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posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 09:10 AM
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THE VARGINHA CASE : The Brazilian Roswell?
An In-Depth Case Analysis

NOTE: This is a LONG post….

This is a very interesting case. Though it has often been compared to such cases as Roswell, the Varginha case is largely built upon only eyewitness accounts, and bolstered by some facts, which corroborate those accounts. However, these accounts are compelling, and taken as a whole, they are not to be dismissed lightly. In this post, I hope to examine both the facts and witness accounts together, to faithfully represent what happened here, and provide a comprehensive look at the case. This post builds upon the work of many, many researchers, whom I cannot even hope to all include here (but I’ll use original links where possible, to ensure proper credit), but any credit largely goes to them.

PERSONAL DISCLAIMER: Personally, I am still very on the fence with this story. Simply put, Brazil is a UFO hot spot, and a veritable tourist attraction for UFO nuts as well as UFOlogists. I’m still unsure as to how much the government “cooperation” with UFOlogists is legit, and how much is to increase tourism. Also, many of the witnesses have been anonymous, so that too is worrisome. While Varginha is a fascinating case, it is largely on witness testimony. I’m simply going to spell out what I’ve learned about the case, and let all make up their own minds on this one.

The story came to international attention when published in the Wall Street Journal, on July 12, 1996:



VARGINHA, Brazil -- The incident that made this town a hot spot in the intergalactic search for intelligent life started quite innocently. On a Saturday afternoon stroll in January, a trio of young women decided to take a shortcut home through a vacant lot. In a clump of weeds, the three said, they encountered a creature like nothing they had seen before.
"It wasn't a man or an animal -- it was something different," said one of the women, Katia Andrade. The being had oily, brown skin and rubbery limbs, she said. Three rounded protrusions sprouted from its oversized head. Standing out in a different way was the creature's odor: One ghastly whiff weakened the knees. As for the stranger's demeanor, the women unanimously, if tactlessly, agreed: It was "muddle-headed." When the creature wagged its big noggin dizzily in their direction, the three women ran off.

www.anomalies.net...

To really examine the case, I’ll proceed with a timeline of events. Some of these events are from named witnesses, some are from those wishing to be anonymous (or claimed by the investigators as anonymous), and some are facts.

Midnight, January 20, 1996 – NORAD warning of detected UFO to CINDACTA

NORAD (North American Air Defense Command) contacts their Brazilian counterpart, the CINDACTA (Centro Integrado de Defesa Aerea e Controle de Trafego Aereo or Integrated Center for Air Defense and Air Traffic Control). NORAD warns of an Unidentified Flying Object they detected coming down over the state of Minas Gerais.

(This is allegedly leaked by an unidentified member of the Brazilian Air Force, and an employee of the radar facility at Air Force Base VI Comar, according to UFOlogists John Carpenter and Ricardo Varela Correa. The witnesses did not release their names, and I could find no independent confirmation of this.)


UFOlogist, former MUFON member, John Carpenter (not the Hollywood director)
A pic of Varela was not available


Map showing location in Brazil for reference


Regional map, defining the area a little better


The town of Varginha


Frame of an alleged UFO video taken in Varghina on January 20, 1996. I’m still trying to locate the actual video, as this particular link is busted. (I’ve contacted the webmaster for it).
EDIT: See Musclor's links and cautions below....

1:14 AM, January 20 – Sighting

Eurico de Freitas, was awakened by the sounds of his cattle. He glanced at the alarm clock, hence the exact time.



Oralina opened the window and saw the cattle were very agitated and stampeding all over the pasture three hundred to four hundred feet away. Then she saw a cigar-shaped object just above the cattle. There was no moon but the craft gave off a faint light.

Oralina called out to her husband, Eurico, forty, and he rushed to the _ “My God!” he cried. “There’s a submarine above my pasture.”

They could see gray smoke or vapor coming out of the back as it moved slowly, in a sort of rocking motion, only fifteen to twenty feet above the ground.

Neither Eurico nor Oralina ventured outside, but stood at the window watching as the object took forty five minutes to pass ever so slowly out of sight over a ridge about two thousand feet away, heading in the direction of Varginha.

They had the impression that it was having difficulties of some kind because of the very slow way it was moving. If the UFO was making any sound, the bellowing of the cows drowned it out.

All this time the cattle remained panicky and frightened but the couple’s four dogs, although awake, showed no reaction. Eurico and Oralina’s four children, aged twelve to twenty, slept through it all.

Ubirajara learned about the incident six days later. The couple, who oversee the farm, told the owner what happened. He in turn told a friend of Ubirajara’s who passed the story on to him.

www.bobpratt.org...

1:30 AM – Early AM, January 20 – UFO Crash/Retrieval

There isn’t much to go on about this, as the witness didn’t go on record with a name, but I did want to mention it, as it’s in most timelines of the events. Just stressing that I could not find much more on this witness….only a mention in the magazine.



An American civilian was present when the cigar-shaped UFO was loaded aboard a flatbed truck in the early morning of January 20 - a saturday, according to Brazil's UFO Magazine.

ufologie.net...

8 AM, January 20 – Alien Sightings



When emergency departments receive a call that someone has seen a "strange creature," usually a good laugh is had by all. At first, that is exactly what happened at a Varginha, Brazil Fire Department on the morning of January 20, 1996. This case of the unknown began early that morning with a frantic phone call stating that a "strange creature" had been seen in the area of Jardim Andere. Thinking that the reporter was probably someone who was drunk, or been up too long partying, this first call was in the process of being reluctantly responded to when a second call came in stating the same thing. The Fire Department personnel in Brazil are part of the Military, and must respond to all calls. What could this be, a couple of pranksters perpetuating a hoax? If so, the group was growing, as several more calls came in also reporting this unusual monster. Firemen followed the civilians' instructions to the site.

ufocasebook.com...

The fire department denied involvement officially. Captain Alvarenga is the one responding to most UFOlogists who ask about it.



Mr. Adilson Usier, director of Regional Hospital, who affirmed that the Varginha Fire Department had participated in the corpse transport. Captain Alvarenga, then, said it was a mistake of Mr. Usier.

www.kajen.com...

9 AM, January 20 – Alien Captured?/Shot?

Perhaps one of the more sensational events, witnesses describe that a being was sighted, then captured.



On January 20, Military forces captured two extraterrestrial creatures still alive in Brazil. the capture occurred in neighboring areas of city of Varginha, State of Minas Gerais, Central Brazil. The fact is to be considered one of the most significant ever registered in this country and in the entire world. Military authorities are keeping secret all details of the operation, but some information has already leaked to the UFO community due to the investigative job of Dr., Ubiraja Franco Rodrigues and Vitorio Paccaccini who lives nearby and recognized as serious and dedicated researchers.




In trying to find out what the military were doing, Rodrigues and Pacaccini came to meet a few soldiers and sergeants. One of them decided to talk secretly about their mission, in a confidential taped interview. This Sergeant confirmed that, about 9:00 AM, January 20. the Fire Department of Varginha was required to capture a strange animal in the area. When four fireman arrived in a truck in the place, they noticed that it was not any strange animal at all, and reported the fact to the Army Sergeant School Commander in neighboring city of Tres Coracoes (about 10 miles east of Varginha)


The military school



General Sergio Coelho Lima - Commandant

Army truck was sent to the place and both forces captured the creature using nets and equipment regularly used to capture wild animals. The ET was placed till alive in a box that was then covered by resistant fabric. The box was placed on top of the truck, the vehicle headed to the Army Sergeant School and all personnel involved was ordered not to talk about it with anyone else "It was a Secret Operation" told them the lieutenant-colonel Wanderley, who commanded the operation. After such unusual, confidential report a few other military decided to come forward and speak about the captures as long as their identities were totally kept secret.

press release sent out by well known Brazilian UFO Researcher A. Gevaerd
www.v-j-enterprises.com...

[img]http://www.ufoevidence.org/Photographs/Researchers/Thumbs/AJGevaerd.jpg[img]
A. J. Gevaerd
Credentials/Bio: www.ufoevidence.org...



Images of the woods in the area of alleged capture.

There are also statements (supposedly from a military source, again unnamed), that state a farmer (not the ones mentioned previously) allegedly shot one of the creatures, crawling out from the wreckage.



At the same time as the firemen capture the first seen EBE, more witnesses observed strange movements. A lawyer in Varginha and former military [Gazrok-I’ve only been able to identify this man as “J. C.”] witnessed two planes that he recognized as F-5's, at very low altitude. As a former military man he noticed the planes were not in natural formation but in attack formation. He also witnessed army vehicles near the woods (close to where the firemen captured the EBE). He was passing there and saw a truck carrying about seven soldiers in green campaign uniforms (camouflaged) and some of them in plain clothes.

There is even more witnesses to their activity. A friend of this witness was in another position and says that he heard three shots and that the soldiers came back from the woods with two campaign sacks. One motionless and one moving. Another source has come forward and revealed that one of the soldiers shot one EBE three times in the chest and the creature died instantaneously. The gun would be a FAL-type (FAL - Fuzil Automatico Leve, or Light Automatic Rifle). The details around this are still being investigated by researcher Claudeir Covo. The military and fire department operation was held very quiet and smooth and both fire brigade and military did withdraw around 10:30-11:00 AM, along with the second military operation (which fired three shots). The net-caught-EBE is said to have been moved directly to the Escola de Sargento das Armas (ESA) - a military school in the town of Tres Coracoes, 25 kilometers from Varginha. The next following days a summerized number of 6 living EBE's and two dead was locked up at the ESA-base. Some curious civilians combed the park as the military/S-2 personal had left in their trucks, but found nothing. There is also information of a later S-2 (Brazilian Army secret service) operation at aproximately 7:00-8:00 PM on January 20, where an unnumbered of EBE's was caught in the park.

ufologie.net...

1:30 PM, January 20 – Secret Agents?



The lawyer who made the observation around 10:30 AM above says that he noticed another search team arriving at 1:30 PM stopping at the opposite side of an earthwork shortcut, as he was leaving his office. Another witness speak of a S-2 search-team in civilian clothes (haven't been able to find out how they was identified as S-2 men) around 1:30-2:30 PM in the same area. These two reports are probably of the same operation. They are believed to have found nothing.

ufologie.net...

3:30 PM, January 20 – Another Sighting/Aliens taken to Hospitals?

This is the sighting that most comes to mind regarding this case, the tale of the three girls, as cited in the Wall Street Journal.


Witnesses, Liliane da Silva, (then 16), her sister Valquira (then 14), and a friend Katia Xavier (then 22).



On the afternoon of January 20, about 3.30 PM local time, 3 young girls named Liliane, Valquiria and Katia observed a strange creature in a field of small bushes a few blocks from where they live. It was Saturday and they were coming back from their jobs when, crossing an empty area their attention was attracted by a strange being a few meters away. The ET was kneeling and looked like it was hurt, suffering some sort of pain. No UFO was ever seen. The girls observed it for a few minutes and run away, afraid that they had just encountered the devil....




Artist sketches/renderings based on descriptions

The three girls were extensively interrogated by above mentioned researchers, leaving no doubt whatsoever about what happened. Very simple kids, they described the ET's as being a dark brown creature, with a small body of 4 - 5 feet in height, no hair at all, big brown head, small neck. It also seemed to have some greasy, dark oil on its skin. A strange odor was noticed by the mother of the girls, when she went to the site. The head of the creature had 2 big red eyes, no pupils, very small mouth and nose and - what is interesting - 3 protuberances in the head. The girls described such protuberances as horns.

["It was squatting, with the long arms between its legs", recalls the girl. "At first I saw the eyes, enormous and red." Frightened, Liliane turned her back to the creature, while her sister Valquiria and her friend Katia continued to observe. "It was not animal or human, it was a horrible thing", says Katia. "It looked dumb, didn't make any noise", adds Valquiria. The creature, however, appeared to move slightly with the head and the three girls run away. (ufologie.net...)]



Where they saw the being…

Following the leads, researcher Rodrigues and Pacaccini started making inquiries everywhere in the town of Varginha, in order to know if anybody else had seen the same creature. They found several other people who also observed the ET's in the same location and maybe other ET's in different locations. While conducting their own investigations, both discovered that different witnesses has seen army trucks and other military vehicle and personnel that very morning of that day, a few blocks from the place the girls saw the ET's.

press release sent out by well known Brazilian UFO Researcher A. Gevaerd
www.v-j-enterprises.com...

Evening, January 20 – Dead Aliens Moved?



All confirmed, on taped interviews, that a second creature (possibly the same one seen by the girls that afternoon) was captured on the night of January 20, by personnel from the Army and the Fire Department. Details of such operation is fully known. This creature identical to the first one, was taken to the Regional General Hospital of Varginha that same night, stayed there for a few hours and then was transferred to a better equipped facility, the Humanitas Hospital.


Humanitas Hospital

A few nurses and personnel from Regional General Hospital had confirmed some facts and they were all suppressed. Individuals who had contacts with the second creature were advised to avoid press and UFO Researchers and not to talk about it with anyone, not ever their families or relations. AT the Humanities Hospital the second creature was kept at least for 2 days and on the second night on January 22nd a huge military operation took place to remove the creature already dead.



ON SUNDAY, JANUARY 21st , A STRANGE MOVEMENT OCCURRED AT HOSPITAL REGIONAL. THE FACT INVOLVED PHYSICIANS COMING FROM OUT OF VARGINHA, THE MILITARY POLICE AND ARMY VEHICLES. However, she didn’t speak a word about the Fire Department. (...) ONE OF THE HOSPITAL SECTIONS, according to our source, WAS CLOSED FOR SOME HOURS, IN ORDER TO AVOID THE ACCESS OF EMPLOYEES, PATIENTS AND VISITORS. She also said that, on Monday, January 22nd, she was called, together with other employees, for a MEETING AT THE DIRECTOR'S ROOM. According to her testimony, the director said that all that movement should be ignored, because "it was just a training for the doctors and military personnel".

www.mnmufon.org...

Interviews with some of the military who participated in this new operation, removing the creature from the Humanitas Hospital, declared that 3 Army trucks were used, each one driven by 2 different soldiers. It is believed that 3 trucks were used to remove only one body in order to avoid the soldiers to know in which truck would it be transported. The drivers and their follows couldn't see the details of the operations, as they were kept outside the hospital area. Military personnel from the Army Internal Intelligence (called "S-2" in Brazil and extremely violent and repressive) were responsible for getting the corpse from the interior of the hospital, placing it in a box and then in one of the trucks.

[Gazrok: Later revelation below]


Lt. Col. Olimpio Wanderley Santos commanded the convoy, accompanied by two officers, Captain Ramirez and Lieutenant Tiberio, plus Sergeant Pedrosa from S-2, brazilian military intelligence. Corporal Cirilo and Sergeant Pedrosa drove the middle truck with the aliens inside. The other trucks were driven by Private Vassalo and Private De Mello. Also a Jeep (Engesa type) was part of the convoy


All 3 trucks then were taken to a military facility in Campinas, State of Sao Paulo, about 200 miles from Varginha, in the middle of the night. There, the corpse was removed to the University of Campinas , one of the best institutions in the country. It is believed - and we already have detailed information to be soon released that the ET body was autopsied by Dr. Badan Palhares, worldwide acclaimed as one of the best professionals in that area alive (he was the one who autopsied German Nazi Mengele, about ten years ago) Palhares, as well as any other authority involved, denied he was involved in any such operations.

press release sent out by well known Brazilian UFO Researcher A. Gevaerd
www.v-j-enterprises.com...

11 AM, February 15, 1996 – Death of the Policeman



One of the most serious facts of the “Varginha case” – and one of the most appalling – was the death, on February 15, 1996, of Corporal Marco Eli Chereze, who was then aged 23. As we know, he was part of the secret service of the Military Police (P2) which participated in the capture of the second creature in the night of January 20, 1996. The news of his death spread very fast, during the first months of the investigations, according to other sources, which revealed that a policeman had died because of a generalized infection after having been in contact with the ET. Faced with the gravity of the situation, the subject was treated with extreme caution by the investigators concerned with the case, while the lawyer, and consultant to the UFO review - Ubirajara Franco Rodrigues – was still searching for new informations.

www.casovarginha.com.br...


Officer Marco Eli Chereze


Dr. Furtado, physician trying to treat Chereze.



“Although all the tests and exams possibles were applied in the search of a diagnosis, he could not be saved in time”, was to declare the superintendant in charge of the inquiry, in the course of his deposition before the judge of the “COMARCA”. It was just discovered that the physicians who took care of Chereze at the time did not have the faintest idea of how to fight the illness which was striking him down. After the decease of the boy had been unveiled before the press present at the meeting of January 1997, the commander of the Military Police of the state of Minas Merais denied the facts immediately, including the presence of Chereze during that night of january 20. But, in order to protect such an absurd story, they invented an even more crude one.

The family of Marco Eli Chereze confirmed that he was indeed on duty that night. Furthermore, he did not die alone because of his professional activities after the contact with an alien, but the creature he had captured died also after that contact, and much faster than Chereze. “It seems clear that the death of the policeman has become the less controlable and the most dangerous piece of the process of dissimulation imposed by the military of ESA and the brazilian Army”, has acknowledged Marco Petit, co-editor of the magazine UFO, who participated actively in the inquiry.

www.casovarginha.com.br... (large interview at this site, medical details)

9 PM, April 21, 1996 – A Later Sighting


Mrs. Clepf



On April 21st 1996, at 9 p.m., Mrs. Therezinha Gallo Clepf, 67, a housewife, sighted a strange creature at Paiquerê Restaurant, which lies in the Zoo-Botanical Woods of Varginha (MG), where she lives. We've been in her house so as to interview her : "I was in a party in the zoo restaurant and I went out to smoke a cigarette in the porch, (...) and saw the creature in the porch's parapet, only from the neck upwards". She affirmed for sure that it wasn't any zoo animal.

Mrs. Therezinha became very frightened, and freezed, staying this way for about five minutes, looking all the time to the creature, without making any gesture. (...)

GOLDEN HELMET - According to her story, the difference between the creature she saw and the one observed by the girls was the helmet she saw covering the creature's head, which stopped her (from) seeing the ears and horns that probably it should have (based on the girls' description). The rest was similar : the being had also dark brown skin, bright and oily, a rounded face, red eyes, and didn't have cheeks, nor beard, mustache or nose, and, on the lips position, it had only a cut.
(...) Mrs. Therezinha was close to the creature, about four meters long, according to her. Still today, almost two months after the incident, she is afraid of sighting the alien again. (...)

UFO Magazine
www.kajen.com...

End of April, 1996 – Deaths at the Zoo?



Some days after Mrs. Therezinha's sighting of the creature outside the zoo-restaurant, five animals were found dead in the place. The zoo biologist, Dr. Leila Cabral, found traces of some toxic substance in one of the animals. The cause of death to the rest is still unknown and unexplained.

ufologie.net... (note, the year is incorrect on this site’s timeline for some reason, for all entries.)

May, 1996 – Threats?

The mother of the witnesses (two of the three girls), talks about an MIB-like encounter after the event…



Luisa Helena da Silva : " I cannot say who are these people who tried to bribe me, because I 've never seen them and I don't know them either. But I know that, on a Monday, about two weeks ago, they came here at 10 p.m. . I don't know why they came in the evening, I think it was in order to nobody recognize them in the street. I don't use to receive visits this time of the day. They were four men, all using dark sneakers and suits. Two of them apparently had 40 years old and the others were youngers. Two of them were white and two were brown. One of the whites was too white, it seemed to be a russian. They didn't seem to be military. I thought, at that moment, that it could be police people, but I don't think so. What I know is that these men, for sure, are not from Varginha. But two of them had the accent of the Southern Minas region."

BRIBERY ATTEMPT FAILS - " (...) Only me and three of my daughters were at home : Liliane, Valquíria and Fernanda, the younger, who was already sleeping. They clapped hands in front of the gate. Valquíria went to attend and said that there were four men outside. (...) While I was in my bedroom changing my clothes, they went into my house, didn't wait to see if they could or not, they came and entered, invading my house. They spoke my name, as if they already knew me, saying that they want to "chat" with me and with the girls about the ET they have seen. They said that that time was the only time they could be here and asked me to lock the gate because it was a private conversation and I couldn't receive any visit. I've got afraid but, anyway, Valquíria went outside to lock the gate."

" (...) I asked if Ubirajara have sent them here. One of them said that they had nothing to do with Ubirajara and that I should forget him. After they have heard the girls, I asked them who they were, they told me that it wasn't of my business. They asked my daughters what were their dreams, which was my job, how much was my salary, where my husband worked and if the house was mine. They wanted to know which was my major concern and if the girls were working. (...)"

" If I gave my word that I wouldn't speak anything about their visit - specially to Ubirajara and to Pacaccini - they would make an excellent proposal to me. They said they were "the gold mine that we have never thought to have". They said they knew I was poor. (...) They made an offer to me, saying it was irresistible, that they didn't wanna buy me, but that this help was millionaire. "

"(...) I have no quietness anymore, because after the interview I gave to "Fantástico", I don't know what can happens. (...) As I was afraid, I gave them my word. They said they wanted me to come with my daughters, and nobody else, to talk in a TV station, not at that little local station, but in a bigger station outside of Varginha. I should belie everything, say the girls had never seen anything, and some more things I would have to rehearse with them. (...) They said they would pay cash. (...) ".

" I became so puzzled that I didn't ask how much was it. They only said that I could buy a house, pay my debts and stop working as a maid. I became so nervous and worried ... I asked if there wasn't a phone number I could call another day to give the answer. I said I had to think. They didn't accept and said they would come back. (...) ".

www.kajen.com...

June 16, 1996 – TV Show Revelations/Aliens given to the US?



The TV show "Programa de Domingo" identified the men involved in the three-truck convoy that transferred the aliens to Campinas, about 200 miles in distance, on January 23 at 4:00 AM. According to the broadcast, Lt. Col. Olimpio Wanderley Santos commanded the convoy, accompanied by two officers, Captain Ramirez and Lieutenant Tiberio, plus Sergeant Pedrosa from S-2, brazilian military intelligence. Corporal Cirilo and Sergeant Pedrosa drove the middle truck with the aliens inside. The other trucks were driven by Private Vassalo and Private De Mello. Also a Jeep (Engesa type) was part of the convoy. And from the Army Cadets Prep. School where the convoy stayed for 9 hours, meanwhile the dead alien was taken to the University of Campinas , where the famous physician Dr. Fortunato Badan Palhares (he was the one who autopsied German Nazi Mengele, about ten years ago) did an autopsy of the dead EBE. Palhares, as well as another authority involved, denies any such operation. But personal from the University has been seen in the Jardim Andere park collecting soil and vegetation samples from where one of the EBEs was reported to have been caught. And researcher Eduardo Mondini came up with this:

"We managed to contact IML (Instituto Medico Legal - Institute of Legal Medicine) and the Army's headquarters in Campinas, but both authorities deny the exhumation. However, we found a military from Campinas who allegedly saw a document over his commander's desk, proving the E.T. had been in Campinas. We got with an employee of IML the information that on January 20-26 there had been military movement inside IML, in the Army's private drawers, in order to get a body in or out there."

There is also information of an autopsy made at the Humanitas hospital in Varginha by the same - Dr. Fortunato Badan Palhares, and Dr. Coradin Nesve. And that the dead alien later was taken to the Amarais Cemetery near the University of Campinas, where it was frozen for shipment. But probably it is the same autopsy made at Campinas University and the body later frozen, also in Campinas.

At 9:00 PM, the 6 living EBEs were driven to Campinas airport where they were put aboard a twin-engined EMB Buffalo owned by the Forca Aerea Brasileira (Brazilian Air Force) and flown to Sao Paulo, where they changed plane to a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane. THE ALIENS WERE THEN MARCHED ABOARD THE C-17. And according to sources in the Sao Paulo tower, the C-17's destination was Albrook Air Force base in Panama. And there the trail disappears... If the two dead aliens were aboard, we don't know. But researcher Claudeir Covo says that he has been given independent statements from several guards that one of the dead aliens is still at the University-lab in Campinas:

"Three military men, one from Campinas, one from Jundiai and another one from Sumare gave us that information. They do not know each other", assures Covo. We are in no doubt about the laboratory real existence. We are now just trying to gain access to it."

ufologie.net...

Hopefully, you’ll find all of this information helpful in understanding this bizarre case. As I mentioned, my main problem with it is the strict reliance on witness testimony. Some kind of mass-hysteria could be to blame here, but it doesn’t seem to mesh with the sincerity of the witness accounts. Something strange definitely happened during these days, but as in Roswell, its more likely it will remain a mystery for some time.

Other References to check out…


Vitorio Pacaccini’s book.


Vitorio Pacaccini


Ubiraja Rodrigues’ book.


Ubiraja Rodrigues

[img] www.mnmufon.org...[/img]
UFO Magazine






[edit on 10-8-2005 by Gazrok]




posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 09:38 AM
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Very informative post Gazrok, thanks. People have to know that such events do exist.

Varginha case is absolutely real. There are too much details and concordances. In this case you can see ALL the signtaures and characteristics of a ufo crash/cover-up operation. NO DOUBT.

Concerning the video i have it in good quality. I can upload it if you want.

[edit on 10/8/2005 by Musclor]



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 09:40 AM
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Great Write up, Gaz!


[edit on 10-8-2005 by Dmitriy]



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 09:42 AM
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Concerning the video i have it in good quality. I can upload it if you want.


Sure, feel free to post a link to it in this thread...
(if done, I'll put a link to it also, from the still)...



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 10:47 AM
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Excellent work Gaz!

This is certainly an instance where multiple accounts of similiar stories from different sources come together to make a pretty convincing case. Having one or two corraborating stories is one thing, but to have so much happen to so many people that all seem to be intertwined with the same accounts, well...that's just too much to ignore.



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 11:48 AM
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The footage (which is supposed to have been filmed in Varginha in january 1996) is in fact divided in 2 parts. On the first part you can see a light moving above some houses and then on the second part you can see a blinking ufo filmed in the sky.

I say "supposed" because it seems that there is some confusion around the real dates and locations of both parts of the video.

According to the UFO Footage Archives, the first part of the video has been filmed in Sao Paulo on january 2nd 1998. The second part of the video, according to another source (a documentary about the Mexico wave), has been filmed in Juchipila, Zacatecas (i dunno the date).

I just wanted to point that out. Anyway, wherever these videos come from, they are really amazing.

The video (you need Divx 5 codec) :

LOW QUALITY (BOTH PARTS) - 3.7 Mo


HIGH QUALITY (FIRST PART ONLY) - 26.7 Mo

[edit on 10/8/2005 by Musclor]



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Varginha case is absolutely real. There are too much details and concordances. In this case you can see ALL the signtaures and characteristics of a ufo crash/cover-up operation. NO DOUBT.


Is there anything you don't think is real Musclor? It seems after reading your posts you will believe anything from crop circles to the government planning and executing 9/11. Do you ever have any skepticism?



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 01:43 PM
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Great post!
Anyway, I've just read a book on the case and it's a very interesting one, and hopefully promising...



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by DaTerminator
Is there anything you don't think is real Musclor? It seems after reading your posts you will believe anything from crop circles to the government planning and executing 9/11. Do you ever have any skepticism?


Hello DaTerminator,

Did you read all my posts ? Not sure


Being in this ufo field for about fifteen years, i have been of course skeptical for lots of cases. However it looks obvious to me that, for the cases you mention, as well as for Varginha, there is definitively something going on. Maybe you don't have enough informations to be as sure as i am. Maybe you will change your mind later on these cases. Anyway, please don't make your opinion too quicky on people just because you read a few posts of them.

PS : To keep the thread clean, please u2u me if you have other remarks/questions.



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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Great work Gazrok!

I would just add , that people should be careful what you read about Varginha on the net.

For instance Carlos De Sousa's story , is considered to be a fabrication by Gevaerd , and Pacaccini.

www.thelosthaven.co.uk...

PACACCINI DISPUTES SOUSA'S TALE OF SAUCER CRASH ( Thrird story down on the link)

According to Gevaerd , there is lot of inaccurate information about this case on the net.

He also says that there are over 80 first hand witnesses to the events in Varginha.

I personally think that the Mass Hallucination explanation doesn't work for me! If its not simply an imaginary affliction to begin with!



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posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 02:52 PM
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Captivating post Gazrok. Lots of info and I always love pictures.



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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According to Gevaerd , there is lot of inaccurate information about this case on the net.


Yep, I encountered that.



He also says that there are over 80 first hand witnesses to the events in Varginha.


Unfortunately, a lot of them are unnamed and we are forced to take their testimony only on the researchers' word....



I personally think that the Mass Hallucination explanation doesn't work for me! If its not simply an imaginary affliction to begin with!


Not mass hallucination.... Mass hysteria, or Mass desire to cash in. Indeed, had this case been anywhere BUT Brazil, it'd actually have even more merit. The problem is, UFOs are practically a tourism trade there, and the average citizen is well aware that fabricating a UFO story, or telling researchers what they want to hear, can be worth a few bucks...especially if they can remain anonymous. Unfortunately, early local publicity may be the underlying cause of consistent reports also.

Still, there are enough corraborating stories and enough named witnesses to make the case at least compelling, and worthy of further study. The details regarding the "contamination" of both the police officer and the zoo animals, are especially interesting, and a unique case in themselves.



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

Unfortunately, a lot of them are unnamed and we are forced to take their testimony only on the researchers' word....


I agree . I wish that wasn't the case , but thats not so uncommon in these type of cases , people feel their reputations are at stake if they talk about UFOs.



Indeed, had this case been anywhere BUT Brazil, it'd actually have even more merit. The problem is, UFOs are practically a tourism trade there, and the average citizen is well aware that fabricating a UFO story, or telling researchers what they want to hear, can be worth a few bucks...especially if they can remain anonymous. Unfortunately, early local publicity may be the underlying cause of consistent reports also.


Well I'm sure there is some truth to that, but is it really that different than right here in the U.S.? There are going to be people trying to cash in everywhere.

Couldn't we basically say the same thing about the U.S.?

Plus Brazil is huge , about the size of the U.S. , and I think a generalization like " UFOs are practically a tourism trade there." is somewhat misleading.




Still, there are enough corraborating stories and enough named witnesses to make the case at least compelling, and worthy of further study. The details regarding the "contamination" of both the police officer and the zoo animals, are especially interesting, and a unique case in themselves.


Indeed!



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 09:03 PM
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Gaz, can't thank you enough for your efforts.



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 10:11 PM
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Excellent work Gazrok. I believe it, this is a great case. Sure, it relys heavily on witness testimony. But, its hard to discount so many witnesses, no? Also good job on bringing up the tourism angle in the beginning. I am not sure if they play that or not, but its possible. It makes sense that the would exploit that angle for tourism.


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posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 12:24 AM
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Now that is what I call a post Gaz!
I'm from deep in the Appalachian Mountains and having a very heavy southern accent I have to say I found the word VARGINHA to be absolutely hysterical though.



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 03:19 AM
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Great post, Gaz...

I noticed there was no mention of the human mutilation story from Sao Paulo..

I do think it's relevent to this case as it occurred nearby...
Also, it's one of the reasons I don't go along with Nick Redferns story re: cattle mutilations..

WARNING: graphic pictures at this link
(go to link at bottom of page)

Bloody Harvest

I was gonna post a pic, but I think it's better not to...

Peace to all



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

Not mass hallucination.... Mass hysteria, or Mass desire to cash in. Indeed, had this case been anywhere BUT Brazil, it'd actually have even more merit. The problem is, UFOs are practically a tourism trade there, .



add on top of that 40 % of the population have an average income of 54 USD/month (and that is probably not bad compared to the poorest part ) and you end up with a lot of people who indeed found a great source for cash , not that i blame them, as for the video yes great footage but of what ? it is technically a UFO as it is unidentified and flying, but the size of it makes me ask myself what the physical features of the pilots might be

i'm sure you will find a lot of people ready to show you actual tracks of the migoo (yeti), or tell you stories about their encounter with him/her in nepal and tibet in exchange of a few bank notes ,



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 04:36 AM
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Awesome post with lots of info for those that didnt know this case.

I personally believe that its a real case.
I lived in Brazil during that time (i was born there) and it didnt seem to be a tourism increaser thing.
Normally Brazil doesnt use to invest much money in tourism propaganda (almost nothing compared to other countries), basically because they dont need.
And they know that brazilians are not too much interested in conspiracy subjects.
So the target of that "propaganda" would be a really small amount of ppl. Then not worth to waste time and money to increase tourism.
The biggest area of tourism in Brazil is the coast.
I remember too during that time ppl laughed at the subject...and during weeks journals and TV shows were making sarcasms at the Army for that.



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 09:03 AM
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I noticed there was no mention of the human mutilation story from Sao Paulo..

I do think it's relevent to this case as it occurred nearby...
Also, it's one of the reasons I don't go along with Nick Redferns story re: cattle mutilations..


Deserving of a look all on it's own really, but thanks for the addition here.





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