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reply posted on 27-7-2005 @ 10:40 AM by prelude
Originally posted by LooseLipsSinkShips
I originally had China 4th and Russia 3rd, but Russia is not even Top 20 anymore in military expenditures.

CIA Factbook $$$



I am sorry to state that you are ignorant about the military expenditures of Russia
the link that you provided(CIA )didnt include Russia because they didnt have enough info about Russian expenditure {(because Russian official defense budget traditionally gives a highly reduced (3 to 6 times) figure and most CIA analysts had different views of the real value . )}
According to most defense analysts Russia is the 2nd largest defense spender in this planet (after USA)
acoording to a few others they are the 3rd largest defense spender (after china /saudi arabia)

here are the sources
1 Russian budget :
www.strategypage.com...

chinese buget
www.strategypage.com...


2 www.globalissues.org...

3
www.scaruffi.com...

4
64.177.207.201...

5
www.worldthreats.com...

6
www.globalsecurity.org...


you should have done a bit more research before posting



reply posted on 27-7-2005 @ 03:00 PM by prelude
LooseLipsSinkShips
i dont think that i have posted something offensive against you...what makes you scream at me...i just gave some links that might help you to make a better analysis ...i dont know why did you get offended? You posted that Russia's Defense budget dosent rank among the top 20s ...i just proved that you were ignorant at this point .....I really cant understand what was there to scream about...if I am ignorant you must help me and if you are ignorant so will I ......perhaps there has been some misunderstanding

about my list (ie rank)
i have posted it long before (
www.belowtopsecret.com...
)

here is the copy paste



1 USA

Reason : today's stereotype media sources(including ATS ) doesn’t allow you to deny Ignorance ....If you want to prove something true you need the support of something false ...while dealing with the myth industry you become a part of It ..so are we all so is me

Pros : Enough resources, High Technology and Professionalism .

Cons : due to US backed media coverage the international audience is unaware of the cons of US military
however following drawbacks may be noted
1 too much dependence on foreign brains for Tech

2 I am not sure of this but I came to know that US gets a lot of minor parts from other nations –where its cheap . If this is true then it will be a great disadvantage for the US in case of a war isolation . please correct me if I am wrong

3 Questionable training :
The media tries to make us believe that they are the Best in everything but the recent repeated shameful defeats of USAF pilots against the IAF pilots (With so-called “backdated” soviet Equipment ) puts a big question mark on the efficacy of the US military training …when it comes to advanced countries .


2 Russia
Reason:
there are stereotype US western media backed negative-myths about Russia concerning
1 lack of Fund
and
2 Backdated soviet equipment

having seen the Russian facilities in my own eyes I have every reason to claim that they are all but just media backed myths
if you are interested in my out look read www.abovetopsecret.com...

Pros
1 one of the most talented pool of scientists in the world
2 Rich resources, technology , tradition, culture
3 one of the most diverse military systems in the world inheriting some of the best military units(many of with are almost absent in the countries that consists lower rank in my list ) Like :
1 The best special forces (Spetsnaz) …the beta unit has lost only 4 service men until today there are special Spetsnaz units for the army, air force and the navy who receive the best possible training
2 one of the best weather control technologies in the world
3 secret military cities/sites : according to analysts there are more than 200 of them : no one knows what there is ? according to US analysts they have undergone the most modernization among the Russian military units after the break down of USSR
4 Intelligence Dept (FSB - ex KGB)
Cons
1 Very poor management
2 corruption
3 lack of professionalism



3 and 4 UK and France
Reason : Tradition (that counts a lot )

Pros : 1 rich indigenous technology and Resources
2 professionalism

Cons:
France: since the WW2 has decided to stay off from wars and military spending as it does no good to the nation
UK: in spite of her rich military tradition , prefers to play a second fiddle to the US


5 India
Reason : they are a rising military power
Pros : a good pool of talented population
a developing indigenous medium tech military industry
a big man power

cons :
lack of war resources most importantly OIL
Indian politics and corruption
US Pakistan China backed terrorism
too much dependence on Russia and Europe for higher military tech

6 China
Reason : a rising Economy but too much over estimated

pros : economy
a big man power
reverse engineering

Cons
lack of war resources most importantly OIL
reverse engineering
corruption
lack of indigenous technology and too much dependence on Russia

of these the top 4 (ie US Russia UK France )will remain world leaders as far as military is concerned unless and untill some effective alternative fuel replaces petroleum because when there is a war you are likely to face an isolation ….so only self sufficient countries can survive ………the other rising powers (India and China ) lacks war resources most importantly oil and their whole military will crumble in case of a War Isolation

apart from this there are a few unrecognized powers with very high efficacy but we have poor knowledge and information to judge their power

1 The Muslim world
a jihad can unite them to a single country …and then they have all
nukes (Pakistan) money fuel etc (only no technology)

2 the EU
future may see a common military though chances are small

3 Israel
the secret Nuclear power

4 Germany
longing for a revenge…they have all- war tradition ., resources , technology etc the rise of neo-nazism throughout Europe and N America speaks of their influence

5 Brazil
that are they doing with a military budget of 18bn $ ….serving 24 hr free coffee to their military men ?

6 N and S Korea
frankly I don’t have much knowledge


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