The Obligation of a Freemason

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posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Conspicuouz


that's one rad brother




Rad? More like a fool.

Doesn't seem like he's too happy to be a mason. Maybe he's realizing how depressing and wrong it is to be blindfolded and on your knees while you utter some "philosophical" nonsense



Originally posted by sebatwerk
We have several hadnshakes, signs and passwords which we DO indeed keep secret.


This fact alone speaks volumes. Who would want to gain knowledge and enlightenment through secrecy?

The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
John F. Kennedy


YES, REPUGNANT INDEED MR. PRESIDENT!

[edit on 16-8-2005 by eudaimonia]




posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia
Rad? More like a fool.


And this coming from... nevermind...


Doesn't seem like he's too happy to be a mason. Maybe he's realizing how depressing and wrong it is to be blindfolded and on your knees while you utter some "philosophical" nonsense


Maybe he just read one of your posts and is as disgusted with them as I am...


Who would want to gain knowledge and enlightenment through secrecy?


Here's some folks...

Here's some more...

What is repugnant is your pathetic attempts to slander and denigrate that which you don't understand, and have no desire to understand.

That is the very epitome of trollish behavior...




posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
Maybe he just read one of your posts and is as disgusted with them as I am...


You make me giggle.





Here's some folks...

Here's some more...



Woooooooooow! I am genuinely impressed. 99% of them come from the political, religious, and entertainment fields. and 99% of them of whom I don't even KNOW!

Now I know why this country is the way it is





What is repugnant is your pathetic attempts to slander and denigrate that which you don't understand, and have no desire to understand.

That is the very epitome of trollish behavior...




You had me on the floor laughing. Great pic.


By the way, I'm proud of the fact that I CHOOSE to NOT understand any thing that is a part of Secret Societies.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia
By the way, I'm proud of the fact that I CHOOSE to NOT understand any thing that is a part of Secret Societies.


Then WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?!?!

You are proud of the fact that you choose to be ignorant. Brilliant. Really.



[edit on 8/16/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
Then WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?!?!


To share my concerns and share what I believe is right. I think it's important for others to be aware that Secret Societies serves no good purpose whatsoever.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia
To share my concerns and share what I believe is right. I think it's important for others to be aware that Secret Societies serves no good purpose whatsoever.


How can you say that when you admit that you don't understand, and have no desire to understand?! How can you say it serves no purpose when you don't understand it?

You're making NO sense at all.

[edit on 8/16/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia
To share my concerns and share what I believe is right. I think it's important for others to be aware that Secret Societies serves no good purpose whatsoever.


How can you even have an opinion when you readily admit you are ignorant about the subject?!? HOW do you take yourself seriously?!?

You're a pathetic excuse for a troll. I bope the mods have a field day with you.




[edit on 16-8-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk
How can you even have an opinion when you readily admit you are ignorant about the subject?!? HOW do you take yourself seriously?!?


The subject of a secret society?

Sorry, you must be mistaken, I'm not thinking about joining such filth.


You're a pathetic excuse for a troll. I bope the mods have a field day with you.



A field day with me because I'm asking questions and sparking a controversial subject?

Riiight.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by eudaimonia
To share my concerns and share what I believe is right. I think it's important for others to be aware that Secret Societies serves no good purpose whatsoever.


How can you say that when you admit that you don't understand, and have no desire to understand?! How can you say it serves no purpose when you don't understand it?



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 12:40 AM
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Strangely he looks like my cousin, who wasn't happy taking over three weeks to do what he had to do, but he would never wear that hat, he prefers red.

Anyways maybe it is just around here they don't have no stupid handshakes since they know who they are. Of course not your basic FM lodge either since it is mainly family, friends of family, and the other 5 families who founded it in 1927.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 01:09 AM
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eudaimonia

Thanks for taking the time to post to this thread.


... I'm asking questions and sparking a controversial subject?


Excellent. That's what it's all about. Now what are your questions?



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Anyways maybe it is just around here they don't have no stupid handshakes since they know who they are. Of course not your basic FM lodge either since it is mainly family, friends of family, and the other 5 families who founded it in 1927.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but what you are describing is not freemasonry. Quite apart from the fact that there are masonic handshakes, it is not comprised of just 5 families and their friends, and it wasn't started in 1927, more like 1717 (formally).

There are groups around who call themselves freemasons but aren't. Perhaps you are referring to one of these?



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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Sebatwerk
So you posted false information when TC asked you for modes of recognition?

Or did you break the oath and reveal some of the real secrets for somebody outside the circle?

When you posted the link to the modes of recognition in another thread (that was you, right, or am I mis-remembering?) it had to have been one of the above, either the ATS T&C were broken, or your oath to the fraternity was broken.

Which is it I wonder?

The point of all this is that the modes of recognition are hardly a secret for anyone with internet access, so why bother maintaining secrecy? If that's the only secret, and it's not a secret anymore, why not abandon secrecy and all the socio-political baggage that comes with it?

Of course, masonry accepts the inherent secrecy in us all, the secrecy of our true selves. It's one of the founding principles if I'm not mistaken, that no brother knows the true soul of another, and as such, should not judge them.

It seems that there are a lot of contradictions in the obligations of Masons, contradictions that can partly be resolved by renouncing secrecy.

Edit: Indeed it was you that posted that link to the modes of recognition. So was it true or false information you revealed? Is it a case like the MacGyver episodes where he made bombs, minus one critical ingredient? That wouldn't necessarily be false information, and thus, no T&C violation. It would just be incomplete information.

I'm really curious now though, so please don't keep me in suspense.


[edit on 17-8-2005 by WyrdeOne]



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 01:51 AM
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Trinity I meant the specific lodge was built in 1927, not that FM was created in 1927. They follow Mason rules and all that, teach the symbolism, the history, past members, so forth. Sorry for the confusion on that.

BTW how did that guy get his picture taken? The Lodge I know of does not allow cameras inside...

[edit on 17-8-2005 by James the Lesser]



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia


The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
John F. Kennedy


YES, REPUGNANT INDEED MR. PRESIDENT!


Was this before or after he and Bobby had Marilyn escorted out of the back door of the White House by the Secret Service?

[edit on 8/17/2005 by tylerdjp]



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Trinity I meant the specific lodge was built in 1927, not that FM was created in 1927. They follow Mason rules and all that, teach the symbolism, the history, past members, so forth. Sorry for the confusion on that.

No problem. U2U me the lodge name, number and State I should be able to tell you something about it.

BTW how did that guy get his picture taken? The Lodge I know of does not allow cameras inside...
It may not have been taken inside the temple. Anyway, different jurisdictions have different rules... did you watch the video I posted at the top of the thread?



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 04:10 AM
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Hi WyrdeOne

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
The point of all this is that the modes of recognition are hardly a secret for anyone with internet access, so why bother maintaining secrecy? If that's the only secret, and it's not a secret anymore, why not abandon secrecy and all the socio-political baggage that comes with it?

Different people appear to mean different things when they say 'secrecy'. What do you mean by that.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by tylerdjp

Originally posted by eudaimonia


The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
John F. Kennedy


YES, REPUGNANT INDEED MR. PRESIDENT!


Was this before or after he and Bobby had Marilyn escorted out of the back door of the White House by the Secret Service?


Bwahahahaha!



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
So you posted false information when TC asked you for modes of recognition?

Or did you break the oath and reveal some of the real secrets for somebody outside the circle?

When you posted the link to the modes of recognition in another thread (that was you, right, or am I mis-remembering?) it had to have been one of the above, either the ATS T&C were broken, or your oath to the fraternity was broken.

Which is it I wonder?


All I did was post a link to an expose of Freemasonry's modes of recognition. Those images were actually from a book called "Duncan's Masonic Ritual" which is sold in bookstores. Normally I wouldn't have done that, but I had to make a point to TC because I feel that he is above the ignorance he was displaying in that thread.

In any case, the information in that expose is incomplete. Freemasonry's signs and grips are actions and involve movement, which the images are unable to represent. Because of this, one would never be able to learn the modes of recognition simply from that expose. maybe it was done on purpose?

I neither violated the T&C's of ATS, nor my obligation as a Freemason.





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