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Avian Influenza (Bird Flu) Links and Discussion Threads

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posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 05:21 PM
Okay Fred......

Now we're talking here. Maybe ATS members will start to contriubte local stories that don't make the MSM. This would be an excellent way to monitor and possibliy alert others to what is going on.

Any response from Dr. N?

posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 06:48 PM
Jakarta TV says Malaysian may have died of bird flu..snip

This is one thing we need to have....straight up information from other countries!!! If jarkarta is pulling a BEIJING on the world, we need to have someone, anyone put some pressure on them in order to extract the information. Maybe Biejing is doing the same thing....burying the bodies.

Sorry. Here is the correct link for the above story:

Jakarta TV says Malaysian may have died of bird flu

Monday, July 25, 2005 at 07:42 JST
JAKARTA — A Malaysian cook has died of suspected bird flu at a hospital in West Jakarta, a private television station reported Sunday, but doctors at the hospital denied the report.

Jakarta-based Metro TV reported that the Malaysian national died at the Graha Medika Gleneagles Hospital on July 17 and was cremated on July 21 on the outskirt of Jakarta. The report did not, however, cite the source of the information. (Kyodo News)

[edit on 24-7-2005 by gman55]

posted on Jul, 24 2005 @ 09:08 PM
Here is more distrubing news from a Jananese news reporter who has translated the below referenced article:

The following article is about closed meetings in major cities e.g. Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen. It says officials are on the highest alert status in China's history and suggests that the number of human victims might be big.

The meetings mainly handled two kinds of deseases. One was Ebola fever. Officials were instructed, all patiants or victims will be sent to military hospital. The other one was bird flue. The Media is prohibited to handle ANY news on these diseases.

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 07:17 AM
The government says the three that died were not from H2H. Maybe but now others are showing up in hospitals. There may be more that are not reported.

Two more Indonesians hospitalized for suspected bird flu 2005-07-25 11:05:48

JAKARTA, July 25 (Xinhuanet) -- Two Indonesians have been admitted to hospital for developing bird flu symptoms in the town of Tangerang, where three people died recently from bird flu, local media reports said Monday.

One of the patients, a photographer for a local magazine, has just visited a poultry farming where bird flu killed 750 chickens and he was sent to hospital last Friday for suffering high fever and respiratory problems, reported the Detikcom online news service.

There is no explanation about another patient.

The medical team has taken blood sample from the two patients but the results cannot be made available immediately, it said.

A father and his two little daughters died within six days early this month, with laboratory test showing positive of bird flu attack, the country's first confirmed human deaths caused by bird flu.

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 07:55 AM
This article is saying that the causative agent was streptococcus spread from Pork. Strep is a nasty one but 17 deaths?

(Kyodo) _ Hong Kong said Monday it is suspending pork imports from China's Sichuan Province after reports at least 17 villagers have died after butchering sick animals in the southwestern province.
Earlier, the territory's Health, Welfare and Food Bureau, to allay fears, had assured the public that frozen pork from Sichuan was safe to eat and that the city does not import live pigs from the province.

The suspension follows a report Monday by China's official Xinhua News Agency that the villagers may have been killed by bacteria that are common among pigs.

Zeng Huajin, a senior official with the Sichuan provincial health department, said the disease hitting villagers is "probably" caused by a type of streptococcus common among pigs, according to Xinhua.

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 08:02 AM

Hong Kong's Centre for Health Protection (CHP) issued a warning yesterday - a day after it was notified by the Ministry of Health of the outbreak, which is thought to involve up to 20 patients, aged 30 to 70, who lived in 12 towns and 15 villages in Jianyang city and Ziyang city's Yanjiang district.

The CHP informed the Hospital Authority, which alerted all the city's 14 accident and emergency departments "to be vigilantly on the lookout for patients with similar symptoms". It is the first time an alert has been issued to public hospitals to be on the lookout for a mystery illness from across the border since the outbreaks of SARS [severe accute respiratory syndrome] and bird flu. The worry is that people travelling from the mainland could bring the disease to the city, as happened with SARS.

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 10:12 AM
Here is another distrubing event that has been reported. (Credit: Dr. Niman)

Fatal Infections in Sichuan China Due to Ebola-SZ77?

Recombinomics Commentary
July 24, 2005

The virus currently circulating in ZiYang SiCuhan is thought to be a strain of Ebola. However, both authorities and the press have been prohibited from alluding it to be so. Even the use of the word "Ebola" has been banned.

Although minimal information has been released, many Chinese believe that the virus circulating in SiChuan is the EB-SZ77 strain of Ebola that first emerged in ShenZhen , between 19 - 27 May this year. However, what is puzzling is that this strain has evolved very rapidly - it can now be transmitted by 3rd party, unlike the other strains which are only blood borne.

The above comments are form a translation of a boxun report indicating that the deaths in Ziyang, southeast of Chengdu in Sichuan province is due to a rapidly evolving strain of Ebola, EB-SZ77. Earlier reports by boxun had described a number of Ebola strains in China. In the earlier report, all isolates were said to be transmitted via blood. However, EB-SZ77 was capable of transmission to birds.

If true, all of this would be cause for concern, H5N1 has been reported in pigs in Indonesia, so infection of swine in Suchuan would be possible in view of its proximity to Qinghai Lake and the recent bird flu outbreak among migratory water fowl.. Moreover, the unprecedented die-off of birds at Qingahi Lake due to H5N1 infections raises concerns about a catastrohic spread of H5N1,

An 18 nucleotide region of H5 is found in the Ebola env gene, signaling the exchange of genetic information between H5N1 and Ebola (the sequence is specific for H5N1 isolates). Variations in sequences between Ebola or Marburg strains has been noted and Ebola like other viruses can evolve rapidly via recombination.

Isolation and sequencing of the virus causing the deaths in Sichuan Province would be useful

Fred, if this is true, then we have even more to be afraid of. Maybe two co-circulating virus...this can only get worse in my opinion. The world is just not responding to this threat. It's treating it like chicken pox instead of chicken flu.

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 10:43 AM

I'm afraid to say that the mainstream news articles are kind of pointing toward this being Ebola as well as they are reporting that the infected people are "showing signs of bruising" which would be indicative of this type of virus.

*Valhall heads off to worry more*

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 10:45 AM
Yeah this is NOT good news if true. Here is a similar story. I do not like using Rense for anything but absent offical commentary:

As you read the following report it is obvious that Ebola has been genetically altered with different viruses which give us the various types of the new ebola strains. Obviously some of the viruses have been altered with HIV. It is quite possible that some Ebola genomes have been recombined with SARS and others with H5.

If the following report is accurate, and remember Boxun is reporting from inside China and the reporters have the advantage of inside information, it is obvious that China has been busy in their bioweapons research. We did have signs that a program was and is in effect when SARS escaped. There have been some very strange outbreaks of H5N1 which did add to speculation that China has been engaged in bioweapons' research.

This jives with what I have been saying for some time. Could this have been a biowarfare experiment gone bad? Little is known about thier biowarfare capacity and we have SARS and Bird flu outbreaks emerging from the same area? Also given thier governments denials and the like. Maybe they had an accident a few bugs got out?

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 10:50 AM
PerterPan our resident translator has issued this...

Clarification on the Official Press Release Concerning the Sichuan Outbreak

1 - 58 cases and 17 deaths

In reality, 219 people have been quarantined, 113 checked / examined / tested, 67 symptomatic cases, 23 suspected cases, 12 confirmed cases, 31 fatalities, 17 of whom died in hospital, the remaining 14 died elsewhere. Puzzling how these figures got turned into the number officially released.

2 - Medical Expert: No Human-to-Human Transmission

Doctors interviewed could not ascertain if human-to-human transmission was taking place. Further investigations were underway. The statement was made merely to reassure the public.

3 - The Public Health / Hygiene Bureau, Ministry of Agricultural and local government is following the matter closely.

This is, in fact, masking the forced quarantines, under-reporting and hiding of case figures and the restrictions place on the media.

4 - No environmental pollution.

This outbreak is responsible for the many pig carcasses lying around. Many of the carcasses also include home bred poultry of the edible variety.

5 - No bleeding observed.

This is a lie. All fatalities were observed to have internal haemorrhage and "poisoned" symptoms. (? i've no idea what that means, "poisoned symptoms" is the literal translation, rather beyond my level. sorry.)

Boy I wish we had someone "on the ground" for this. Although I would not blame anyone for NOT going...

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Valhall

the infected people are "showing signs of bruising" which would be indicative of this type of virus.

*Valhall heads off to worry more*

H5N1 also presents with "dark/purple bruising" as was the 1918 pandemic.

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 10:56 AM
One thing just playing devils advocate here. Streptococcus (which they claim it is) can cause bleeding esp. in the case of a massive infection. The clotting cascade can be easy to disrupt esp if the the patient is septic and bleeding is a byproduct it also can cause a phenomenon called DIC or disseminated intravascular coagulation where you body uses up all its clotting factors in a rapid fashion and then just starts bleeding out.

I pulled up one such incident and have many more

On December 10, 1993, the New Mexico Department of Health (NMDH) received a report of a previously healthy 4-month-old girl (patient 1) who died from septic shock with petechiae and hemorrhage into the adrenal glands, heart, and diaphragm. Blood and tissue cultures were negative. However, because her clinical presentation suggested meningococcemia, a prophylactic regimen of rifampin was prescribed for infants, toddlers, and staff at the CCC she attended. On February 9, 1994, a 7-month-old infant (patient 2) who attended the same CCC died from septic shock, purpura, and Waterhouse-Friderichsen syndrome. Gram-positive cocci were detected on a smear of the patient's blood buffy coat, and a latex agglutination test on cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) indicated infection with S. pneumoniae as the cause of death; pneumococcal infection was confirmed by polymerase chain reaction (PCR), using primers for the pneumococcal autolysin gene on autopsy tissue, and by counterimmunoelectrophoresis (CIE) of CSF (serogroup 19). Analysis of autopsy tissue from patient 1, using the same PCR assay, suggested that she also had died from pneumococcal infection.

posted on Jul, 25 2005 @ 11:43 AM
(This report is for a six (6) year old boy that presented with diarrhea)

Full report:

A patient with H5N1 influenza virus infection was reported to have diarrhea as the initial symptom, which raises the question of whether the gastrointestinal tract may is another site of viral replication and shedding, similar to its function in avian species.


We did not detect any positive staining in columnar epithelium, which is the usual target for influenza virus infection in humans (19), which suggests that the virus targeted primarily lung tissue and not airway epithelium. Similarly, we did not find viral antigen in bronchiolar epithelium in the lung sections. Columnar epithelium in both the trachea and bronchiole was intact, thus providing adequate columnar epithelial cells for evaluation. The lack of pathologic changes is consistent with the absence of viral infection in these tissues.

This may be the reason H5N1 can sliently spread....there have been a number of deaths in India attributed to diarrhea, maybe H5N1 in disguise?

I think more countries should test for specific H5N1 markers for all unusual deaths.

[edit on 25-7-2005 by gman55]

posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 06:44 AM
There is reason for more concern in China today from translated Boxum reports as follows....

The outbreak in Shenzhen is currently showing signs of a serious explosion. Many districts appear to be controlled areas, with disinfection and burial activities being carried out. Food and hygiene control measures have been implemented. Restrictions have also been placed on people's movements


Locals have accused authorities of ignoring the initial signs of the outbreak in early June and of reporting it to be a non-communicable disease when it was infectious in nature. Authorities have also not provided any information with regards to the nurses and doctors that contracted the disease and died in the initial stage of the outbreak.


It is believed authorities can adopt the tried and tested method of isolating victimes and letting them die with minimal risk to others. The plan for this has already been drawn up. It involves the sealing off of the epidemic area to breakt he chains of transmission. Infected patients would be allowed to gradually die off. Simultaneously, dis-infection / de-contamination would take place. This would continue until the case numbers were sufficiently low for contaminment, following which information would be gradually released, the quarantine would be lifted and announcement would be made that the outbreak had been contained.

Full translation here..

This is getting out of control when governments let their people die.

posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 10:18 AM
This is very a shipwreck with no lifeboats and the steward holding all of the lifejackets for himself.

(ref: Dr. Niman)
China Closes Lab Isolating and Sequencing H5N1 Bird Flu

Recombinomics Commentary
July 26, 2005

A laboratory jointly run by universities in Hong and China said on Tuesday it had suspended studies into the H5N1 bird flu virus after Beijing issued new guidelines which triggered fears of a crackdown on academic freedom and independent research into the deadly disease.

The new rules were issued on May 30, five days after the Joint Influenza Research Centre sent an article to the international journal Nature which said that infected wild birds in western China might have picked up the virus from poultry farms in southern China.

A day after the article was published, Jia Youling, director general of the Ministry of Agriculture's Veterinary Bureau, criticised the findings and said no bird flu had broken out in southern China this year.

The closing of an independent lab in China is cause for concern. The lab has been doing H5N1 research in collaboration with Yi Guan's lab at Hong Kong University. The publication in Nature clearly demonstrated that H5N1 was present in 2005 in eastern China, even though China had filed no OIE reports in 2005 prior to the May 21 report on Qinghai Lake. Subsequent reports were filed on outbreaks in Xinjiang province, but there are still no reports of H5N1 in China in 2005 east of Qinhai Lake.

The 2005 isolates from Shantou in Guangdong Province were of particular interest, because five of the eight genes were virtually identical to the corresponding genes from Qinghai Lake isolates, clearly demonstrating a relationship between the H5N1 tarnsmitted betaeween two regions in China. The lack of the PB2 mutation E627K in isolates outside of Qinghai Lake supports the notion that the isolates in Shantou may be from earlier Qinghai Lake infections instead of precursors of the Qinghai Lake isolates. However, the relationship demands more study.

China's actions strongly suggest they want to control and withhold vital information regarding H5N1 in China. The sequences will like be appearing throughout Asia and Europe via migratory birds wintering in China and Russia, but samples collected as the H5N1 evolves this season will be particularly important because of the lethality associated with Qinghai isolates and the H5N1 endemic to much of Asia, including China in general and Guangdong Province in particular.

The Qinghai isolates, as well as isolates from Vietnam, share many polymorphisms with isolates from Guangdong province. Independent studies of this region should be increased not decreased.

The timing of the new announcement, in view of the 20 isolates deposited at GenBank and Los Alamos (which included all 12 isolates collected at Qinghai Lake), as well as the virulence of the Qinghai isolates, increases concerns that there is a raging pandemic in China and information on H5N1 is being withheld.

Should'nt this kind of action be deemed unaceptable by the international community? Where is the SC from the UN? There has to be a united action from all countries to force China to come clean and allow inspectors into the affected areas..

[edit on 26-7-2005 by gman55]

[edit on 26-7-2005 by gman55]

posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 09:36 PM
Maybe some of our concerned members out there can use this resource for informing a suprizingly large unbelieving portion of humanity and loved ones of the predicted pandemic. Very well writen too.

Bird Flu:
Communicating the Risk
by Peter M. Sandman and Jody Lanard
Health authorities want to spread the word that avian influenza has brought the world perilously close to a new flu pandemic. But raising awareness about uncertain threats can itself be perilous. Two leading risk communication experts offer advice on how to sound the alarm.


Full article here...

posted on Jul, 27 2005 @ 09:19 AM
Interesting report of possible pandemic conditions in China.

Dr Yi Guan, a H5N1 researcher at Hong Kong University, analyzed genetic samples from avian flu-stricken birds and published his findings in the journal Nature on May 25. He and his American and Chinese colleagues described strong similarities between the viral genes of wild birds in western China, and H5N1 in affected poultry farms found earlier in southern China. They also discovered that the Qinghai geese contained "virulence genes" that had a 100 percent mortality rates in both chickens and mice in the lab.

Again, Chinas lack of cooporation is putting the world at risk!

posted on Jul, 28 2005 @ 09:27 AM
This is an excellent recap of all the things that happened in Asia as of late. With all the news reports flying around and governments hedging on information, this articel gives a great chronological broad look at this threat.

Full article link...

China may not be alone in under-reporting H5N1.

In India, where pigeons died en masse on one occasion in 2004, the blood of poultry workers collected in 2002 shows antibodies to H5N1. Officially, though, India has no H5N1. This month's first human cases in Indonesia, with two deaths, may be linked to trips made to India and Hong Kong.

Alas, this stonewalling can kill as the H5N1 acquires more lethal genes - like Ebola genes.

Although it has never been officially seen outside Africa, the intrepid reported last April an Ebola outbreak in Shenzen, next to Hong Kong, which the authorities denied. Now, Boxun sources tell them that the Sichuan outbreak is the rapidly evolving Ebola SZ-77 strain which can infect birds, so it may be tied to bird flu at Qinghai.

posted on Jul, 30 2005 @ 02:36 AM
Potentialy Deadly Bird flu may spread around the world, to your house. Epidemic
Potential Deadly Bird flu may spread world, to your house. Epidemic



If you see a hundred dead birds laying on your front door:
I Complaining to the landlord... or
II Poke them... or
III Drive them to the vet... or
IIII Through bread at them... or
IIIII Pretend your in a movie called bird attacks... or
IIIIII Pretend there's a deadly bird flu virus spreading across the world and that you should start to wear a paper mask and possibly gloves. But that's about it.
IIIIIII OR You could just get on with your life and ignore it.

Be safe

And now in Russia. One hour ago

It could also be dangerous concerning migrating geese and birds coming to separate countries.


^^^^^ A lot of links are attached to the sight above. ^^^^^ Its also in the Philippines.



US and other nations brace for bird flu
World Peace Herald, DC - Jul 14, 2005
... braces for a pandemic of the deadly disease, infectious ... The concern is the bird-flu virus will adapt to ... is becoming better adapted at spreading from person to ...

They burned the birds thinking it would help rid the virus.

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