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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 07:03 AM
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co_cowboy:



a FM cowboy - i find this somewhat amusing. please, i mean no harm.
i like stuff like this, i went by the name of 'the amish webmaster' a while back.




posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Thank you ML!

As always you’re a shining light that guides the ignorant!
I think it is the way you transfer your knowledge, in that old ML non judging way, even though you are being judged. Very commendable, very much indeed!


Thanks, man. By the way, it's good to see you back.


So the OTO, has no influence on the Scottish or York rite? I thought that the OTO where kind of a governing “state”?


A lot of Masons consider the O.T.O. to be sort of a rip-off of Masonry. Most of the O.T.O. rituals have been copied from an irregular branch of the Scottish Rite called the Cerneau Rite. The original O.T.O. rituals written by Reuss were, for the most part, plagiarism of Masonic ritual. This was in part corrected around 1912, when Aleister Crowley began revising the O.T.O. degree ceremonies.

Crowley eliminated the most obvious of the Masonic references in the O.T.O.'s first three degrees, and replaced them with Thelemic ones. This was apparently due to the concern that the Masonic Grand Lodges would not allow regular Masons to join O.T.O. if O.T.O. was nothing more than a copycat of Masonry.

But as for actual organization, Masonry and O.T.O. are two completely distinct organizations. Masonry generally attracts Protestant Christians and those of the Jewish faith, while O.T.O. is opened to Thelemites only. Also, from my personal experience, the members of O.T.O. generally come from the counterculture, i.e., they're hippies. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being a hippie (I was one myself when I was a kid), but am using this to point out the difference between O.T.O. and Masonry. In the '60's, it was the hippie counterculture who rediscovered Crowley's work, and carried it forward.


As for the York rite’s general grand council, they don’t lay down the guidelines i.e. Rules for the other York lodges?


The General Grand Council is composed of the officers of the Grand Councils of each state. They meet once every three years to discuss administration. The General Grand Council can make recommendations, but it's up the Grand Council of each state whether or not to make these recommendations law. You can find all the websites to the General Grand Council and the state Grand Councils here:

www.yorkrite.com


But it still didn’t answer my question? Is there or is there not a master mason, without any pendant
Degrees, in the OTO or general grand council of the York rite?


Most members of the O.T.O. are not Masons (there are also quite a few female members of O.T.O.; unlike Masonry, O.T.O. is not male-only). However, there are no doubt a few O.T.O. members who are Master Masons without any appendent degrees.

In the Grand Councils of the York Rite, one must have served as Illustrious Master of his Council before he can be elected to serve on the Grand Council. Therefore, everyone who is elected to the York Rite Grand Councils must be a member of the York Rite.


Thank you MasonicLight for adding to this thread!


Thanks, you too!



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 10:36 AM
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Well you have me thinking, as always ML!

But to sum it up! Would you ML say that it is impossible, to direct any form of agenda through the free masons?

And is it impossible to use these lodges i.e. Scottish / York / OTO as a filter, for the capitalist and Zionist etc. , to find brethren of their own kind i.e. People they can use, for investment purposes, as a tool for the NWO?

Also what about all the symbolism! Is it just “stolen”, to make the impression of depth?

And finally! Don’t you see the connection to Egypt / Sumer / Babylon in your own Symbolism?

And do you have a comment on the “Comacine Masters” and “Dionysian Artificers”?

And perhaps a little comment on the “Hyksos” would be very much appreciated!

Again Masonic Light, you lead by example! The way its meant to be done! Thank you!


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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by duskboy



HAHAHAHA~!!!

I love the rows of flannel shirt in the background! How embarrassing! :bnghd:

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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet

But to sum it up! Would you ML say that it is impossible, to direct any form of agenda through the free masons?


There have been quite a few agendas advanced through Freemasonry, but no, I wouldn't say that any agenda could be. For example, atheism could not be advanced through Masonry, or anything else that conflicts with the basic principles of Masonry.


And is it impossible to use these lodges i.e. Scottish / York / OTO as a filter, for the capitalist and Zionist etc. , to find brethren of their own kind i.e. People they can use, for investment purposes, as a tool for the NWO?


I suppose anything is possible, but I would say it isn't probable. Take O.T.O., for example. The purpose of O.T.O. is to teach, study, and practice the Hermetic Sciences as interpreted by Aleister Crowley, its former leader. The reason for doing this is attain spiritual elightenment and a more in-depth understanding of Nature, and our role in it. Members of O.T.O. dedicate themselves to these principles, and generally ignore all the hang-ups of the outer and profane world, viewing such things as a hindrance to their own personal development.

In like manner, the purpose of Freemasonry is to unite men of different ideas and opinions in a fraternal fellowship, to study and teach philosophy (especially ethics and metaphysics), and to aid and assist the less fortunate. Unlike O.T.O., Masons do not scoff at, and remove themselves, from the outer and profane world, but try to work within it to make it a little better place to be.


Also what about all the symbolism! Is it just “stolen”, to make the impression of depth?


Perhaps in part. Because Masonic ritual both mystifies and charms the observer, it tends to have the opportunity to teach new members in a special way, through ceremonial drama. Other fraternal orders have recognized this, and practically all of them have borrowed at least a few things from Masonry. What makes the O.T.O. a bit different is that there was a serious lack of originality in its first draft, with practically everything ritualistic being taken from Masonry.


And finally! Don’t you see the connection to Egypt / Sumer / Babylon in your own Symbolism?


Yes, indeed I do. Some of the symbolism used in Masonry is very old, older than the Masonic Fraternity. For example, the All Seeing Eye seems to have been first used in ancient India, where it was called the Eye of Shiva, and represented God's watchfulness over His creatures, as well as being a symbol for the sun. From there, it was adopted by the Egyptians, where it was called the Eye of Horus, who led and won the battle against the powers of darkness. Eventually, it was adopted by Masonry as a symbol of God's presence.


And do you have a comment on the “Comacine Masters” and “Dionysian Artificers”?


Only that these organizations may have been early ancestors of early Masonry.




[edit on 29-7-2005 by Masonic Light]



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Ahh Nygdan! Hail and welcome 8)

*salutes*

Also he’s birthday? C’mon? It was celebrated thousands of years before as the REBIRTH of the SUN!

I'll agree that things like christmas, easter, lent, etc are clearly 'non-christian'. I'll also agree that its pretty obvious whats going on in terms of there being a pagan shrine to a god of healing one century, and then a christain shrine to a Saint who miraculously healed people in another.

Its when we look at the 'passion play' that we have the 'hard core' of christianity (that and the 'son of god status' and virgin birth'). Like you note, tammuz dies and ressurects. Indeed, lots of gods die and ressurect. Inanna herself is judge, stuck up on a big stick, dies unusually quickly, then ressurects, freeing souls from hell nonetheless.
But I do question how much of it is direct borrowing from pagan religions and how much is just coincidental. The story of a god that dies for his followers isn't really all that odd if you think about it. And we also know that people in those times were indeed crucified as a punishment by the state, the worldly order, so in a sense jesus practically has to be crucified (of course he could've been beheaded, stoned, buried alive, etc), and it seems like that might be a more reasonable origin for that part of it than it being a loaning from pagan religions. And regardless of how it got there, the intrinisic power of the event fits well into an established motif in world religions. That might be why christianity was so appealing to the pagan world, but it doesn't strictly mean that it was lifted from it.
I think that most researchers into christianity will state that its origins are jewish, not pagan (tho apparently the reverse used to be the case. The discoveries of things like the DSS are what tilted the scales torwards jewishness in the modern era).


First as priest kings of Egypt, Sumer and Babylon then as oracles and prophets of Greece and Rome, Jesuits and Vatican, Royal Bloodlines and more priest, finally as presidents and bankers etc. etc.

I really think that more direct connections need to be made to say that egyptian preists and kings initiated greco-roman oracles and then the early chruch fathers and then eventually the kings and queens of europe, and finally bankers. I mean, to say that there is a direct connection is a pretty strong statement, it really requires a single cult that's been passed from adept to initiate for an immense period of time. There's also a somewhat paradoxical problem of it having to change in forms from an egyptian religion into a fraternity with symbology centered around the art and science of masonry, while at the same time preseving the symbols in such a way as to indicate that its an egpytian religion in the first place. It seems rather unlikely and it really does seem more like it started off as a christian masonry guild, with a biblical legend about how it was founded, and that then that was added to by philosophs who were invited in later, who made it more 'high falutin', bring in pythagoras and islamic shrines and egyptian symbology. I mean, it seems like that is a better explanation for the mix of forms than to say that the egyptian stuff has managed to stay intact over 4 millenia, but has been out of any egpytian context for nearly as long.

The bible consists of the New Testament and the old!

The solomonic legend is in the old testament tho. Hiram abif and King Hiram of tyre are taken from a biblical story, with the addition of hiram abif's betrayal and murder.

A lot of their stories is about nations before that time

But I think that these stories were added to the 'core' of masonry, that is those old constitutions from the north of england, when the speculative hoity toity types were invited in.
It might even be intersting to compare masonrys interpretations of these egyptian things (and even islamic things wrt the shriners) with the understanding of them in the academic community of the time of their inception, as opposed to the modern understanding of them. Alas, that woudl require a freemason who's also an academic in the field of egyptology and what not, and wouldn't be available to the public anyways.

build them all around the world in INDUS VALLEY and AMERICA etc

There is no evidence to contradict the idea that the meso-american pyramids and egyptian pyramids are independant inventions.

Actually the Free Masons can be traced back further! To the Order of St. John, Teutonic Knights, Knights Hospitaller and Knights Templars!

I'm not even so sure that those connections are all that strong. From what I understand, the idea is that the Knights Templar came into contact with highly civilized and esoteric islamic secret societies during the crusades, usually the assasins or just the sufis in general or any such cult, the idea being that they picked up their advanced technology (lost in europe, retained and advanced under the caliphs and sultans) and advanced philosophy along with it. But there isn't any evidence that this infact happened, its an interesting theory, but I've never even see what the templars beleived and what rituals they are even alleged to have that are at all similar to anything islamic, let alone specific to the assasins or sufis or even the Unitarians (of the levant, but then again, their beleifs are something of a secret mystery also).
But even if we say that the Templars did have an esoteric philosophy adapted from the assasins/sufis/etc, there doesn't seem to be much evidence supporting a masonic-templar connection. I really think that the biggest blocks to this are the the templars were warrior-knights, why would they ever make themselves day-labourers? And why would they change their secret rituals into the forms of day-labourers? And where were they between the dissolution of the Templars by the Church and the first appearances of mason union constituions? As for other Crusader orders, the same applies and furthermore the 'becoming stonemasons' problem isexacerbated (especially by their continued existence), and its really blocked by masonry first appearing in england, rather than Malta or Prussia (for the hospitallars and teutonics respectivly).

It is isn’t it!

Damnit, don't be so agreeable, don't you know that you are supposed to pick and mud and throw it at other posters in this forum!



Sir Andrew Bertie: Grand Master of the Soverign Military Order of the Knights of Malta (he is a cousin of Queen Elizabeth II)

?! How'd the cousin of the anglican queen get into a Catholic Knightly Order??


i was just messing with you, poor attempt of humor! mybad

Only one way to solve this:
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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 02:11 PM
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Erm...Nygdan?

Please send two of those to my home address. Please. Pretty please.


/end off topic post.

I'm learning a lot on this thread; no small thanks due to sebatwerk, who doth indeed rock, as do many of you who are sharing this knowledge with the likes of me.

You are all quite, quite wonderful.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 02:23 PM
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There have been quite a few agendas advanced through Freemasonry, but no, I wouldn't say that any agenda could be. For example, atheism could not be advanced through Masonry, or anything else that conflicts with the basic principles of Masonry.


How about absolutism, hedonism, instrumentalism, monism, rationalism or theism?

Could something like capitalism or socialism be introduced, via the network?

Masonic Light, thank you for clearing that up! Perhaps I need to reconsider some ideas and theories!




Its when we look at the 'passion play' that we have the 'hard core' of christianity


Well Nygdan, I wont agree here, I will agree that Protestant Christianity (Luther) is fundamentally different! But it is also very new! Compared to the others! Even the New Testament is new 8p

Also I am not denying that Jesus existed! Or that he’s father were a carpenter an all that! But to the virgin birth, please! And to the origin; as stated above I cant agree there, even Judaism is from pagan beliefs, in my opinion!



I really think that more direct connections need to be made to say that egyptian preists and kings initiated greco-roman oracles and then the early chruch fathers and then eventually the kings and queens of europe, and finally bankers. I mean, to say that there is a direct connection is a pretty strong statement, it really requires a single cult that's been passed from adept to initiate for an immense period of time. There's also a somewhat paradoxical problem of it having to change in forms from an egyptian religion into a fraternity with symbology centered around the art and science of masonry, while at the same time preseving the symbols in such a way as to indicate that its an egpytian religion in the first place. It seems rather unlikely and it really does seem more like it started off as a christian masonry guild, with a biblical legend about how it was founded, and that then that was added to by philosophs who were invited in later, who made it more 'high falutin', bring in pythagoras and islamic shrines and egyptian symbology. I mean, it seems like that is a better explanation for the mix of forms than to say that the egyptian stuff has managed to stay intact over 4 millenia, but has been out of any egpytian context for nearly as long.


Well I think the Greek and Egyptian is in a direct connection to the timeline and in the pantheons. And there is similar connection with the Greek and Roman pantheons, and we know that the Roman Emperor Constantin was a big part of the Vatican and the new testament.
From this there isn’t very far to the Franks and the Dutch connection with England, and from England to America! But it’s all theory.

Also I believe that the Hyksos, was the fore fathers of Israel, and they have a clear connection to Egypt.

But yes, it is more probable that they just took the symbolism later on, but it is also probable that it survived i.e. It survived for 3000 years just to vanish 500-1000 years ago?




There is no evidence to contradict the idea that the meso-american pyramids and egyptian pyramids are independant inventions.


But I think there is, they are all from around the same time the Egyptian, Indian and Meso-American pyramids, but my theory goes that perhaps some people with the knowledge of the stars and earth travelled around the world and taught this to the priest or shamans! (there have been proved a connection with Egypt and South America; in the lungs of a pharaoh they found traces of tobacco and coc aine! (suggesting trade with the Indians of south America and the Egyptian pharaohs who were the only ones allowed to trade with outsiders.) And the Indians of South America have sailed the Atlantic Ocean in one of their old primitive sailing boats not so long ago!




But even if we say that the Templars did have an esoteric philosophy adapted from the assasins/sufis/etc, there doesn't seem to be much evidence supporting a masonic-templar connection. I really think that the biggest blocks to this are the the templars were warrior-knights, why would they ever make themselves day-labourers? And why would they change their secret rituals into the forms of day-labourers?


The Knights Templar new of ancient geometry! This is not a secret, they new the secret of corner stones etc. and many more! They used this to build temples and cathedrals around Europe. So they didn’t degrade them selves but ascended, according to them!




Damnit, don't be so agreeable, don't you know that you are supposed to pick and mud and throw it at other posters in this forum!


I am not agreeable, and you know that and don’t tell me what I am supposed to do, you big bully! 8p




How'd the cousin of the anglican queen get into a Catholic Knightly Order??


How should I know?



In any case, headquarters is hardly equipped to run a world conspiracy. Housed in a small palace on a narrow, crowded Roman street, SMOM's offices are more suitable to a museum than a military command post. The order's grand master, Sir Andrew Bertie, a Scottish friar and a cousin of England's, Queen Elizabeth, and his court are primarily concerned with protocol, knightly honors and the Vatican intrigue that inevitably infects church institutions in Rome. Church sources familiar with SMOM's workings dismiss the idea that the prince is "privy to all the schemes of Knights in other countries," and they cite the case of J. Peter Grace Jr., the best-known American Knight and the most controversial


www.mosquitonet.com...



Andrew Bertie, 68th Prince and Grand Master, lives and works in the Magistral Palace of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, Via Condotti, in the heart of Rome. Born in London in 1929, Frà Bertie was educated by Benedictine monks. Winston Churchill was a relation and Queen Elizabeth II is related to him on his mother’s side;


www.orderofmalta.org...


*SNIP*
MOD EDIT: Removed Offensive Link

Thank you all for adding to this thread!

NeonHelmet

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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
(there have been proved a connection with Egypt and South America; in the lungs of a pharaoh they found traces of tobacco and coc aine! (suggesting trade with the Indians of south America and the Egyptian pharaohs who were the only ones allowed to trade with outsiders.)

The tobacco and coke pressence don't actually prove a connection. There are several plants in the old world that are related to tobacco and coke (however, I will say, none that test for nicotine or coc aine), and its not unreasonable to think that there were indeed plants that used to exhibit these chemicals, but have since been wiped out. Part of the reasoning that would support this is that tobacco is found on lots of european remains, long before the accepted contact dates, and this, I think, implies too much of a connection between the old and new worlds to have not also left other strong evidences of contact, like new world pottery, precious stones and gems, artwork, or even remnants of trading posts, etc etc).



And the Indians of South America have sailed the Atlantic Ocean in one of their old primitive sailing boats not so long ago!

You mean in recent times? I think people like heyerdal demonstrated that contact was possible given the technology.


They used this to build temples and cathedrals around Europe. So they didn’t degrade them selves but ascended, according to them!

I don't know of any evidence suggesting that the Templars were the ones supervising work on their temples and fortifications. But rather that actual stonemasons and architects were. And, again, it still seems very likely that they'd drop their knightly order and become a stonemason's guild, building castles for anyone that could pay them for it, etc etc.
[edited sloppy quoting - nygdan]

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posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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The tobacco and coke pressence don't actually prove a connection. There are several plants in the old world that are related to tobacco and coke (however, I will say, none that test for nicotine or coc aine), and its not unreasonable to think that there were indeed plants that used to exhibit these chemicals, but have since been wiped out. Part of the reasoning that would support this is that tobacco is found on lots of european remains, long before the accepted contact dates, and this, I think, implies too much of a connection between the old and new worlds to have not also left other strong evidences of contact, like new world pottery, precious stones and gems, artwork, or even remnants of trading posts, etc etc).


To my knowledge but it is a long time ago I read it, it was nicotine and coc aine they found! But yes it is not an indisputable fact! Ill give you that!




You mean in recent times? I think people like heyerdal demonstrated that contact was possible given the technology.


Yes in resent times some 5-10 years ago! They sailed across the Atlantic in the boats they used on the rivers and near the coasts!




I don't know of any evidence suggesting that the Templars were the ones supervising work on their temples and fortifications. But rather that actual stonemasons and architects were. And, again, it still seems very likely that they'd drop their knightly order and become a stonemason's guild, building castles for anyone that could pay them for it, etc etc.


Perhaps it is just rumours I will check into it! I am reading a book right now though fiction it is very good! By Jan Guillou called the Knight Templar.

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Cug

posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

A lot of Masons consider the O.T.O. to be sort of a rip-off of Masonry. Most of the O.T.O. rituals have been copied from an irregular branch of the Scottish Rite called the Cerneau Rite. The original O.T.O. rituals written by Reuss were, for the most part, plagiarism of Masonic ritual.


Nice to see you posting more often ML!

Anyway a small correction, The rituals used back then were a mix of the Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis and Mizraim and the Cerneau Rite. Any plagiarism that happened should rest on John Yarker shoulders. Ruess was using a charter from Yarker to start a branch of Masonry that was above the 33rd. IE you had to be a 33rd to join the O.T.O.



Also, from my personal experience, the members of O.T.O. generally come from the counterculture, i.e., they're hippies. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being a hippie (I was one myself when I was a kid), but am using this to point out the difference between O.T.O. and Masonry. In the '60's, it was the hippie counterculture who rediscovered Crowley's work, and carried it forward.


Well... not quite. it was the hippie leftovers in the later 70's that carried the O.T.O. forward. From 62 to 69 the O.T.O. was a body in name only, they had no leader (OHO), meetings or active local bodies.



Members of O.T.O. dedicate themselves to these principles, and generally ignore all the hang-ups of the outer and profane world, viewing such things as a hindrance to their own personal development

:::snip:::

Unlike O.T.O., Masons do not scoff at, and remove themselves, from the outer and profane world, but try to work within it to make it a little better place to be.


I really don't think that is a fair statement. The O.T.O. also tries to make the world better by promoting the practices of Thelema.



posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 07:12 AM
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They have taken all the sacred symbols and turned them into evil, they had to do this because then they couldnt be able to control the masses of people,. Keep em in Ignorance. If one is in Ignorance then you can be controlled. When one comes out of this Ignorance, then they no longer can control you. This systems been at work for centuries. Most all mainstream religions are under this controlled system. Its like slavery. ( of the mind) when are people going to wake up to this. so all Masonic symbols to me are good.
When we are born, we are born into this Ignorance, the only way to come out of it, is to Knowledge oneself. People need to start re-searching their History more, and what was going on back in the Dark ages, (why do you think it was called the "Dark Ages") the church held the people in the Dark ( Ignorance) I would walk by a Mason before I would a closed mind preacher.



posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 08:27 AM
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They have taken all the sacred symbols and turned them into evil



Actually the have never been sacred but used for the same purpose!



they had to do this because then they couldnt be able to control the masses of people,. Keep em in Ignorance. If one is in Ignorance then you can be controlled. When one comes out of this Ignorance, then they no longer can control you. This systems been at work for centuries. Most all mainstream religions are under this controlled system. Its like slavery. ( of the mind)


True! Its the game of CONTROL & MANIPULATION



when are people going to wake up to this


The first wave is all ready awake mate, don’t worry!



so all Masonic symbols to me are good.
When we are born, we are born into this Ignorance, the only way to come out of it, is to Knowledge oneself. People need to start re-searching their History more, and what was going on back in the Dark ages, (why do you think it was called the "Dark Ages") the church held the people in the Dark ( Ignorance) I would walk by a Mason before I would a closed mind preacher


Tjeck out ZZZ thread about symbolism!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

thank you for adding to this thread!

Neon



posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 11:14 AM
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I believe you have, however, adequately demonstrated that most faith systems, regardless of their geographic origin or their place in the timeline of history, all share common traits and legends, perhaps just with different names. (Here we have the result of the language barrier.


perhaps James Churchward was not so far off in his theories, presented in
Sacred Symbols of MU, Children of MU, etc.



posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 01:22 PM
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Ups i missed some questions I see! Sorry for the late reply! JustMe74!



Why should I stop talking about the Illuminati? I'll talk about what I want to talk about, thank you very much. My only point was that groups - like the Masons AND the Bavarian Illuminati (both of which were formed and/or flourished during the Enlightenment) were accused of a lot of things because they believed in changing the social order (Democracy vs. Monarchy). You do realize that the original critics of Masons were against the group because of this idea, right? And that they formulated all kinds of wild theories to discredit Masons, which are still being repeated today, right? I can easily back this up with references if you don't believe me.


you shouldn’t stop talking about them, just realize that the illuminati we speak of is not the Bavarian illuminati! The only resemblance is in the name! I would like some info on these mason critics of the medieval! If you can provide it! Not that I don’t believe you, would just like to read about it! But please no mason sites! Or at least back it up with some non mason sites! or articles or what ever! thank you!



I understand what you're saying, but the concept does not make logical sense. At the very least, there is absolutely no evidence, other than your opinion, to back up that statement.


How can you be so sure! I am looking in to and have a hard time doing it! I do how ever have access to some original writings / books from 1500+ AD, which I am going through as we speak!





shrub- You can believe what you want to! 8)

Shrub? Lol


Yes shrub!
en.wikipedia.org...



perhaps James Churchward was not so far off in his theories, presented in
Sacred Symbols of MU, Children of MU, etc


I haven’t read his books! But I agree that before the cradle of civilization i.e. Indo Europe was populated, the inhabitant’s cam from another place i.e. perhaps north of indo Europe from the mountains but this is speculation only!

I think I will buy his books and check them out! Have any one read them? Stalking wolf?

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posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 01:38 PM
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This here is "Smitty" the goat....You all seem to be taking yourselves wayyyy too seriously playing the "Im right, your wrong" game. Life is too short to argue over simplistic things. Go to a movie today...call a friend and tell them how much ya appreciate them compliment a stranger..or else....you will have to ride "Smitty"






posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 01:56 PM
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You all seem to be taking yourselves wayyyy too seriously playing the "Im right, your wrong" game. Life is too short to argue over simplistic things. Go to a movie today...call a friend and tell them how much ya appreciate them compliment a stranger


I don’t make jokes about Ragnarok! I am a illustrious member of the 1st wave 5th column. I am ready!

I live every day as where it my last!

I talk to friends every day!

I play with my son every day!

I love my woman every day!

I do how ever like to read and I read a lot, if that is to serious for you then for gods sake let me ride that Baphomet incarnation of Smitty

But thank you for the advice! And yes you are correct that one shouldn’t use all of his/her time in here!

A question how ever, do you think that the end of the world as we know it is a small thing?

Do you think that Illuminati (if they exist) are simplistic?

Thank you for adding a little humour to this thread! See you soon, on the plain of Ida!



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 04:26 PM
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Here is a little Slide Show!

And some helpful links to existing threads on ATS.




Here we have the eye and the numbers seven and nine!



The symbol of the ancient Egyptian mystery school!



Again here is the eye, in the symbol of the British MI-5!



The seal on top of each other! I.e. Eye pyramid and wings!



The eye and the star on a Masonic apron!



The eye the pyramid and the number 13! Ie. 13 olive branches, bars and stripes, feathers in the tail, arrows, letters in E Pluribus Unum, stars, stones, letters in Annuit Cueptis etc.



The eye!



More of the eye!



The star!



The star again!



And again!



And again!



More stars!



Yet again more stars!



The seal of Solomon!



David’s star!



The owl!



The owl again!



And again!



And again!



And again!



Here we have a “non Masonic” *lol* symbol in the Washington area, i.e. the white house!



The eagle! And the number 13!



The eagle again!



And again + the number 33!



The eagle and the US fasces!



Again the eagle and the fasces!





A WW2 nazi stamp, look at the eagle and the fasces!


This was a miniature slide show; I could keep on posting this. But this is just a little illustration!


Links to discussions on ATS; where are lot of good info is being posted!

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posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Here is a little Slide Show!


Great slide show! I enjoyed it


So what's your take on all this?

I see a masonic influence in all of them, quite frankly.



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 04:51 PM
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What’s my take? Well some one in here would perhaps say that I am the right hand of David Icky the Messiah! Others might say that I go to bed with the reptilian overlords a.k.a. the “chrome existent aluminized free masonry”!

I see a connection in the symbolism! That’s all.
And I would like some comments on that, from people in here!

My personal theory has something to do with the control and manipulation of the masses! And I see any “isme” and government as a tool for this! These governments have sub-tools we could call them religion, education and society! Etc.
I also see Free Masonry as a tool for this goal! But they are in no way in control! They are themselves being controlled, and in a very effective way!
Read in my first post what I say about the sheep pen!

Thank you for adding to this thread!





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