Firestorm Sparkplug?

Once you kick the fuel into burn by spark, the spark is insignificant.
Once you reach a sufficient spark for ignition more spark is irrelevant.

A spark creates a fireball from the fuel. From spark to flame to ball of fire.

What good would two spark plugs do? How about a dozen?

Why bother with fuel if you have such a darned good spark! The whole idea is laughable. Modern sparkplugs are great because the resist degredation from wear. If they needed more spark, they would have added more long ago.

Originally posted by Cyberbian
Once you kick the fuel into burn by spark, the spark is insignificant.
Once you reach a sufficient spark for ignition more spark is irrelevant.

A spark creates a fireball from the fuel. From spark to flame to ball of fire.

What good would two spark plugs do? How about a dozen?

Why bother with fuel if you have such a darned good spark! The whole idea is laughable. Modern sparkplugs are great because the resist degredation from wear. If they needed more spark, they would have added more long ago.

Learn to read and comprehend please.You are talking nonsense.Your comments
have nothing to do with it and your understanding lacking.

Air/fuel isn't a stoichiometric mix, and turbulence from the flame front during burn helps mix the two. That's not to say there isn't room for improvement in spark plug design... some racier engines use multiple sparks on the ignition stroke. Some engines do, in fact, use two spark plugs.

Having a good spark helps in that you can run higher compression and gain some efficiency there.

Originally posted by Cyberbian
Once you kick the fuel into burn by spark, the spark is insignificant.
Once you reach a sufficient spark for ignition more spark is irrelevant.

A spark creates a fireball from the fuel. From spark to flame to ball of fire.

What good would two spark plugs do? How about a dozen?

Why bother with fuel if you have such a darned good spark! The whole idea is laughable. Modern sparkplugs are great because the resist degredation from wear. If they needed more spark, they would have added more long ago.

This is gibberish

Duncan

reply to post by Cyberbian

I understand what you are saying, once the gas in the cylinder is burning, it's burning, that's it.
Like, you don't light a campfire with a match, if it is already burning.

BUT, I then realized that if more of the fuel was sparked over a wider area, it would be like lighting a campfire on both sides, the weinies would be cooked faster then.

Something I just wondered though, would one then have to use a slower burning higher octane fuel?
That would nullify the need for a super duper spark plug methinks.

reply to post by Toadmund


As i said it is very simple to install and test it ourselves instead of waiting.


i have no intention of arguing with anyone.

winning a argument on the internet is like the special olympics,even if you win you are still a retard.and i really hated having to say that.

Originally posted by nexusmagazine
You should be examining more of the reasons WHY they DON'T WANT this sort of technology around.

Why don't you tell us?

The plugs work as described

Prove it.

The technology is sound, and this is NOT an isolated example of car companies distancing themselves from fuel-saving technology.

If you think car companies are not influenced or controlled by oil companies - then you are living in lulu-land.

Rubbish, you are the one in paranoid "lulu-land"

There are 33 major car companies, and a ton of minor ones, from all over the world. It's one of the most competitive industries on the planet but you are trying to tell me that every single one is controlled by the oil industry? So who controls Volkswagan? Who controls Toyota? Who controls Hyundai or Suzuki or the Shanghai Automotive industry Coporation?

Why do all these companies from every corner of the planet allow themselves to be controlled by oil companies and lose billions of dollars (or go bankrupt) in the process? What's in it for them?

If you think oil companies have ANY REAL interest in reducing oil consumption

Of course they do - it's one of the main selling points for many of the cars in Europe and Asia, and increasingly so in the US. Here in the UK over 50% of new cars sold are diesel - do you think this is because of there smooth quite running or because they are fuel effecient? Car adverts put their MPG in big bold lettering as a selling point and often play on the fact you hardly ever have to fill them up. Have a look round Tokoyo or Paris or Milan - people are driving tiny fuel effecient cars.

Why do we have cars like the Prius or the Smart car? Or how about all the specialist firms that only work on technologies to reduce fuel consumption? Zytek are one such company who are currently working on an ultra-effecient electric car with Smart. Are they controlled by the oil industry too? There a loads of these companies about. How does that work again?

BMW are currently advertising a car that automatically switches the engine on and off when in traffic - specifically to save fuel. The oil industry let this one through again?

Here in London there is a congestion charge based on how polluting your vehicle is - the most polluting are charged at £30 ($60) a day! Electric cars pay nothing. Yet of course the oil industry controls all this.


The simple fact is that anyone who invented a spark plug that does what this one claimed would be a billionaire many times over. The car companies would enter a massive bidding war and the owner of the tech could just about pick a number for the price.


[edit on 11/6/08 by FatherLukeDuke]

Perhaps 'esecallum' can fund or research into having these pirated spark plug copies made or modified as he seems to have the answer to how easy it would be to reproduce patented items. Just get in your car, and go to your local machining shop and have standard plugs modified if that's all there is to it and them let the forum know how YOU made out. THis would be more productive than laying out sarcasm because no one else is doing what you want done

reply to post by Toadmund


I see even though fuel prices are rocketing upwards no one has bothered to test this spark plug which gives a 100 mpg fuel efficiency...

Everyone seems to be content to argue from preconcieved notions.

the scientific method needs to be applied.

[edit on 23-7-2008 by esecallum]

Originally posted by esecallum
reply to post by Toadmund

 

I see even though fuel prices are rocketing upwards no one has bothered to test this spark plug which gives a 100 mpg fuel efficiency...

Everyone seems to be content to argue from preconcieved notions.

the scientific method needs to be applied.

[edit on 23-7-2008 by esecallum]

uh, i tried to find one on ebay, usigng local search engines but no dice.

sorry, maybe it's because i live in europe, maybe it's because their website is down.

www.firestormperformanceproducts.com...

is this the right website?

maybe it's because i just couldn't get one despite searching. at the risk of looking dumb, even if i were willing to pay hefty shipping fees, where can i get one, preferrably in the correct size with compatible thread?

This is a four year old thread, so those spark plugs are dated technology.

If they worked as said "100mpg efficiency", then I'm sure ebay would have them, and more people would be familiar with them.

However, I'm sure there's better technology now in 2008.

reply to post by Long Lance


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Just contact robert krupa and they are not that expensive compared to normal plugs and shipping charges vary but are in the region of $20 when i imported something from the usa to the uk.

he himself stated he was trying to get expressions of interest from companies willing to manufacture/distribute the plugs but hit a brick wall.

has he has patented it it?.

which would means he has spent money on it.

which means he must have got the high performance figures otherwise no point in patenting it.

for pictures what they look like:

www.energeticforum.com...

maybe we could jury rig it ourself for testing it.as explained by rosco below...??

"you can just as fast whip up a replica plug yourself, I think mine took me about 10-15 minutes per plug.

Just use a pair of pliers and bend the "J" strap a few times until it snaps off, then grind down any burrs left behind. Find something suitable to use as the semisphere and cut that down and attach it. I used craft wire as the grounds/earths, which I later learned was Robert Krupa's method too.

Make sure the outside diameter of the semisphere is not too close to the base of the plug or it will just keep shorting through there. This is why I opted to use the longer electrode Champion plug. It was too hard to trim down the semisphere.

There was no "R" on the Champion, it was a V12YX.

The grounds will leak big time if not attached securely to the plug base, so I suggest using a simple hose clamp to attach them. If you don't bother attaching them, the light show is pretty impressive. That light show really says it all with regard to what's happening when adding more earth to the spark.

Prior to fitting the grounds, just bend them around the "neck" of the plug, this will give you a nice even diameter, insert them into the hose clamp that's loosely attached to the base, measure a rough gap betwen the semisphere and the grounds, then tighten the clamp".


the idea is to test it then set up a support group to donate t to journalists,etc..to market it.

i understand this robert krupa is totally useless at marketing like most innovators.

he went thru official channels and got kicked in the teeth.
bosch knocked him back as it would compete with their own plugs and also the plug does not to be replaced as due to the diffuse plasma spread over an area instead of a point spark,wear/tear eliminated...

he never went for any proper marketing/publicity stunts/gimmicks.

if you want a simple stunt get jeremy clarkson to test it.

he is rich already and tests all the low/high end cars on tv...

or get ordinary joe bloggs with a big mouth to stand at a street corner selling them or giving them away...

or HIRE the spark plugs out for a month after taking credit card details and bill them a month later if they have not returned them after 30 days testing...


endless marketing ways...





see the robert krupa site with pictures/videos and explanations and animation below:-

web.archive.org...://www.robertstanley.biz/firestorm.htm



as you can see he is a totally incapable of selling/getting it out there by his own admission/interview.



[edit on 23-7-2008 by esecallum]

I haven't tried these new plugs yet, but I will as soon as I can afford the price. One thing I know is the more fire/plasma in the cylinder at the time of compression, the more fuel burned, and the more power transfered to the flywheel. Know this too, I don't care how powerful the plug is, if the ignition coil(s) and primary wires are not capable of getting spark to the plug....well, you see where I'm going. People are always coming up with new ideas, especially those who love cars. Let's not decide this spark plug is no good before the fat lady sings. As I said in another post, some 40,000 volts are required to properly burn all that fuel in the chamber. Any less, you get an incomplete burn and bad mileage, plus a clogged converter and a terrible smell after awhile.

reply to post by autowrench



No

his fuel mixture is lean.

temperature is LOWER.

see his archieved website for full explanation.

thanks, so i guess the best way to go will be to use electric welding and fine motor skills. just as i expected, btw.

ironically, the main reason why this thing was probably ignored and shunned is probably its longetivity.

reply to post by Long Lance


it is not about prior conditioning or expectation.

it's about the scientific method.

observe,

record/measure,

report.


something sadly lacking nowadays.

reply to post by esecallum


Agreed, we need an independent analysis done on these plugs to know if there is any actual improvement.

I don't currently have a gasoline burning engine to test with... any takers?

Another reason that they probably aren't being sold yet is that Krupa claimed that when he sprayed the plug with an air hose, the plug ignited the water vapor coming out of the hose. So it may be possible to run cars off of water using this plug, big oil wouldn't like that.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Another reason that they probably aren't being sold yet is that Krupa claimed that when he sprayed the plug with an air hose, the plug ignited the water vapor coming out of the hose. So it may be possible to run cars off of water using this plug, big oil wouldn't like that.

What about small oil, will they be up for it?

Seriously, do you believe ever idiot claim made on the internet? No? Why believe this one?

The firestorm plug cannot be as simple as a plug with a dome central electrode and double wire outer electrodes. There is no way this simple physical configuration would produce a electrical spark brighter than a normal spark plug shown in those video clips.