I just wanted to take this time to clarify my overall opinion and gut feeling based on "legitimate" information from all angles of the issue and logical "between the lines" possibilites concerning freemasonry.

Simply put, I don't think "joe schmoe" in Mankato, Minnesota who's been a mason for 10 years is a bad guy with any dangerous knowledge or direct involvement in evilry. I know a couple of "these types" from college days.

I DO think that the "devil", at the least something deserving caution, is in the details and NOT in the details. And that the "real deal" doesn't take place at the local lodge across from the Catholic church or old library. What isn't impossible is possible and so most likely "it" will remain an open topic. I am also open to the fact that men are imperfect and wherever men gather there is always trouble of some sort. And, if "real" devilry is at work anywhere, I don't trust men to always discover it, as it most likely is incredibly clever probably hard to comprehend. It's everywhere and in every thing. Courtrooms, churches, schools, arcades, and cheap hotel rooms behind heavy curtains.

Certain qualities are just asking to be the topic of discussions in general. A non-denominational "god" of glass shards that welcomes private prayers from luciferian deities to Jesus to pink elephants, strange pictures of huge eyeballs, connections to Egypt and pyramids and a good measure of "sun" worship, symbols and other carry-overs from alchemy, aprons, skulls, swords, temples, lodges, handshakes, robes, oaths, little old guys in funny cars, etc.

It's all too much smoke to not consider or think of a smoldering fire somewhere. It is interesting isn't it? I mean, in this semi-digital sub-apocolyptic information age, it's interesting to consider such "harry potter"-like goings-on in suburbia.


[edit on 3-10-2005 by 2nd Hand Thoughts]

edit: oops double post

[edit on 6-10-2005 by boombye]

Originally posted by boombye
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"And that the "real deal" doesn't take place at the local lodge across from the Catholic church or old library." -- I guess this is the ignorance I spoke of, which is not really the fault of anyone. This is what turned me off from the York Rite's path. There seems to be a large number of people ignorant to some of the aspects of sacred knowledge that exist in the world and within their own Rites, like very obvious things.
[...]

I see that our posts are very different in that I was supposing the possibility of "average" members being decent guys but at the same time there could be curruption or similar in a broader sense. Similar in my mind to say decent military personnel who are not privy to behind the scenes curruption in points of power.

While you are talking about the presence or absence of understanding in lodges of a specific rite.

Our different ideas are both kind of based on perceptions of local level lodges.

Simply, were you saying that my thought was ignorant or that it was a similar component ("ignorance") of an otherwise quite different idea?

[edit on 8-10-2005 by 2nd Hand Thoughts]

Hello, this has been quite a thread and I am contributing at a very late date. However, even though I trust that Masons are generally unaware of sacred geometry, it seems that the earliest uses of that term are found in books on Masonry.

Frank C. Higgins uses the term 'sared geometry' in his book entitled "Hermetic Masonry". The further states the it is the sacred geometry of the philosophers rather than the euclidian geometry of the mathematicans, which Masonry is concerned about.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Golfie
I first must admit that I have not watched the videos....not worth wasting my time. I know what Masonry is about....I don't need some conspirator telling me what he "suspects".....

OK, sorry to find this odd. On a site where we deny ignorance, this seems to be just that to me. How do you know what the material is if you don't check it out. Just saying it's invalid proves nothing, explain WHY it's invalid then you have made a point.

Did you not notice his avatar. The compass within the firefighter symbol. Quick recognition if you want to find the ones you can trust on your own team. Pretty blatant to me. I could be wrong though.... Deja Vu_javascript:icon('')

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
Did you not notice his avatar. The compass within the firefighter symbol. Quick recognition if you want to find the ones you can trust on your own team. Pretty blatant to me. I could be wrong though.... Deja Vu_javascript:icon('')

Indeed, you could. There's no reason to believe the avatar in use today is the same one that was being used three years ago when that post was first made. Even regardless of the icon, Intrepid has a valid point as well...

[edit on 11/23/2008 by JoshNorton]