And the truth shall set you free! (The End)

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Free Masons know that real information "can't" be known! If real information could be had by every one, it would immediately become worthless. Information, by its very definition, implies IGNORANCE and EXCLUSIVITY. They require ignorance in order to be informed.

There are three ways to lie: by deliberate mis-statement; by leaving out relevant facts; by adding irrelevant facts. Free Masons use all three.

We have been arguing back and forth, and I have been called names that no one would ever dare say to my face. This will be my final statement and attempt to say what I think about the Free Masons and their allies, I have tried to bring some light on some of the issues, but have repeatedly been ridiculed and laughed at.
I will start with telling you what the Free Masons are composed of, and then I will try to expose their hidden agenda, this will be a long read as I have to go back some 8000 years and fourth to the present time.

"In the depths of my heart, I can't help being convinced that my fellowmen, with few exceptions, are worthless."

You need to first imprison the "human" mind with a rigid belief and a fundamentally limited sense of reality - the "sheep" pen. It doesn't much matter what the beliefs may be, so long as they are rigid and discourage free thought and open-minded questioning. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism, Confucianism, Zionism, Fascism, Capitalism, Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Absolutism, Agnosticism, Altruism, Atheism, Determinism, Dualism, Egoism, Emperism, Evolutionism, Hedonism, Idealism, Materialism, Monism, Mysticism, Naturalism, Pantheism, Pluralism, Pragmatism, Rationalism and Theism etc.
This is what the Free Masons implore, and use on their initiates! All "ism" is a control form; it is used to keep the "sheep" in place! It is used to manipulate the "sheep" into thinking they know what is going on! But they don’t. You then encourage those who follow these rigid beliefs to impose them on others and make life very difficult and unpleasant for anyone who does not conform.

"There's no money, there’s no possessions, only obsessions! Take my money, take my possessions, take my obsessions! I don't need that #."

Masonic Structure:

The most commonly known "cults" are the York rite and the Scottish rite, which are the basics of Free Masonry, then we have the more elite cults and they are named Red Cross, Knights Malta and Knights Templar. Also they are ruled by the Grand Council and the Ordo Templi Orients, they abide to their rules; the Masonic "cults" also include sub "cults" like the Eastern Star and the White Shrine. The "cult" is then divided into different ranks, the Scottish rite has 33 ranks, the O.T.O has 10 ranks and the York rite has 10 etc. You then have to go through these initiation ceremonies where you declare you allegiance and faith in the Great Architect of the Universe. What is the purpose of these initiation ceremonies? There is a simple answer for this; it is the same as any law: what is the purpose of law? OBEDIENCE! Obey or be punished! Obey or die, be exiled etc. etc.


Masonic Ranks:

Scottish rite!

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33° Inspector General
32° Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret
31° Inspector Inquisitor
30° Knight Kadosh
29° Grand Scottish Knight of Saint Andrew
28° Knight of the Sun, Adept
27° Knight Commander of Temple
26° Prince of Mercy
25° Prince of Brazen Serpent
24° Prince of Tabernacle
23° Chief of Tabernacle
22° Knight of Royal Axe
21° Prussian Knight or Noachite
20° Master, Symbolic Lodge
19° Pontiff
18° Knight Rose Croix
17° Knight of East and West
16° Prince of Jerusalem
15° Knight of Sword
14° Perfect Elu
13° Royal arch of Solomon
12° Master Architect
11° Elu of Twelve
10° Elu of Fifteen
9° Elu of Nine
8° Intendent of Building
7° Prevost and Judge
6° Confidential Secretary
5° Perfect Master
4° Secret Master
3° Master Mason
2° Fellowcraft
1° Entered Apprentice

York rite!

10° Order of Knights Templar
9° Order of Knights Malta
8° Order of Red Cross
7° Royal Arch Mason
6° Most Excellent Master
5° Past Master
4° Mark Master
3° Master Mason
2° Fellowcraft
1° Entered Apprentice

Ordo Templi Orients!

10° King Rex
9° Initiate of Sanctuary of Gnosis
8° Perfect Pontiff
7° Grand Inspector
6° Knight Templar
5° Knight of Pelican and Eagle
4° Knight of East and West
3° (?)
2° (?)
1° (?)

Knowledge is power.


If you store the world's knowledge..

all the knowledge from ancient times until now..

and store it and keep it secret..

that's the biggest wealth that you can have in the world.


Then you can sell chunks of that knowledge.

You could sell one chunk as one religion, another chunk as another religion..

and those chunks are so amazing to the people that you present it to..

who have had the knowledge hidden from them in the first place..

that it is revalationary..

and inspires belief and faith in that religion.


Now each chunk believes their chunk to be the holy truth..

but none of them see the whole truth..

and don't have access to all the knowledge that has been kept throughout the centuries..

by, collectively, what I call the Illuminati, and many others do..

the collecting of these old, old secret societies..

who have kept the libraries of conquered civilisations..

hoarded, held, sold and controlled.


Knowledge is power.

Masonic History:

The Masons are sun worshippers as almost every one else is, they worship a God called the great architect of the universe, this is very close to the name the great architect used in Egypt as a name for their pharaohs. Also their prophet or savior named Solomon, is actually only one word repeated three times, Sol = sun, Om = Sun and On = sun, so here we have a name that is Sunsunsun. The connections I am about to draw out for you, are Egypt - Babylon - Sumer - Rome - England - USA. Before we continue I would like to quote some lyrics made by Axel Rose;

“They were a black armband when they shot the man who said peace could last forever, and in my first memories the shot Kennedy I went numb when I learned to see.”

I have seen enough evidence to build the foundation of my theory against the Free Masons, no more parley no more peace talk, and I am aiming for the throat!

“We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials for example to create a vacuum, and then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances peace is closer!”

“Power Hungry!, selling soldiers in a human grocery store, ain’t that fresh?”

Biblical and Historical References (sub chapter):

The highest knowledge is unutterable, for it exists as an entity in lanes which transcend all material words or symbols. All symbols are but keys to doors leading to truths, and many times the door is not opened because the key seems so great that the things which are beyond it are not visible. If we can understand that all keys, all material symbols are manifestations, are but extensions of a great law and truth, we will begin to develop the vision which will enable us to penetrate beyond the veil.

I will try to prove in this sub chapter that the Babylonian, Sumer and Egyptian Empires were in fact one big empire run by the same rulers, the point of this is to prove that the Solomon and other Masonic figures are the same as the rest of the merry crowd; it is just another name for another part of the land.
So lets start with a famous Masonic character, the hero Hiram Abif (“the widow son”) as he is named by the masons, are not as they say a Babylonian Chief Architect but actually an Egyptian architect named Harem Atif (“Hiram is my father”) which was under the rule of the great pharaoh Sheshonq I, who is the true King Solomon. So here we see that their so called history intermingle or let me say this “it is the Egyptian history” rewritten to fid their perverted needs. So why would they claim all this? If they know it isn’t true. To hide a simple fact, it is the same “people” that have controlled the world under different names! The Illuminated Free Masonry knows about this, and hides the truth from their own disciples of this perverted blood cult. Also the Free Masons as we know them today originate from old mystery schools as Comacine Masters and Dionysian Artificers, the evidence is in their obsessed use of symbols it is simply the same ones. Also the knights Templar is behind the building of many European cathedrals and have build them by the old sacred geometry from Sumer and Egypt.

The word for axe in Egypt was neter, which is very close to neter-kherti, a term that means quarry man or stonemason. This is highly likely to be the real meaning of the axe in the symbol fasces. The axe is also associated with the goddess, the key figure in illuminati rituals. Ma’at was sometimes portrayed holding the fasces and a flame. The 22° of the Scottish rite is called “Knight of Royal Axe”

Source: Tempest and Exodus / Tales from the Time Loop


The following quote is a Free Masonic explanation of the 22° in the Scottish rite:

This degree teaches that all labor is honorable, and the “tolling millions” should be respected and assisted. The Phoenicians, especially those of the city of Tsidun, are remembered as those who cut cedars on Mount Libanus for Noah’s Ark, as well as the Ark of the Covenant and the temples of Jerusalem. The peoples of Phoenicia, Hiram of Tyre and Hiram Abif included, were tied to the Israelites by the fact that they shared the mysteries , and it is even said that the Etrurian and Roman colleagues of Artificers descended from them via the Hyksos. The lodge, styled a college, has two apartments. The first is a plain room which represents a workshop on Mount Libanus. Here the senior warden, or “master carpenter,” presides. The second room apartment is hung in red, lighted by 36 lights, and is called the council room of the round table. The brethren sit at a round wooden table, and the alter in the east holds the 3 great lights and an axe. Battery: [2:2:2]. The apron is white, bordered in purple, and contains a three headed serpent and a table with instruments and plans on it. The jewel is an axe and handle of gold. On the top of the handle is the signature of Noah and Solomon. In the middle of the handle are the initials of Libanus and Tsidun. On the blade are the initials of Adoniram, Cyrus, Darius, Zerubabbel, Nehemiah, Ezra (on one side), and Shem, Kham, Yapheth, Moses, Ahaliab, Betselal (on the other).

Source: The Book of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.


Now remember their own reference to the subjects of Hyksos and also remember what I wrote about Hiram Abif and Solomon.

But first the Fasces, what is this "fine" symbol? Well I will start by telling you about the "people" and countries that use it: Egyptian Pharaohs, Babylonian Kings, Sumerian Kings, Roman Emperors, Hitler, Mussolini and the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!!! To name a few!
We see it on old roman and Egyptian writings and pictures, we see it on Nazi and fascist stamps and buildings, also we see it in Free Masonic references and "hold on here" in almost all of the Americans government buildings, on their money and National Guard emblem etc. Now we have to remember, and this is very important, the Free Masons are not the ruling party of this world! The non-existent Illuminised Free Masons, are just a small part of the Illuminati, committee of 300 and black nobility etc. etc. Again remember this is a hierarchal pyramid structure, the "people" in this structure only knows of the ruling party right on top of them selves! Hence; this is why they use this ancient and tested form of control! "The pyramid within the pyramid". But it would be fair to say, that the Free Masons control most of USA, and perhaps have deep roots in UN/WHO/NATO/EU etc. They also have ties to Zionism and Israel! Also they have ties and are tied to; GATT, WTO, Round Table, Bank of England, federal reserve, world bank, IMF, club of Rome, Trilateral commission, Bilderberg, council on foreign relations, OECD, G8, UNESCO and most multi national companies. The round table is in turn connected to; Dutchey Foundation, CFR, Trilateral Commission, IISS, Bilderberg, Rhodes Scholars, Aspen institute for humanistic institute, Canadian institute for internal affairs, CBA, Union of concerned scientist, RIIA, MI6, PERMINDEX, NRO, and are connected to the committee of 300 which control east India and west India Co. china's and Afghanistan’s opium trade. UN, US NRO. and have some influence on Brookings institute, Hudson institute, Wharton school of economics (uni of Pennsylvania), RAND Club of Rome, Institute for social research, Princeton institute for advanced studies, social psychiatry, Harvard psychiatric clinic, SRI, CIA, MK-ULTRA, and off course the STAR group (insurance, banking, real estate, entertainment and high tech (cybernetics, HAARP, communications, etc.)), Also as a side note, the Free Masons are connected to the Order of St. John, Teutonic Knights, Knights Hospitaller and Priory of Sion*, but all this is for another thread. So as you can see it is all intertwined, and they all serve to help the agenda of Manipulation and Control.

*Remember this Sion aka. Zion.

A person is thought to be great souled if he claims much and deserves much... He that claims less than he deserves is small souled... The truly great souled man must be a good man...Greatness of soul seems... a crowning ornament of all the virtues... Great honors accorded by persons of worth will afford pleasure in moderate degree: he will feel he is receiving only what belongs to him, or even less, for no honor can be adequate to the merits of perfect virtue, yet all the same he will deign to accept their honors, because they have no greater tribute to offer him. Honor will be rendered by common people and on trivial grounds he will utterly despise, for this is not what he merits... He therefore to whom even honor is a small thing will be indifferent to other things as well. Hence great souled men are thought to be haughty...The great souled man is justified in despising other people - his estimates are correct; but most proud men have no good ground for their pride... He is fond of conferring benefits, but ashamed to receive them, because the former is a mark of superiority and the latter inferiority. He returns a service done to him with interest, since this will put the original benefactor into his debt in turn, and make him the party benefited. The great souled are said to have a good memory for any benefit they have conferred, but a bad memory for those which they have received...It is also characteristic of the great souled men never to ask help from others, or only with reluctance, but to render aid willingly; and to be haughty towards men of position and fortune, but courteous towards those of moderate station... And to adopt a high manner with the former is not ill-bred, but it is vulgar to lord it over humble people... He shows timidity; and care more for truth than for what people will think;... He is outspoken and frank, except when speaking with ironical self-deprecation, as he does to common people. He will be incapable of living of the will of another, UNLESS A FREIND*, since to do so is slavish... He does not bear a grudge, for it is not the mark of greatness of soul to recall things against people, especially the wrongs they have done you, but rather overlook them. He is... not giving to speaking evil himself, even of his enemies, except when he deliberately intends to give offence... Such then being the great souled man, corresponding character on the side of deficiency is the small souled man, and on that excess the vain man.

All emphasis added by me.

* Mason friend perhaps? If my master is my friend I am not a slave? Perhaps it could be understood as this "you can only have one master, and that master is your friend" either way he talks about obedience and the vain man, the petty man! THE SMALL MAN! Free Masons are great men according to them selves! Perhaps they would even say they are great souled men! Does that make us non mason’s small men or small souled men? Or perhaps even VAIN MEN?...

Was Aristotle a mason or part of the Illuminati? I actually like this quote, but there are a lot of "subliminal" messages in this quote! Also; Aristotle was the teacher of Alexander the Great! Who was assassinated on he's 33rd birthday, under very suspicious events. Alexander was also known as the "serpent son" and he founded Alexandria i.e. the city of the serpent son.

All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level that even the most stupid of those toward it is directed will understand it. People can be made to perceive paradise as hell, and the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.

According to the Egyptian account of creation, only the ocean existed at first. Then Ra, the sun, came out of an egg or a flower that appeared on the surface of the water. Ra brought forth four children, the gods Shu and Geb and the goddesses Tefnut and Nut. Shu and Tefnut became the atmosphere. They stood on Geb, who became the earth, and rose up Nut, who became the sky. Ra ruled over all. Geb and Nut later had two sons, Set and Osiris, and two daughters, Isis and Nephthys. Osiris succeeded Ra as king of the earth, helped by Isis, his sister-wife. Set, however, hated his brother and killed him. Isis then embalmed her husband's body with the help of the god Anubis, who thus became the god of embalming. The powerful charms of Isis resurrected Osiris, who became king of the netherworld, the land of the dead. Horus, who was the son of Osiris and Isis, later defeated Set in a great battle and became king of the earth.

From this myth of creation came the conception of the ennead, a group of nine divinities, and the triad, consisting of a divine father, mother, and son. Every local temple in Egypt possessed its own ennead and triad. The greatest ennead, however, was that of Ra and his children and grandchildren. This group was worshiped at Heliopolis, the center of sun worship. The origin of the local deities is obscure; some of them were taken over from foreign religions, and some were originally the animal gods of prehistoric Africa. Gradually, they were all fused into a complicated religious structure, although comparatively few local divinities became important throughout Egypt. In addition to those already named, the important divinities included the gods Amon, Thoth, Ptah, Khnemu, and Hapi, and the goddesses Hathor, Mut, Neit, and Sekhet. Their importance increased with the political ascendancy of the localities where they were worshiped. For example, the ennead of Memphis was headed by a triad composed of the father Ptah, the mother Sekhet, and the son Imhotep. Therefore, during the Memphite dynasties, Ptah became one of the greatest gods in Egypt. Similarly, when the Theban dynasties ruled Egypt, the ennead of Thebes was given the most importance, headed by the father Amon, the mother Mut, and the son Khonsu. As the religion became more involved, true deities were sometimes confused with human beings who had been glorified after death. Thus, Imhotep, who was originally the chief minister of the 3rd Dynasty ruler Zoser, was later regarded as a demigod. During the 5th Dynasty the pharaohs began to claim divine ancestry and from that time on were worshiped as sons of Ra. Minor gods, some merely demons, were also given places in local divine hierarchies.

Apep was the Egyptian god of evil, an immense snake who nightly attempts to devour the sun, only to be Defeated at dawn eternally, until the last dawn. The last dawn of the Egyptians is described in Plate Ten of the Papyri of Ani, the Egyptian Book of the Dead. This same plate of the Papyri contains a hymn to Apep, a curious Anomaly when one considers that Apep is incarnate evil and hymns are reserved for the praise of kindly deities. The Juxtaposition of the Egyptian Apocalypse with the only extant hymn to Apep is not coincidental. The two are commentaries Upon each other, and they reveal the vestigial remains of a Snake-Sun cult that is older than the Egyptian Old Kingdom.

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Remember that Maat aka. Themis and Justitia with the sword, scale and blindfold. Is a symbol of TRUTH and JUSTICE!

"THE WINGED SERPENT STAFF OF THOTH, was also the symbol of the Sumerian Ninhursag, Greek Hermes, and Roman Mercury."

"Thoth was the wisest of the Egyptian gods. His other names include -Djhuty, Djehuty, Dhouti, Djehuti, Tehuty, Tehuti, Thout, Zehuti, Sheps, Lord of the Khemenu."

"Thoth was usually depicted with the head of an Ibis. He was the Scribe who wrote the story of our Reality then placed it into grids for us to experience and learn."

"He was also called the God of the Moon. He created everything."

"He was sometimes depicted as a seated baboon-headed dog."

"The name Thoth means 'Truth' and 'Time'. Thoth was the Master architect who created the blueprint of our reality based on the mathematics of sacred geometry. It is here - in the Duality of our experience - reflected in gods and goddesses, the landscapes of Egypt including the pyramids and temples - the myths and metaphors - that we experience time and emotions. Above is the ibis headed god of Thoth. Notice how this scribe gods head is shaped exactly as an early compass, as in the Freemason symbol of the Square and compass below?"

"Even Thoth himself is seen in many other forms BEFORE and after Egypt. The Sumerian Ninhursag was a motherly goddess of wisdom who held the guarded CADUCEUS entwined serpents up a winged staff, 2000 years before Thoth adopted this symbol. The Greek Hermes is the mirror of Thoth, holding the Caduceus as well, and being the wisest of the gods. Mercury is Thoth from Rome at 500BC. Mercury held the Caduceus symbol as well and was believed to be wisest of the gods because He was the closest PLANET to the power and knowledge of the Sun."

"Technically Ninhursag is the proto-type of Thoth, being a protective and nurturing mother figure who guarded the King. Thoth guarded Pharaoh Osiris as well, when Osiris was cut into 14 parts by the serpent god Seth.-Ninhursag, Thoth, Hermes and Mercury are all protectors of the fire of knowledge. The knowledge of the truer path. But this answer is made from a puzzle, and many parts of mis-direction and misinformation are scattered in the midst to divert
our perception from our REAL history."

"The story of Osiris/Horus/Isis is the same allegory as the Sumerian Inana/Dumuzi, Hindu Krishna, Persian Mithra, Babylonian Ishtar/Tammuz, Mexican Quetzelcoatl/Venus, and Jesus and Mary. The secret of Mary Magdeline that the Templars and Merovingians supposedly hold, isn't that Mary and Christ survived the cross and birthed a royal French dynasty, but that Mary Magdeline, and Mary Mother of Jesus are meant to be the SAME woman/goddess! Just as all of the other gods/goddesses mentioned are mother/sister/husband composites"

My thanks to goes to preZ* from AO, for "lending" me the above statements! As i see no reason to re-write it, as he "paints" the "picture" very well.

The Forty-Seventh Proposition of Euclid

The Pythagorean theorem states that for any right triangle the sum of the squares of its two legs equals the square of its hypotenuse (a2 + b2 = c2). Or we could frame it as the sum of the square of the horizontal and the square of the perpendicular equals the square of the hypotenuse. We know this formulation was known before Pythagoras - there is evidence in ancient Egyptian work, ancient China (the Chou Pei manuscript), and the megalith builders.
Regardless, it is attributed to Pythagoras and two hundred years later Euclid compiled his "Elements of Mathematics" where this particular proposition is found in Book One. (47th) In every right angle triangle the square on the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides. (48th) If the square described on one of the sides of a triangle is equal to the square described on the other sides, then the angle contained by these two sides is a right angle. This theorem has been called the root of all geometry and the cornerstone of mathematics. The practical applications alone are worthy of the high esteem that Masonry affords it. And this is the interpretation of the lecture that is most considered when masons speak of it But the meaning of this hieroglyphically emblem does not stop there. The emblem we are usually presented is the 3,4,5 right triangle in this fashion: The vertical line is of 3 units, the horizontal is of 4 units, and the hypotenuse is of 5 units. Not only is our attention called to this geometrical figure in the Master Mason degree, it is also prominent in the Scottish Rite in the 20th Degree - Master of the Symbolic Lodge and in the 25th Degree - Knight of the Brazen Serpent. Rex Hutchens, commenting upon the 20th Degree in his book on the Scottish Rite explains that: Nine is a perfect number, being the triple of three. There are nine candles in three groups of three each on the East, West, and South of the Altar. They form a graphic representation of the 47th Problem It makes no difference in the equation if the other two angles are 45 degrees each or 30 degrees and 60 degrees or 5 degrees and 85 degrees. Because of the mystic meaning associated with numbers by the ancients, they considered the most beautiful triangle of all, the right angled triangle with sides of 3,4 and 5 units of measure. (Rex Hutchens, The Bridge to light, p.171) In the 25th Degree commentary Hutchens describes the setting of this degree: The ceremony takes place in four apartments. They are all remarkable in their simplicity. The first is called the House of the Earth. ...The second apartment is called the House of the Planets. The third apartment is ... styled the House of the Sun and Moon.... The principal chamber is called the House of the Light.Nine lights (candles) are arranged on the altar in groups of three, forming a representation of the Pythagorean Theorem,... (The Bridge to Light, p.215) The evidence that the particular triangle alluded to in the Monitor is the 3,4,5 right triangle can be derived from the odd comments about Pythagoras' exclamation "Eureka" in the Grecian language. Here is where we can begin to apply the investigative tools of what is called gematria. As you know the ancient letters were also numbers. The correlation of numbers with letters gave ample opportunity to nest hidden meaning within words, phrases, and names. For example, if we take the word "Eureka" in Greek and consider the letters as numbers instead of letters, add them up to get a total value we get 534 - the units of this special triangle. Maybe we can even find hints of this geometry in earlier degrees. A very interesting technique of symbolism can be seen when two different types of symbolism are fused together or alluded to by one another such as a legend that contains mathematical symbolism. For example, many of the blacksmiths of the gods were crippled or lame. In many cases the Sacred King was lame. The destiny of the Sacred King was to lose his life as a sacrifice; an act which will regenerate the world. Usually the lameness and sacrifice was deliberately caused. Vergil wrote a poem wherein the Queen who is resolved to die offering herself as a victim in the fire, he writes: "beside the altars, with one foot unshod, she calls as one about to die upon the gods and upon the doom-witnessing stars." There is an association between lameness and having one foot unshod. And in the idea of sacrifice and redemption. There is a Byzantine painting known as "Our Lady of Perpetual Help". This painting is of the Madonna holding her divine child. On each side of them there is an angel who holds some of the images associated with the Crucililion. The divine child is looking at one angel and one of his shoes is falling off. We can even find this idea in the slanting foot-rest of the Russian Cross in the Eastern Churches. We can develop this further. In geometry, there are three types of triangles: equilateral, isosceles and scalene. The equilateral triangle has 3 equal sides; the isosceles has 2 equal sides, and the scalene triangle has no equal sides. Scalene means "uneven"; it also means "limping". Of all the infinite scalene triangles, the one thought of by the ancients as special - the king of them all, was the 3,4,5 unit triangle. This one had the special properties and it grew to have mystical properties as well. In so considering the symbolism of the Egyptian structure one author states: And so beneath the ideal pyramid, with its four great equilaterals pointing heavenward as they converge above the center of the basal square... there would be sacrificed, hidden in the foundations so to speak, a limping but necessary scalene, supplying the all-important right angle for the base and for the central elevation. (Denning & Philips, The Magical Philosophy, Vol. 2 p.58) As we consider geometry as symbolism as well as Truth, we have to think of it as the ancients did. Pythagoras said "All is Number" and in The Republic, Plato wrote: "The knowledge at which geometry alms is the knowledge of the Eternal." The Eternal was to Plato the archetypal Forms, or the timeless truths of existence. In other words, the foundation of the universe. That aspect of the universe which always was and ever will be.

Also we need to take into account Prometheus! As he has great meaning to the Free Masons! but for now lets focus on Hyksos, Solomon and Hiram Abif: The Sumerian history includes a tale about King Sargon, the Akkadian King. Which resembles, or let me say; IT IS THE HISTORY OF THE LATER HEBREW MOSES.
This tells us again that it is the same history re-written, when history talks about the son of god, what they mean is the son of the SUN. Jesus was not the son of god, but the son of the sun, as pharaohs and Sumerian Kings etc. also called them selves. As we see the same gods under different names, we also se the same Kings, pharaohs and emperors under different names.
For reference we can take into account, the Sumerian tablets which is from around 2000 BC. They speak of the "King in the basket", "EDEN" and "The great flood".
So to make a quick translation dictionary, of the" HOLY" scriptures, you can use this as thought of a red thread, it is not complete and it is not perfect, but it will do for now.

God = Gods i.e. the gods who walked with "man" or the one god ie. The sun or THE POWER BEHIND THE SUN.
Hero = Not a god, not a human, child of the gods.
Angel = Messenger of the gods.
Ra = Shamash (winged sun disc)
Sons of shem = sons of the sun, sons of ra.

The Hyksos are known as the "shepherd Kings" and "rulers of foreign land", they are said to have invaded Egypt around 1700 BC, they put into power these "priest Kings" or pharaohs, who were then learned about the secrets of Keops i.e. pyramid of Giza aka. Mount ZION. And about the mystery schools, i.e. the Free Masonic "fore fathers"!
Now who was one of those "priest Kings"? Pharaoh Sheshonq I, aka. King Solomon i.e. the savior of the Free Masons? As evidence suggest the Hyksos are a bloodline from ancient Sumer, two Sumerian Kings were called "shepherd kings", and the Sumer / Egypt history is the same as I have pointed out.

"The historical record of Sumer runs substantially parallel to that of Egypt, dating back to some 3000 BC, with the king lists much the same as to be found in Egypt. Historically, it would appear that at some point in history, elements of the Sumerian culture sailed across to Egypt and that the first dynasty of Egypt, therefore, had much in common with the Sumerian peoples."

Source: Jesus, Last of the Pharaohs.

But evidence tells me that the "shepherd Kings" didn't invade, they were all ready there! They just started a "revolution", the "sheep" vs. the reigning "bull", hence their name "shepherd Kings"! So here we have Aries vs. Taurus i.e. shepherd and cattle story aka. Jacob vs. Laban. Aries vs. Pisces i.e. shepherd and fishers of men etc. And now we have Pisces vs. Aquarius. I could go on and on with examples like this, etc. Abraham is in fact a pharaoh called Sheshi, whose throne name was Mayebra! Abraham’s son Isaac was a Hyksos pharaoh called Anathar, and Isaacs’s son Jacob was again a Hyksos pharaoh called Yacobaam.
Yacobaam had the 12 sons that founded Is-Ra-El i.e. Isis - Ra - Eli or the trinity if youd like. aka. the 12 tribes of Is-Ra-El.
Then around 1600 BC, the people of Abraham left Egypt to invade Jerusalem, also we have the Jewish writer Josephus who describes the fleeing Hyksos as "our ancestors". But the Hyksos did return to Egypt, as written in the story of Joseph. The Hyksos have deep ties to the Egyptian mystery schools at Heliopolis.

"Both Amenhotep II and Amenhotep III were called "Hyk" in their royal title - meaning "shepherd king", more interestingly, their origins are also listed in the record and Amenhotep II's full title is "Hyksos King of Heliopolis"; which makes sense as this was the sacred temple and university of the Hyksos princes. Egyptologist is strangely silent on this fact."

The Hyksos King David aka. Psusennes II father of Solomon aka Sheshonq I, were "priest Kings", this is why it is told that Sol-Om-On, had these great magic powers. Also King David aka. Psunennes II, was the First to put hieroglyphs in the Keops pyramid i.e. pyramid at Giza aka. Mount Zion. So to set the record straight Solomon’s temple is not in Babylon but Tanis i.e. Tcian or Zian, on the eastern delta.
Then we have the BenBen stone; which stands inside the temple of the phoenix, (remember that the phoenix is to be used in the Free Masonic Great Seal of the US. currency.)


"The U.S. Great Seals on the One Dollar Bill are Egyptian in Origin. The ALL SEEING EYE AND PYRAMID, and the Eagle of the PHOENIX. The Phoenix comes from PRE-PYRAMID AGE Egypt with the fiery Benu Bird."

"The Benu bird was worshipped by the Sun cult of BenBen, and the first altar in Egypt was erected to the BenBen stone and holy obelisk. The BenBen stone was pyramid shaped and the obelisk itself was said to have sprouted/self created from the primordial MOUND at the dawn of creation. It was believed that the BenBen stone was the unification of the petrified SEMEN of the Benu bird, and the Pharaoh."

"The Benu is another Egyptian sun bird resembling a heron. It is identified with Ra the sun god. Benu means Ascending One, Purple Heron and Palm Tree."

"Like the phoenix, this bird was identified with the temple to the sun gods at Heliopolis. The Benu was also known to be a symbol of Osiris incarnate, renewing itself. It has a two long feathers on the crest of its head and was often crowned with the Atef crown of Osiris (the White Crown with two ostrich plumes on either side) or with the disk of the sun."

"The Phoenix and the Benu - The same:

Each was a primordial god, which built its nest on the willow which is on the top of the primordial hill.

The deities Re (Ra) - and Atum were akin to the symbolic meaning of both.

Because of its birdlike nature, the phoenix was called "ba of Re" - the soul of Re. The Bennu was also associated with the sun and represented the 'ba' or soul of the sun god, Re.

The soul was believed to be a birdlike spiritual being.

As a deity of creation and life it was also associated with Osiris.

The phoenix was called "the famous ba, which came out of the heart of Osiris".

There was a connection to the deity Kepera (the scarab-god), the Lord of Life and Death.

The phoenix supposedly burns itself in his nest on the hill (sunset) and is being reborn the next morning. The hill is being located on the Flaming Isle of Re in the East, where the sun rises.

At Koptos in Egypt, the Bennu bird is depicted with two human arms stretched upwards and outwards toward the star Sothis - Sirius , which appears in the early sky before the sun rises.

The Phoenix/Bennu bird is said to arise 'at dawn from the waters of the Nile'. It is linked with summer.

The Bennu was the sacred bird of Heliopolis. Bennu probably derives from the word weben, meaning "rise" or "shine." In the Late Period, the hieroglyph of the bird was used to represent this deity directly. As a symbol of the rising and setting sun, the Bennu was also the lord of the royal jubilee.

The Bennu was also associated with the inundation of the Nile and of the creation. Standing alone on isolated rocks of islands of high ground during the floods the heron represented the first life to appear on the primeval mound which rose from the watery chaos at the first creation. This mound was called the ben-ben.

The Bennu was also considered a manifestation of the resurrected Osiris and the bird was often shown perched in his sacred willow tree.

Resurrection; Christ consumed in the fires of Passion and rising again on the third day; triumph over death; faith; constancy; Christ's divine nature (as the Pelican was of his human nature).

In early Christian tradition the phoenix was adopted as being resurrection and immortality. Through Christian eyes, we are taught to believe in the resurrection, as Christ himself exhibited the character of the phoenix: "I have the power to lay down my life and to take it up again."

Using Christ's life as an example, one can live a similar learning life of rejuvenation.

The phoenix makes a coffin and fills it with fine smelling spices, then dies where the stink of corruption is (effaced) by (agreeable) smells.

Man may make a coffin of faith, faith being Christ, who sheathes and protects you in days of trouble. Your good spices are your virtues-chastity, compassion, and justice, being odors of noble deeds, sweet in life (as Christian doctrine dictates).

Depart from life with the clothing of this faith, and as St. Paul states, "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith, the crown of justice is restored to me."

Thus, as with all other symbols, there is a cycle, a returning to something, as in many things of life. A symbol occurs because of its reflective association (the return) with the one viewing the symbol. It is lived through the interpretation of the viewer.

In alchemy the androgenous figure of a combined male/female form is the most holy of cosmic manifestations."

Again my thanks goes to preZ, from AO for lending me the above statements.

But for now lets go back to the Sumer - Babylonian - Egypt connection. The Babylonian trinity consist of; Nimrod (the fish), his son Tammuz (who died for our sins), Semiramis (the dove) aka. Father, son and the holy ghost. As we see, we also have Mary (virgin mother of Jesus, who is Isis (virgin mother of Horus) and Semiramis (virgin mother of Tammuz). Tammuz was also the son of god aka. the SUN! This is why the Free Masons, orientate their temples to the east, they face GOD! Also the Nimrod/Semiramis story is the same as the Osiris/Isis story. More names of Mary is Semiramis, Athena, Minerva, Astarte, Cybde, Astoreth, Diana aka. The MOON!

!!IT IS THE SAME HISTORY!!

Free Masons know this, they know that all religion is from pre-Christian or pre-Jewish rituals, where we worship the sun and the ancient bloodlines of Hyksos etc. Now lets focus a little on Hiram or should i say Harem, Harem is a priestly title in Egypt as with Haremheb etc. in Arab temple mount is Harem a-Sharif. But we can trace these "cults" all around the world, but for know lets point our noses at England, and remember the Dragon / serpent connection to god aka. Gods.


The Roman England connection (sub chapter):

Not going to go into great detail here, as much is all ready written about the Roman Empire! Just to point out some relevant facts; I would like to say that the mystery schools have a big influence on the creation of the Vatican state and the dawn of Christianity. Also the Jesuits play a large part, but as I say there is all ready enough written on this!
Then for a short time the control moves to Holland, with William of orange playing a large part in this! And from there they went on to invade England! Around 1700 AD…
I know this is a large jump but this subject is well written and I don’t feel I can ad anything here! And as I have all ready exceeded my quoting limit, I will have to hold back for now, but I will happily add to any questions and provide links and sources if needed for this period!
To the coronation of the British monarchs, we see it is very much indeed inspired by Egypt, it is actually the same coronation performed by the high priest of the old mystery schools! We have the “god save the queen” which was used in the Old Testament at King Sauls coronation, we have the “scone stone”, the scepter and the rod, and also the anointment which have deep ties to Egypt and the serpent (crocodile). This was used in coronation ceremonies by the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs. This is used to elevate the monarch to the rank of HIGH PRIEST!
Then of course, we must not forget the CROWN aka. The city within the city, this is a privately owned corporation owned by the Free Masons, it is always “run” by a council of 12-14 men, and the Lord Mayor of the city is ALWAYS a Free Mason. The sitting monarch has to bow and get permission to enter by the Lord Mayor.


The Mason connection to the United States of America (sub chapter):

Well as the above sub chapter, not much is needed to say here, as this is also well documented!
Just a few facts for you guys to play with, for instance; of the 55 signatories who signed the independence declaration 50 were Free Masons.
The Great seal, well I aren’t even going there, I find it very funny though how Free Masons always got some of their own guys in the big projects like Buzz Aldrin (the moon), Douglas Macarthur (Korean war), Harry S. Truman (Hiroshima and Nagasaki), Benjamin Franklin etc. etc. etc. etc.

And to name a few mason presidents;

GEORGE WASHINGTON
THOMAS JEFFERSON
JAMES MADISON
JAMES MONROE
ANDREW JACKSON
JAMES KNOX POLK
JAMES BUCHANAN
ANDREW JOHNSON
WILLIAM McKINLEY
THEODORE ROOSEVELT
WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT
WARREN GAMALIEL HARDING
FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT
HARRY S. TRUMAN
GERALD R. FORD

But as you can see, not much is needed to add on the later dates as it is all too well documented!
This finishes this little article, if I may call it that!


To the moderators on this forum, I here by INVOKE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!
I am an envoy of the Anti Masonic Free League! I say ban me, kick me and censor me! I dare you.

Who are the richest people in the world? Well, it has to be the bankers who own the printing
press and are loaning the money, doesn't it? The IMF owns 2/3rds of the worlds gold.
Every time there is a small increase in the value gold, that makes the IMF exponentially richer,
and exponentially more powerful. The IMF, with the world bank connect to the central banks of all
but 5 nations of the world. They loan the money to nations and taxes are collected as payment.
The world bank currently receives more money in interest repayments than they are loaning out.
Where does this lead? The UN starts talking ownership and control of real assets.. land, estate
and even law of those nations.

Quote taken from my good friend StoneSkull

NeonHelmet
Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire Of The Neutral Zone
Son of Balder

Come get me, if you dare! *ROFLMAOPAO*



Ps: this was written in word, and I used times new roman, and size 12, so perhaps this will look awkward in this forum, to bad, I can email you the doc. If you’d like!

[edit on 26-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]

[edit on 27-7-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Everything you have claimed is your own assumption and supposition. Pure heresay and fantasy. Do some real research, post some relevant information, and maybe then I will bother replying to your posts regarding Freemasonry.

But don't think FOR ONE SECOND that you can post your own beliefs here and try to pass them off as FACT. They are NOT FACTS, they are your own beliefs. We here strive to deny ignorance, and that means denying posts from people like you.

Here's just ONE claims which shows how full of it you are:

The most commonly known "cults" are the York rite and the Scottish rite, which are the basics of Free Masonry

The BASIC branch of Freemasonry is Blue Lodge Freemasonry. ALL masons must pass through this branch. NO mason must join either rite you mentioned. They are APPENDANT BODIES.

To the moderators on this forum, I here by INVOKE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!
I am an envoy of the Anti Masonic Free League! I say ban me, kick me and censor me! I dare you.

You are a Troll.


[edit on 26-7-2005 by sebatwerk]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Everything you have claimed is your own assumption and supposition. Pure heresay and fantasy. Do some real research, post some relevant information, and maybe then I will bother replying to your posts regarding Freemasonry.

But don't think FOR ONE SECOND that you can post your own beliefs here and try to pass them off as FACT. They are NOT FACTS, they are your own beliefs. We here strive to deny ignorance, and that means denying posts from people like you.

Here's just ONE claims which shows how full of it you are:

The BASIC branch of Freemasonry is Blue Lodge Freemasonry. ALL masons must pass through this branch. NO mason must join either rite you mentioned. They are APPENDANT BODIES.

Bah the blue lodge is nothing! it is a "filter" made by masons, it is not the "cult" within the "cult" i am talking about and you know it!

Come on give me a better shot, that one didnt even hurt!
And if you made som research instead of attacking my person as you ALWAYS do you wouldn't be so ignorant your self!

There are three ways to lie: by deliberate mis-statement; by leaving out relevant facts; by adding irrelevant facts. Free Masons use all three.

[edit on 26-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Bah the blue lodge is nothing! it is a "filter" made by masons, it is not the "cult" within the "cult" i am talking about and you know it!

WRONG! The York and Scottish Rites are only APPENDANT degrees, and only elaborate on the lessons, symbols and rituals of the Craft degrees.

Come on give me a better shot, that one didnt even hurt!
And if you made som research instead of attacking my person as you ALWAYS do you wouldn't be so ignorant your self!

There are three ways to lie: by deliberate mis-statement; by leaving out relevant facts; by adding irrelevant facts. Free Masons use all three.

Damn you REALLY don't know anything, do you? You are a typical anti-mason who reads some BS on Freemasonrywatch and then repeats it like it's his own research. Give it up.

WRONG! The York and Scottish Rites are only APPENDANT degrees, and only elaborate on the lessons, symbols and rituals of the Craft degrees.

Damn you REALLY don't know anything, do you? You are a typical anti-mason who reads some BS on Freemasonrywatch and then repeats it like it's his own research. Give it up.

Ohh, so tell me of one blue lodge mason aka. master mason aka. 3rd degree mason who is in the OTO or Grand Council? just one? come on!
And YOU VERY WELL KNOW THAT THE TRUE MEANING OF THESE SYMBOLS ARE HIDEN AND ONLY REVEALED IF YOU ADVANCE THROUGH THE SYSTEM!

And Sabat you can do better, come on more personal attacks, come on i dare you!

And btw, dont compare me to MrNecros please! i do real research and if you read what i write you would know it! it is deep and well sourced!
Look it up instead of just complaining!

[edit on 26-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]

Thank you Neonhelmet, we walking wounded victims of "brother/sisterhoods" do appreciate your time and effort . As usual Sebatwerk can only insult those who aren't blinded. Again, THANK YOU!

"To the moderators on this forum, I here by INVOKE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!
I am an envoy of the Anti Masonic Free League! I say ban me, kick me and censor me! I dare you.

Well, a mod might just come along and do what the poster requested. That does seem suspiciously troll-like activity though, it has to be said.

Regardless - for the love of all things good and chocolatey, could we at least keep this thread civil, if it's to remain a thread at all?

Thanks evahsomuch.

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
the O.T.O has 10 ranks

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Ordo Templi Orients!

10° King Rex
9° Initiate of Sanctuary of Gnosis
8° Perfect Pontiff
7° Grand Inspector
6° Knight Templar
5° Knight of Pelican and Eagle
4° Knight of East and West
3° (?)
2° (?)
1° (?)

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
i do real research and if you read what i write you would know it! it is deep and well sourced!
Look it up instead of just complaining!

You did real research and you didn't even get the O.T.O. degrees or titles correct??

0° Minerval
I° Man and Brother/ Woman and Sister
II° Magician
III° Master Magician
IV° Perfect Magician and companion of the Holy Royal Arch of Enoch / Perfect Initiate, or Prince of Jerusalem
PI Knight of the East and West
V° Sovereign Prince Rose-Croix, and Knight of the Pelican and Eagle/ Knight of the Red Eagle, and Member of the Senate of Knight Hermetic Philosophers
VI° Illustrious Knight (Templar) of the Order of Kadosch, and Companion of the Holy Graal / Grand Inquisitor Commander, and Member of the Grand Tribunal / Prince of the Royal Secret
VII° Theoreticus, and Very Illustrious Sovereign Grand Inspector General / Magus of Light, and Bishop of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica / Grandmaster of Light, and Inspector of Rites and Degrees
VIII° Perfect Pontiff of the Illuminati / Epopt of the Illuminati
IX° Initiate of the Sanctuary of the Gnosis
X° Rex Summus Sanctissimus
XI° Initiate of the Eleventh Degree (This degree is technical, and has no relation to the general plan of the Order)
XII° Frater Superior, and Outer Head of the Order

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Ohh, so tell me of one blue lodge mason aka. master mason aka. 3rd degree mason who is in the OTO or Grand Council? just one? come on!

Grand Council? OTO? What are you talking about? Neither of these things has to do with Freemasonry, unless by Grand Council you are referring to the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite's US Souther jurisdiction. If you are, then it's obvious that all of those masons would be 32nd or 33rd degree masons, because they are part of the scottish rite! Duh!

As for GRAND LODGES, there are MANY Grand Lodge officers who never joined the Scottish or York Rite, and are only 3rd degree master masons.

And YOU VERY WELL KNOW THAT THE TRUE MEANING OF THESE SYMBOLS ARE HIDEN AND ONLY REVEALED IF YOU ADVANCE THROUGH THE SYSTEM!

That's not true either. The meanings are elaborated upon, deeper symbolism taught, but there is no "true hidden meaning" to any symbolism. That's just retarded.

And Sabat you can do better, come on more personal attacks, come on i dare you!

I have a question for you. Why don't you criticize Odd Fellows, Elks or Moose? They are JUST LIKE Freemasonry, they have the same secrets and they have the same structure. Why don't you slander them and lie about them? What's your beef with Freemasonry.

And btw, dont compare me to MrNecros please! i do real research and if you read what i write you would know it! it is deep and well sourced!
Look it up instead of just complaining!

It is not well-researched. If it had been, you would have made very different claims, TRUE claims. but instead you simply posted lies and heresay, assumptions and fantasy.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you know more about an organization than an actual member.

I have found my own website to learn the truth about masons, and it is darker than any of you possibly imagine!

www.bucklesunlimited.com...

The Lodge is supported by three great columns, Wisdom, Strength and Beauty, which are explained to the candidate. They are represented by the Master, Senior Warden and Junior Warden.

How sinister and evil. They post the truth in plain site so no one will know their secrets.

users.aol.com...

Our Masonic knowledge and experience will be enriched, as we elect to receive the lessons of Charity, Moderation, Industry, and Humility, which are so eloquently portrayed in the Red Lodge, or the Chapter of Royal Arch Masons. Here - in Capitular Masonry - is the continuing drama of the Blue Lodge, and here we receive something of value that has been lost.

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Ohh, so tell me of one blue lodge mason aka. master mason aka. 3rd degree mason who is in the OTO

I know plenty of "blue lodge" Masons (as you call them) who are in the O.T.O. What of it?

Besides...didn't you say:

"This will be my final statement and attempt to say what I think about the Free Masons and their allies,"

Just couldn't help yourself, could you?

BWA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA

You're a riot. Even FUNNIER than MrNecros!

If you guys want to learn what Freemasonry is really like, I invite you to join a masonic message forum and see the kinds of things that Freemasons talk about with each other in regards to Freemasonry:

www.thelodgeroom.com...

The conversations that go on there are NO DIFFERENT than the conversations that occur behind the closed doors of the lodge. Only difference is that no initiations are being carried out. If any of you can find anything regarding lying to the public, misinformation, assimilation of power, blackmail, abuse, satanism or plotting to take over the world, I'll give you $1000.

And before one of you dorks says that the masons on that forum are "low-level" masons, I'll have you know there are MANY 33rd degree masons, KCCHs, Grand Lodge officers, etc. who post in that forum regularly. Look at those discussion topics. THOSE are the things that Freemasons care about!

[edit on 26-7-2005 by sebatwerk]

You did real research and you didn't even get the O.T.O. degrees or titles correct??

0° Minerval
I° Man and Brother/ Woman and Sister
II° Magician
III° Master Magician
IV° Perfect Magician and companion of the Holy Royal Arch of Enoch / Perfect Initiate, or Prince of Jerusalem
PI Knight of the East and West
V° Sovereign Prince Rose-Croix, and Knight of the Pelican and Eagle/ Knight of the Red Eagle, and Member of the Senate of Knight Hermetic Philosophers
VI° Illustrious Knight (Templar) of the Order of Kadosch, and Companion of the Holy Graal / Grand Inquisitor Commander, and Member of the Grand Tribunal / Prince of the Royal Secret
VII° Theoreticus, and Very Illustrious Sovereign Grand Inspector General / Magus of Light, and Bishop of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica / Grandmaster of Light, and Inspector of Rites and Degrees
VIII° Perfect Pontiff of the Illuminati / Epopt of the Illuminati
IX° Initiate of the Sanctuary of the Gnosis
X° Rex Summus Sanctissimus
XI° Initiate of the Eleventh Degree (This degree is technical, and has no relation to the general plan of the Order)
XII° Frater Superior, and Outer Head of the Order

Thank you! Also you say there are 12 degrees! Nice one didn’t know that! Could you document this please, or lead me in the right direction!
Haven’t done much research into the ranks or degrees of the OTO, just wanted them in this thread! Most of my research is in old Egyptian / Babylonian / Sumerian history, and roman and ancient Europe! But if you are correct, I can only say my bad! And I stand corrected! And again thank you for adding to this thread!

To the diplomatic immunity! Well the mods I am talking about know who they are; I am not a new member! As SabatWerk can confirm!

Grand Council? OTO? What are you talking about? Neither of these things has to do with Freemasonry, unless by Grand Council you are referring to the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite's US Southern jurisdiction. If you are, then it's obvious that all of those masons would be 32nd or 33rd degree masons, because they are part of the scottish rite! Duh!

As for GRAND LODGES, there are MANY Grand Lodge officers who never joined the Scottish or York Rite, and are only 3rd degree master masons.

So in the "higher" "echelons" of free masonry, blue lodge members don’t have much say now do they?
The masons I am talking about were all from the higher societies and layers of America and England! Not some blue lodge master mason! DO I EVEN MENTION THE BLUE LODGE IN MY FIRST POST?
THIS ISNT ABOUT THE BLUE LODGE!

That's not true either. The meanings are elaborated upon, deeper symbolism taught, but there is no "true hidden meaning" to any symbolism. That's just retarded.

So now we have TROLL, RETARDED, STUPID, IGNORANT you accuse me of plagiarism, lying, spreading rumours and fantasies! I hope you are just getting started because I get a kick out of you trying to attack my person instead of attacking the original post! Keep it coming mate, I love it!
But to your question, hmm perhaps it is retarded, but we can narrow it down pretty much, perhaps not ONE truth, but similar truths!

The highest knowledge is unutterable, for it exists as an entity in lanes which transcend all material words or symbols. All symbols are but keys to doors leading to truths, and many times the door is not opened because the key seems so great that the things which are beyond it are not visible. If we can understand that all keys, all material symbols are manifestations, are but extensions of a great law and truth, we will begin to develop the vision which will enable us to penetrate beyond the veil.

Also I cant stress this enough! this isn't about the blue lodge JUST DROP IT!

There are three ways to lie: by deliberate mis-statement; by leaving out relevant facts; by adding irrelevant facts. Free Masons use all three.

I have a question for you. Why don't you criticize Odd Fellows, Elks or Moose? They are JUST LIKE Freemasonry, they have the same secrets and they have the same structure. Why don't you slander them and lie about them? What's your beef with Freemasonry.

Actually I’m attacking symbolism and the societies who use it! Elks and the moose! Haven’t done much research there! But I could make a thread about the skulls and bones etc. BUT THAT IS FOR ANOTHER THREAD! I don’t have a large beef with masonry; it only started AFTER I went to ATS! *ROFL*
The proud masons in here, have made me an angry little adolescent immature ignorant troll flamer idiot etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you know more about an organization than an actual member

Well you are right here! I don’t know more about masonry than most masons! I DO KNOW ABOUT YOUR OBSESED USE OF SYMBOLS AND RITUALS! Which is the point of this thread!





[edit on 26-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]

Ahh Senrak! Good to see we are all soon gathered again! have some one rattled the swords? Nice to see you all going back in familiar patterns it makes me feel at home again!

I know plenty of "blue lodge" Masons (as you call them) who are in the O.T.O. What of it?

Ok so you can be a blue lodge member, and keep your master degree without getting a pendant degree in OTO???? I don’t think so but again you guys know more about the current free masonry than I do, I just say read your history guys c’mon….

Just couldn't help yourself, could you?

BWA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA

You're a riot. Even FUNNIER than MrNecros!

Now you are trying to make me go AK on you? *LOL* I told you not to compare me to mrnecros and now you do, you are just doing it to hurt my feelings, BWAHAHAHAHA, you guys a hilarious!

This will be my final attempt to say what I want about the free masons! NOT ONE POST ONE THREAD!

[edit on 26-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]

oh this'll be good

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
The masons I am talking about were all from the higher societies and layers of America and England! Not some blue lodge master mason! DO I EVEN MENTION THE BLUE LODGE IN MY FIRST POST?
THIS ISNT ABOUT THE BLUE LODGE!

You mentioned the BASIC branch of Freemasonry, which is the Blue Lodge. This is where the majority of masons spend there time, and this is where they get the majority of their masonic knowledge. All masons are Blue Lodge masons, not all are Scottish or Yoprk Rite masons.

So now we have TROLL, RETARDED, STUPID, IGNORANT you accuse me of plagiarism, lying, spreading rumours and fantasies! I hope you are just getting started because I get a kick out of you trying to attack my person instead of attacking the original post! Keep it coming mate, I love it!

Actually I was calling your assertion retarded. Maybe you should try actually READING my post before simply responding to a single word.

Also I cant stress this enough! About the blue lodge JUST DROP IT!

Why? THAT is Freemasonry! The Scottish and York Rites are just appendant bodies. Do you know what 'appendant' means? "In addition to" the Blue lodge!

I have a question for you. Why don't you criticize Odd Fellows, Elks or Moose? They are JUST LIKE Freemasonry, they have the same secrets and they have the same structure. Why don't you slander them and lie about them? What's your beef with Freemasonry.

Actually I’m attacking symbolism and the societies who use it! Elks and the moose! Haven’t done much research there! But I could make a thread about the skulls and bones etc. BUT THAT IS FOR ANOTHER THREAD! I don’t have a large beef with masonry; it only started AFTER I went to ATS!

But Elks and Odd Fellows use symbols and rituals JUST like Freemasons do! Just as much! The organizations are almost identical to Freemasonry in every way, except they dont get accused of being evil and nefarious. Why is that?

The proud masons in here, have made me an angry little adolescent immature ignorant troll flamer idiot etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!

No, you proved yourself to be one by your trollish posting.

Well you are right here! I don’t know more about masonry than most masons! I DO KNOW ABOUT YOUR OBSESED USE OF SYMBOLS AND RITUALS! Which is the point of this thread!

Obsessive use of rituals and symbols? Freemasonry is an INITIATORY society!!! Freemasonry's lesson are taught through initiation (ritual) and expressed through symbolism! That is what the entire fraternity is all about!!! There is nothing more to Freemasonry than initiating members and teaching them masonry's lessons through the use of symbolism!

[edit on 26-7-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by Lysergic

oh this'll be good

*ROFLMAOPAO*

Well I’m going to bed now! Can’t wait to see what happens next! More coffee, wine or car talk, more lets get lots of IRRELEVANT POSTS in here?

Basic Free Mason tactics! Bah don’t you guys ever develop new tactics?

You mentioned the BASIC branch of Freemasonry, which is the Blue Lodge. This is where the majority of masons spend there time, and this is where they get the majority of their masonic knowledge. All masons are Blue Lodge masons, not all are Scottish or Yoprk Rite masons.

i said:

The most commonly known "cults" are the York rite and the Scottish rite, which are the basics of Free Masonry

perhaps my English is bad, and I don’t make much sense! But what I meant was off course the BASICS OF FREE MASONRY I WRITE ABOUT IN THIS THREAD! But again my bad for not being clear!

Why? THAT is Freemasonry! The Scottish and York Rites are just appendant bodies. Do you know what 'appendant' means? "In addition to" the Blue lodge

Yes I do know what appendant means, but none of the masons I talk about were just BLUE LODGE MEMBERS! SO STOP IT!

But Elks and Odd Fellows use symbols and rituals JUST like Freemasons do! Just as much! The organizations are almost identical to Freemasonry in every way, except they dont get accused of being evil and nefarious. Why is that?

There are three ways to lie: by deliberate mis-statement; by leaving out relevant facts; by adding irrelevant facts. Free Masons use all three.

TOTALY IRRELEVANT!

I don’t think i have said evil! Just perverted and blood cult! But evil is a definition! Masons are not evil! The system that MANIPULATES THEM ARE!

No, you proved yourself to be one by your trollish posting.

So now you are saying that all prior attacks on me were justified, GOOD keep it up! *lol* more to come i hope!

Obsessive use of rituals and symbols? Freemasonry is an INITIATORY society!!! Freemasonry's lesson are taught through initiation (ritual) and expressed through symbolism! That is what the entire fraternity is all about!!!

Thank you for adding to this thread! You say expressed I say obsessive! Potato potata!

[edit on 26-7-2005 by NeonHelmet]

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Basic Free Mason tactics! Bah don’t you guys ever develop new tactics?

We use the same tactics that ANYONE would who is trying to defend themselves or an organization which they are a member of. You would do the same thing if I were here accusing you of being a child rapist.

But Elks and Odd Fellows use symbols and rituals JUST like Freemasons do! Just as much! The organizations are almost identical to Freemasonry in every way, except they dont get accused of being evil and nefarious. Why is that?

TOTALY IRRELEVANT!

I don’t think i have said evil! Just perverted and blood cult! But evil is a definition! Masons are not evil! The system that MANIPULATES THEM ARE!

It's not irrelevant. These other organizations are EXACTLY like Freemasonry. Why don't you speak out against them? If you say Freemasonry is a "perverted blood cult" then surely you must say that the Odd Fellows or Elks are also! But I know why you don't: because there have never been rumors or theories created about those fraternities, therefore no conspiracy theorist ever wrote something for you to believe without actually verifying it yourself and then repeat here on ATS.

No, you proved yourself to be one by your trollish posting.

So now you are saying that all prior attacks on me were justified, GOOD keep it up! *lol* more to come i hope!

And do you not think that you are simply mason-baiting in this thread? You started a thread which included about 20 different topics, with the hopes that people would discuss every single one? You know damn well that this tread, like your previous ones, were only meant to start arguments and to make Freemasons on this forum mad. YOU KNOW THIS, so why pretend otherwise? By playing dumb, you only show yourself to be an immature teenager. Grow up for once.

Obsessive use of rituals and symbols? Freemasonry is an INITIATORY society!!! Freemasonry's lesson are taught through initiation (ritual) and expressed through symbolism! That is what the entire fraternity is all about!!!

Thank you for adding to this thread! You say expressed I say obsessive! Potato potata!

Those words mean completely different things. Freemasonry is a "symbol system", or "A system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols". That is the heart of Freemasonry, not politics, satanism and whatever else you dorks accuse us of.

Here's a couple good points for a couple folks to learn:

Helmut, what part of "copyright" do you not understand? You have been here long enough to know better than copy/pasting articles and not giving the link. You know enough to copy a paragraph and post the link.

Sabat, you'd better learn another way to respond than calling people trolls. You got away with it with me once, and I suppose you think that made it ok. One more time, fellow. GOT IT? By the way, while I'm on it, declaring people ignorant, or trolls, or anything else, without counter-stating with facts proves nothing. Get with the PROGRAM, every man-jack of you!

Thread locked due to stolen work! I'll take the time to edit it later as I've other things to do now.