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Originally posted by Dallas
I had thought US forces were welcomed and are building a huge base in Qatar and when done will leave Saudi Arabia altogether. If that is true they can remain in the Gulf indefinately. So leaving Iraq's land doesn't put US Forces outside the area really.
If it is true that the insurgents are there for the US soldiers, then doesn't it fellow that the fewer soldiers, the fewer insurgent's?
Originally posted by WestPoint23
If it is true that the insurgents are there for the US soldiers, then doesn't it fellow that the fewer soldiers, the fewer insurgent's?
You really think that if the US soldiers reduce their numbers that the Insurgents and terrorists are going to pack their bags and go home? I’m sorry but I think that is really naive and foolish. The Insurgents want to control Iraq and make it another Afghanistan where they can do what they want undisturbed.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
By the way even when Iraq is independant and can function on its own the US will probably have bases in it just like we do in England, Germany, Japan, South Korea and so on, so what's the big deal?
Please refrain from calling me names and I promise to refrain from doing the same? Deal
But by removing the troops there you let what you say you want happen. You let the Iraqi's deal with them...
...you allow the Iraqi people to excersize their freedom and stand on their own two feet while at the same time lessening the reasons for the anamosity that is driving this thing...
Hmmm...
Vietnam?
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Please refrain from calling me names and I promise to refrain from doing the same? Deal
I most certainly will, but I did not call you an names. I was talking about your assumption not you.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
But by removing the troops there you let what you say you want happen. You let the Iraqi's deal with them...
...you allow the Iraqi people to excersize their freedom and stand on their own two feet while at the same time lessening the reasons for the anamosity that is driving this thing...
We are, the number of Iraqi Army personnel has increased drastically from last year to this year. Most of the new Iraqi army brigades are not yet bale to operate totally independent of US Forces but a small number are. So as more Iraqi Army units are able to take control for the US then our troop numbers go down. But they are not yet ready to take control for most of Iraq. One must crawl before he can walk.
As long as American forces are there, the catalyst is there. Remove the catalyst and you remove the reaction.
Or are you saying that the insurgency is not there because of the American envolvement?
I see, well then, let me give you another one - refrain from saying my assumptions are naive, for that is the same as saying my thinking is naive.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Come on, spare me the press releases. The facts are that the US has no interest in leaving if it did it would.
So say you, the US would have left if the Iraqi's were able to develop their forces up to par with the US forces in two years. Quite a daunting task don't you think? And that's not a press release its reality.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
As long as American forces are there, the catalyst is there. Remove the catalyst and you remove the reaction.
Or are you saying that the insurgency is not there because of the American envolvement?
They will not leave if the US leaves, they will remain there until what they want is accomplished. And what they want in my opinion is a Islamic theocracy in Iraq where they have total control and rule. They do not want a democracy in the middle east. Also the US may be the excuse of why they are in Iraq but not the reason.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
I see, well then, let me give you another one - refrain from saying my assumptions are naive, for that is the same as saying my thinking is naive.
If you see it that way, they of course I will refrain form further comments.
Originally posted by Passer By
West point, IMO you are missing the forrest for the tree's. The Iraqi wouldn't need to match the US, because those that are there causing trouble are causing trouble because the US is there. Remove the US, and the crime that the Iraqi forces will have to deal with will be back to a normal level(At least normal for the middle east), they wouldn't have to deal with a war zone.
The reality is the problem people are there from all over the place(Not just Iraq) because the US is there - that is the reality of it. Remove the US, and you and those that are there for the US - those insurgent non-Iraqi's will leave as well. Why? Because they are not Iraqi, unless you are saying the majority of them are Iraqi - in which case shouldn't you leave, that is unless you are saying it is an "invasion" and not a "liberation"?