With the hunt for Osama Bin Laden still on, the issue of him being alive or dead remains a hotbed topic of interest for both international media news
sources and governments.
The most recent being a Pakistani newspaper that reports:
....that Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden died four months ago in a village near Kandahar of severe illness.
goes on to mention/assert:
According to the newspaper report, Bin Laden was campaigning at Bamiyan, fell very ill, returned to Kandahar where he died and was buried in the Shada
graveyard in the shadow of a mountain.
The controversy continues to surround Osama bin Laden and while US and Pakistan officials have often been quoted by the media as saying that his
mortal status was just a matter of detail, the hunt is still on and the issue remains a topic of great interest for the media and governments alike.
What was striking was this mention:
Osama Bin Laden Is Dead And Buried: Multan Newspaper
Funeral prayers have been said for Osama bin Laden over these years with one reported now by the Ausaf, and another in an Egyptian newspaper Al
Wafd as far back as December 2001.
This is further confounded by a recent Indiadaily.com
Osama Bin Laden dead in Pak occupied Kashmir in the massive earthquake?
Here is the above quoted mention of the 2001 Egyptian newspaper Al Wafd
Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden’s Death
and Funeral 10 days ago
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa’da organization, stating
that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to
The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned
that 30 of al-Qa’da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his
final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the
Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.
In doing a bit of researching, the last above quoted from the current Pakistani article mention bears merit.
In 2002, these were reported:
Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen
TEL AVIV — Osama Bin Laden appears to be dead but his colleagues have decided that Al Qaida and its insurgency campaign against the United States
will continue, Israeli intelligence sources said.
Al Qaida terrorists have launched a new campaign of economic warfare and are targeting shipping in the Middle East, according to U.S. intelligence
The Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December.
They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported.
But Bin Laden's heir has been chosen and his colleagues have decided to resume Al Qaida's offensive against the United States and Western allies,
the sources said.
BIN LADEN "DEAD"
OSAMA bin Laden's supporters yesterday issued a statement on the internet saying he was dead.
The claims, repeated in the Al Bayan newspaper in the United Arab Emirates, said that the al-Qaeda terror chief died when the Americans bombed the
Tora Bora mountains in Afghanistan.
The details tally with dates of bombing missions in which US intelligence experts suspected that he may have been killed.
The newspaper's story, headlined, "Yes, Osama bin Laden is dead but the Jihad will continue until Judgement Day'', quotes witness Shahid Ayan
saying he perished on December 10, 2001.
He said: "On the 24th night of Ramadan (Dec 10) and at a late hour, there were some scary explosions in the place where Osama bin Laden's cave
"The cave was completely erased from the ground and became nothing. This was the only cave of the 15 that was destroyed by an enormous 52ft missile
and there is no doubt that bin Laden died.''
Musharraf: bin Laden likely dead
"I think now, frankly, he is dead for the reason he is a ... kidney patient," Gen. Pervez Musharraf said on Friday in an interview with CNN.
Musharraf said Pakistan knew bin Laden took two dialysis machines into Afghanistan. "One was specifically for his own personal use," he said.
"I don't know if he has been getting all that treatment in Afghanistan now. And the photographs that have been shown of him on television show him
extremely weak. ... I would give the first priority that he is dead and the second priority that he is alive somewhere in Afghanistan."
A 2002 article has an FBI official believing Osama Bin Laden is dead:
FBI Official Thinks Bin Laden Is Dead
(CBS) FBI counterterrorism chief Dale Watson said Wednesday he believes Osama bin Laden is dead — the first time a senior U.S. law enforcement
official has publicly given an opinion on the al Qaeda leader's status.
Watson, speaking at a conference of law enforcement officials at a downtown hotel, quickly emphasized that he had no evidence that bin Laden was dead,
but his comments suggest that the FBI has no intelligence that proves bin Laden is alive.
‘Bin laden dead’
Usama bin Laden is Dead
An internet news site close to al-Qaeda reported the death of Osama Bin Laden, creating a firestorm in radical Islamic circles.
The report was followed by denials and accusations of a fabrication fostered on the site by foreign agents.
The London-based newspaper Asharq al-Awsat reported on Friday that the site Minbar Ahl al-Sunnah wa-al-Jama'ah declared, “We now report that the
al-Qaeda organization has announced the death of Osama Bin Laden.”
Undoubtedly, more articles can be pulled asserting and claiming the death of Osama Bin Laden.
The purpose of this topic was two-fold: it brought to light current assertions and claims of Osama Bin Laden's death in relation to past assertions
and claims, and to discuss the validity of such continued reportings, as well as to discuss the nature of why
there are such claims continually
asserting OBL's death and then reports asserting to the contrary.
* Is he dead?
* How do you know, with any validity, whether he is or is not?
* If Al-Qaeda is working for or controlled by
an intelligence agency(s), as has been previously asserted by the creation of a recent ATS topic,
then why would such an intelligence organization(s) allow or want the news of Al-Qaeda "announcing"
the death of OBL released? Why would a
Al-Qaeda make such an announcement?
* What is the purpose behind the continued assertions and claims of OBL's death?
* What is the purpose behind the continued assertions and claims that OBL is alive, but ever on the run and/or in hiding?
* If OBL was indeed factually dead, would any government admit such; would Bush and Blair, as with other Coalition nations, admit such?
The politics of OIL aside
, why and whom would benefit from Osama Bin Laden being dead or alive? Bear in mind that the $25+ million dollar
reward is for his capture, dead or alive.
Two current topics to consider in your responses:
Does the Al Qaeda exist in reality?
'Al-Qaeda' Controlled By Intelligence Agencies
Past relevant ATS topics related to this current topic:
Bin Ladin. Alive or Dead
U.S. officer says Osama may be sick and is in need of medical help.
Bin Laden Possibily "DEAD"
Bin Laden no longer runs al Qaeda
Where is bin Laden? Author locates him alive, well, planning 'American Hiroshima'
We're better off with Bin Laden at large...?
Musharraf Says Bin Laden Trail Has Gone Cold
[edit on 23-10-2005 by Seekerof]