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And the truth shall set you free! (The End)

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posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 09:59 PM
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No I have no faith on law!
And I know first hand that the law doesn’t have faith in me!
The Crown? Do you mean the City? Or the Blue Bloods?
The City in London! I.e. The Crown! I really have no problem with so far, I am still investigating, but as I am anti Masonic I am also anti Crown as it is the same!
Bluebloods I have a problem with anyone being born into title or property, I think that no man should own more than he can use!
The Vatican! Hmm well I dislike Jesuits! And I see there connection with a lot of secret societies! The Pope is just a straw man, oh and I also believe them to have oppressed the population for 1500 years!



Aim

posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 01:59 AM
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I see, thank you. Maybe you should investigate the relationship the VATICAN has with the Crown, you might get a little lesson about the law while you're at it. The masons give a short cameo aswell in part two: a brave New World.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
No I have no faith on law!
And I know first hand that the law doesn’t have faith in me!
The Crown? Do you mean the City? Or the Blue Bloods?
The City in London! I.e. The Crown! I really have no problem with so far, I am still investigating, but as I am anti Masonic I am also anti Crown as it is the same!
Bluebloods I have a problem with anyone being born into title or property, I think that no man should own more than he can use!
The Vatican! Hmm well I dislike Jesuits! And I see there connection with a lot of secret societies! The Pope is just a straw man, oh and I also believe them to have oppressed the population for 1500 years!


We're definitely on the same page


Especially this part:



The Pope is just a straw man, oh and I also believe them to have oppressed the population for 1500 years!


In fact, I did a little piece on it here on the same day the pope passed away:

www.belowtopsecret.com...

Some interesting comments there


They moved it from ATS to BTS. I don't understand the logic behind that.

[edit on 13-8-2005 by eudaimonia]



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 05:39 AM
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i can understand the fact that you do not support masonry, which is ok. however i do have a question that is, your thread title says "the trueth shall set you free!" so what is it exactly are you free from? the objective effect is clearly towards non-masons, so if they are not masons what will they be freed of?



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
No I have no faith on law!
And I know first hand that the law doesn’t have faith in me!
...... I am still investigating, but as I am anti Masonic I am also anti Crown as it is the same!
.........
. Hmm well I dislike Jesuits! And I see there connection with a lot of secret societies! ..........



Unfortunately what you've done here is display very clearly that you've already made up your mind about certain things, and you're not willing to even consider another opinion relating to the subject. That's not denying ignorance.

(Unless the post was a display of sarcasm and I missed it; that's entirely possible as I'm old and cranky and am suffering terribly from too much blood in my caffeine system.
)



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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We're definitely on the same page


Thank you!



They moved it from ATS to BTS. I don't understand the logic behind that.


Perhaps because it has nothing to do with ATS?



i can understand the fact that you do not support masonry, which is ok. however i do have a question that is, your thread title says "the trueth shall set you free!" so what is it exactly are you free from? the objective effect is clearly towards non-masons, so if they are not masons what will they be freed of?


I am not sure I understand the question! But I will try to answer it; “what is it exactly I am free from?” well I haven’t said; “And the truth shall set you free FROM!” I am free of bondage, manipulation and control! I am free of indoctrination and society! And you miss my point, the thread title is not aimed at non masons or anti masons, it is aimed against all man, mason and anti-mason! Because the truth shall set us all free!




Unfortunately what you've done here is display very clearly that you've already made up your mind about certain things, and you're not willing to even consider another opinion relating to the subject. That's not denying ignorance.

(Unless the post was a display of sarcasm and I missed it; that's entirely possible as I'm old and cranky and am suffering terribly from too much blood in my caffeine system.


Ahh blow me!

Well you have certainly made YOUR mind up about MY mind.

*lol*

I have room in my thoughts to the fact that I can be wrong, I have admitted before that I was wrong! I do however see a clear picture here! I am not saying Free Masonry is evil, it can’t be! I am saying that Free Masonry is older than they claim, and that it is being used for a foul agenda! By an unseen manipulator! The society within the society and the pyramid within the pyramid are an ancient control mechanism!

You should consider you’re words; I am willing to consider another opinion! Saying that I aren’t is pure BS!
You are the ignorant one! If you have read what I write on many occasions you would see that I am budging and giving in, and have done it many times! The problem is that the INFORMATION I have, the Free Masons won’t debate, so instead the whole subject becomes irrelevant.
And a bickering about SMALL INSIGNIFICANT subjects!

I would like to talk about the TGOATU, Hyksos, mystery schools and the Dionysian Artificers of Greece etc. etc. I would like to talk about Tammuz Pharaoh Sheshonq I, King Solomon etc. etc.

But instead the thread writer is being attacked and subjects like “that Masonic rank nr 14 is wrong it’s called……”
And the heavy subjects are being avoided, with intention! I can understand this because it is sacred to them! But when these subjects go unanswered I find it hard to budge more than I do all ready! I think the masons on this site do a good job for the most part, but they have emotions written over some of their posts! And with the entire BS that is being written about them I can understand their reactions!
For this I love ATS! When I came here over a year ago, I had some not so nice meanings about the FM! But now it has all changed!
I don’t have anything against an individual longer, but I still see the connection however as I saw then!

And no I am not being sarcastic! I will try to write from now on when I am sarcastic and when I am not being sarcastic!


Cheers mate!



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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hey all on ATS, just wanted to say that i am going on vacation, the MIB finally found me!

Or i mayby i just have to go to Rhodos for 7 days! nice Greece here i come!
So ill see you all next sunday!

Have fun, and play nice!



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
I can’t believe that the way above top secret reward is being raped on an insignificant post as this! An example ML’s vote for Cug! Now here we have a good vote! Axeman you are just raping the system! What have he contributed with? Anyways it is your vote and you can use it as you like!


You better believe I can; and I voted for him because he made me laugh and he has an excellent point.


Oh and Axeman? Is it fair for me to conclude you agree and if so how do you know how much time I have used researching this? I would like to know!


No, I don't necessarily agree that it applies to you, but there are many people here that his comment does apply to. You, to be honest, are one of the few anti's I have a modicum of respect for, because even though I don't agree with you, you seem to have some kind of knowledge of what you speak, and you can admit when you are wrong.

I've even voted you Way Above before (how's that for raping the system!
), I just didn't post it. I rarely do, only when I think it should be known.


[edit on 8/13/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Aug, 14 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
And the heavy subjects are being avoided, with intention! I can understand this because it is sacred to them!


That couldn't be more false. The "heavy subjects" have not been ignored, because they were never brought up! The mundane subjects that masons have argued against here have a purpose: they show that if you have a misunderstanding of the basic, mundane details of Freemasonry, then you can't possibly be correct about larger subjects. It shows that you know very little regarding our Craft.

As for things being "sacred" to masons, there are few things that masons consider sacred within Freemasonry. As men of religion, what is sacred to us generally only pertains to our religion, and Freemasonry is NOT a religion, nor it is a faith, nor is it a belief. It is a school of morals, nothing more.

[edit on 14-8-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Aug, 14 2005 @ 04:52 AM
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i still dont understand what we will be free of? do you not pay taxes? do you not have a boss at work? do you not have customers who buy your product? do you not have to answer to a judge when you commit a crime? exactly what are YOU personally free of again?

And your thread is aimed at non masons and anti masons simply because you know "us REAL masons will just deny everything anyways." right? so the subject of the thread is derived for them.

but what exactly are they going to be free from? masonry? if they are non masons or anti masons then they really have nothing to worry about. Your thread has dont NOTHING nor was it intended to turn the minds of actuall freemasons.

So i ask....WHAT IS YOUR DAMN POINT?!



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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I've even voted you Way Above before (how's that for raping the system! ), I just didn't post it. I rarely do, only when I think it should be known.


You did not!



That couldn't be more false. The "heavy subjects" have not been ignored, because they were never brought up! The mundane subjects that masons have argued against here have a purpose: they show that if you have a misunderstanding of the basic, mundane details of Freemasonry, then you can't possibly be correct about larger subjects. It shows that you know very little regarding our Craft.

As for things being "sacred" to masons, there are few things that masons consider sacred within Freemasonry. As men of religion, what is sacred to us generally only pertains to our religion, and Freemasonry is NOT a religion, nor it is a faith, nor is it a belief. It is a school of morals, nothing more


Ok Sebatwerk!

So answer this please: (confirm or deny)



Free Masons know that real information "can't" be known! If real information could be had by every one, it would immediately become worthless. Information, by its very definition, implies IGNORANCE and EXCLUSIVITY. They require ignorance in order to be informed




You need to first imprison the "human" mind with a rigid belief and a fundamentally limited sense of reality - the "sheep" pen. It doesn't much matter what the beliefs may be, so long as they are rigid and discourage free thought and open-minded questioning. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism, Confucianism, Zionism, Fascism, Capitalism, Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Absolutism, Agnosticism, Altruism, Atheism, Determinism, Dualism, Egoism, Emperism, Evolutionism, Hedonism, Idealism, Materialism, Monism, Mysticism, Naturalism, Pantheism, Pluralism, Pragmatism, Rationalism and Theism etc.
This is what the Free Masons implore, and use on their initiates! All "ism" is a control form; it is used to keep the "sheep" in place! It is used to manipulate the "sheep" into thinking they know what is going on! But they don’t. You then encourage those who follow these rigid beliefs to impose them on others and make life very difficult and unpleasant for anyone who does not conform.




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The Masons are sun worshippers as almost every one else is, they worship a God called the great architect of the universe, this is very close to the name the great architect used in Egypt as a name for their pharaohs. Also their prophet or savior named Solomon, is actually only one word repeated three times, Sol = sun, Om = Sun and On = sun, so here we have a name that is Sunsunsun.




So lets start with a famous Masonic character, the hero Hiram Abif (“the widow son”) as he is named by the masons, are not as they say a Babylonian Chief Architect but actually an Egyptian architect named Harem Atif (“Hiram is my father”) which was under the rule of the great pharaoh Sheshonq I, who is the true King Solomon. So here we see that their so called history intermingle or let me say this “it is the Egyptian history”




The Sumerian history includes a tale about King Sargon, the Akkadian King. Which resembles, or let me say; IT IS THE HISTORY OF THE LATER HEBREW MOSES.
This tells us again that it is the same history re-written, when history talks about the son of god, what they mean is the son of the SUN. Jesus was not the son of god, but the son of the sun, as pharaohs and Sumerian Kings etc. also called them selves. As we see the same gods under different names, we also se the same Kings, pharaohs and emperors under different names.
For reference we can take into account, the Sumerian tablets which is from around 2000 BC. They speak of the "King in the basket", "EDEN" and "The great flood".




The Hyksos are known as the "shepherd Kings" and "rulers of foreign land", they are said to have invaded Egypt around 1700 BC, they put into power these "priest Kings" or pharaohs, who were then learned about the secrets of Keops i.e. pyramid of Giza aka. Mount ZION. And about the mystery schools, i.e. the Free Masonic "fore fathers"!
Now who was one of those "priest Kings"? Pharaoh Sheshonq I, aka. King Solomon i.e. the savior of the Free Masons? As evidence suggest the Hyksos are a bloodline from ancient Sumer, two Sumerian Kings were called "shepherd kings",




But evidence tells me that the "shepherd Kings" didn't invade, they were all ready there! They just started a "revolution", the "sheep" vs. the reigning "bull", hence their name "shepherd Kings"! So here we have Aries vs. Taurus i.e. shepherd and cattle story aka. Jacob vs. Laban. Aries vs. Pisces i.e. shepherd and fishers of men etc. And now we have Pisces vs. Aquarius. I could go on and on with examples like this, etc. Abraham is in fact a pharaoh called Sheshi, whose throne name was Mayebra! Abraham’s son Isaac was a Hyksos pharaoh called Anathar, and Isaacs’s son Jacob was again a Hyksos pharaoh called Yacobaam.
Yacobaam had the 12 sons that founded Is-Ra-El i.e. Isis - Ra - Eli or the trinity if youd like. aka. the 12 tribes of Is-Ra-El.
Then around 1600 BC, the people of Abraham left Egypt to invade Jerusalem, also we have the Jewish writer Josephus who describes the fleeing Hyksos as "our ancestors". But the Hyksos did return to Egypt, as written in the story of Joseph. The Hyksos have deep ties to the Egyptian mystery schools at Heliopolis




The Hyksos King David aka. Psusennes II father of Solomon aka Sheshonq I, were "priest Kings", this is why it is told that Sol-Om-On, had these great magic powers. Also King David aka. Psunennes II, was the First to put hieroglyphs in the Keops pyramid i.e. pyramid at Giza aka. Mount Zion. So to set the record straight Solomon’s temple is not in Babylon but Tanis i.e. Tcian or Zian, on the eastern delta.
Then we have the BenBen stone; which stands inside the temple of the phoenix, (remember that the phoenix is to be used in the Free Masonic Great Seal of the US. currency.)




The Babylonian trinity consist of; Nimrod (the fish), his son Tammuz (who died for our sins), Semiramis (the dove) aka. Father, son and the holy ghost. As we see, we also have Mary (virgin mother of Jesus, who is Isis (virgin mother of Horus) and Semiramis (virgin mother of Tammuz). Tammuz was also the son of god aka. the SUN! This is why the Free Masons, orientate their temples to the east, they face GOD! Also the Nimrod/Semiramis story is the same as the Osiris/Isis story.




Free Masons know this, they know that all religion is from pre-Christian or pre-Jewish rituals, where we worship the sun and the ancient bloodlines of Hyksos etc. Now lets focus a little on Hiram or should i say Harem, Harem is a priestly title in Egypt as with Haremheb etc. in Arab temple mount is Harem a-Sharif




To the coronation of the British monarchs, we see it is very much indeed inspired by Egypt, it is actually the same coronation performed by the high priest of the old mystery schools! We have the “god save the queen” which was used in the Old Testament at King Sauls coronation, we have the “scone stone”, the scepter and the rod, and also the anointment which have deep ties to Egypt and the serpent (crocodile). This was used in coronation ceremonies by the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs. This is used to elevate the monarch to the rank of HIGH PRIEST!
Then of course, we must not forget the CROWN aka. The city within the city, this is a privately owned corporation owned by the Free Masons, it is always “run” by a council of 12-14 men, and the Lord Mayor of the city is ALWAYS a Free Mason. The sitting monarch has to bow and get permission to enter by the Lord Mayor.




GOATU = Smitty
He’s going to get the goat
You are going to ride the goat
Look out for the goat


If you can provide valid answers, then I will perhaps accept them, and we can move on to some other questions!



still dont understand what we will be free of? do you not pay taxes? do you not have a boss at work? do you not have customers who buy your product? do you not have to answer to a judge when you commit a crime? exactly what are YOU personally free of again?

And your thread is aimed at non masons and anti masons simply because you know "us REAL masons will just deny everything anyways." right? so the subject of the thread is derived for them.

but what exactly are they going to be free from? masonry? if they are non masons or anti masons then they really have nothing to worry about. Your thread has dont NOTHING nor was it intended to turn the minds of actuall freemasons.

So i ask....WHAT IS YOUR DAMN POINT?!


We will be free of MANIPULATION AND CONTROL!
I pay taxes, yes for now!
I am my own boss, so no I answer to me and I am the only one responsible if I don’t hit target!
Yes customers buy my product, for now!
No I do not have to answer a judge; I have numerous cases of them dropping charges! I have been wanted by the police for some 90% of my adult life and yet they have tried to charge and arrest me, but have utterly failed, except in one case where I did 20 days! And about 2 tickets where they drew the money from some taxes they should have been paying me!

I am not saying you will deny anything; I have great respect for some of the masons on this site! And I have grown to like them!

The last bit, my ignorance can’t understand! Perhaps clear out the anger and try again!

But I think I have explained my point many times! But please feel free to ask again, I will try my best!



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Ok Sebatwerk!

So answer this please: (confirm or deny)

* snip a bunch of random quotes*

If you can provide valid answers, then I will perhaps accept them, and we can move on to some other questions!


I don't understand how you want me to read 20 or so very different subjects and comment on them all! You think I would waste the server space or time to do that? You need to be far more specific and keep your thread's topics limited to one specific issue. I will, however, tell you this:

Of the multitude of silly quotes and random B.S. that you posted, little, if anything, made any sense or had anything to do with real Freemasonry.

[edit on 21-8-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by umwolves123
do you not pay taxes?


No one should.

This is one of the biggest frauds the american people have succumbed to.

The IRS runs on 90% Bluff. They use intimidation and fear to those who aren't educated on:

The 861 Evidence

The Deception

Sherry Peel Jackson - Former IRS Agent (Now a Certified Fraud Examiner)

I've seen her video "Breaking the Invisible Shackles of the IRS".

Income Tax? Where's the law?



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia

Originally posted by umwolves123
do you not pay taxes?


No one should.


So then how would you expect the country to run?



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by eudaimonia

Originally posted by umwolves123
do you not pay taxes?


No one should.


So then how would you expect the country to run?


What are you saying? That Taxes is the only way to run this country??



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia
What are you saying? That Taxes is the only way to run this country??


It's the only way to provide the money that allows this country to function. Show me a country that DOESN'T tax its citizens.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by eudaimonia
What are you saying? That Taxes is the only way to run this country??


It's the only way to provide the money that allows this country to function. Show me a country that DOESN'T tax its citizens.


And you actually BELIEVE that OUR HARD EARNED money that we give to the government is actually being used to benefit the american people?

HA! That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia
And you actually BELIEVE that OUR HARD EARNED money that we give to the government is actually being used to benefit the american people?

HA! That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.


Is that what I said? In fact, I didn't say anything at all, and I don't care about what other conspiracy theory B.S. you subscribe to. I simply asked you how else you expect our country to run. How do you expect for federal and state houses to maintain and pass laws? How do you expect the military to defend us? How would courts work, and how would police be paid to do their job? How would firefighters put out your burning home?

Answer my questions, don't change the subject.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by eudaimonia
And you actually BELIEVE that OUR HARD EARNED money that we give to the government is actually being used to benefit the american people?

HA! That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.


Is that what I said? In fact, I didn't say anything at all, and I don't care about what other conspiracy theory B.S. you subscribe to. I simply asked you how else you expect our country to run. How do you expect for federal and state houses to maintain and pass laws? How do you expect the military to defend us? How would courts work, and how would police be paid to do their job? How would firefighters put out your burning home?

Answer my questions, don't change the subject.



How else? Well, look, I don't hold a degree in politics, all I know is the Income Tax is 100% Fraud, and the american people better start thinking of a new way of running things. Because if I remember correctly, WE have the power.

What Laws are being passed at this moment that are doing any good for this country?!

How is our Military at this moment defending us?! From what enemy?! (Hint: 9/11)

Are you saying that we have to PAY people to SAVE US?

Please, just saying that outloud is ludacris.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by eudaimonia


Answer my questions, don't change the subject.



How else? Well, look, I don't hold a degree in politics, all I know is the Income Tax is 100% Fraud, and the american people better start thinking of a new way of running things. Because if I remember correctly, WE have the power.

What Laws are being passed at this moment that are doing any good for this country?!

How is our Military at this moment defending us?! From what enemy?! (Hint: 9/11)

Are you saying that we have to PAY people to SAVE US?

Please, just saying that outloud is ludacris.



Ludacris???





I'm sure the word you were looking for is ludicrous. Ludicrous.

You still didn't answer the question. Who pays the nice fireman that comes to get your kitty out of the tree?

[edit on 8/22/05 by The Axeman]




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