Can we finally settle this Chemtrail thing?, page 1
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Topic started on 19-6-2005 @ 11:27 PM by SilentFrog
Alright.

I am personally slightly tired of all of this chemtrail stuff. So I propse that ATS, as a group, finally settle the issue. Now, as far as I understand it, the gist of it is that nefarious and possibly governmental agencies are spraying the world full of equally nefarious chemicals from airplanes (commercial and millitary). The evidence for this are large and spooky clouds in the sky that emerge from airplanes. Despite the quite thourough debunking of these that has occured (I particularily recall Off_The_Street's excellent
6 reasons chemtrails don't exist) But I am a skeptic too. Let's say that there is a chance, no matter how remote, that this is real. In that case, it should be possible to recover particulate matter, gasses, ice crystals, &c. from these clouds. And submit it to rigourous analysis.

So I am launching a challenge to the ATS community. Surely there are people here who are so convinced of the existence of chemtrails, or tired of hearing of them, that they are willing to collect some of these samples, from wherever (and hopefully from many places). I would do so myself I weren't an utterly broke college student *sigh*. If that is so, then I propose that we conduct a study. A real, scientfic study. I have access to labs, however, and am willing to do the chemical analysis. I am prepared to go to whatever lengths it takes to convicne the other side that this is fair and balanced. Follow me around to prove I'm not a disinfo agent, whatever.

But I will not be convinced that the chemtrails are anything other than a hoax unless I or anyone else can find concrete proof that there is something in those clouds other than water vapor, the products of combustion, and typical atmospheric pollutants.

So, what do you say, chemtrailers? Any of you willing to back up your claims and subject them to real science and facts?

***DISCLAIMER: That's right, I don't belive in them. But I am openly declaring my bias. I do belive, however, that it is entirely possible to conduct a fair and balanced study***

[edit on 21-6-2005 by John bull 1]


reply posted on 21-6-2005 @ 04:50 AM by FatherLukeDuke
I don't really see the point in spending all sorts of money sampling plane exhausts. I don't believe in Father Christmas but I don't feel the need to organise a party to go to Lapland to prove beyond doubt that he doesn't exist. Anyway such an expidition still couldn't prove to a believer (try a 5 year old child) that he didn't exist, as he could have been hiding in his secret underground base or have turned himself invisible or whatever.

A belief in chemtrails is just that, a belief. It is not based on evidence, therefore no amount of evidence will convince the believers they are wrong. If you sampled a hundred contrails they would just say "yes, but you sampled the wrong ones" or that "the government controls the labs where they were the samples were tested". It wouldn't get you anywhere.

Anyway there is nothing to "settle": most of the world's population aren't even aware of the concept of "chemtrails". The number that are must number in the thousands and the number that actually believe in them must number in the hundreds. I just tried explaining the concept to 5 people at work, not only had they never heard of it, they didn't actually believe that some people think that "chemtrails" exist until I showed them a few insane websites. Then they just laughed a lot.

Quite a lot more people believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas (alright most of them are children, but chemtrail believers show more gullibilty than most children).


reply posted on 21-6-2005 @ 05:34 AM by BigPimpin
here's some evidence

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

here are some photos
www.aliendave.com...
www.stanley2002.org...
www.survivalistskills.com...
home.att.net...
www.chemtrails.at...
thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr...
www.conspiration.cc...
www.rense.com...


here are some questions
images.google.com...://members.shaw.ca/Chemtrails/111.jpg&imgrefurl=http://members.shaw.ca/Chemtrails/HardQuestions.htm&h=408&w =654&sz=124&tbnid=LSvVg4fAcUEJ:&tbnh=84&tbnw=136&hl=en&start=63&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchemtrail%26start%3D60%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN



reply posted on 24-6-2005 @ 10:48 AM by Vis Mega
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Combine that with what Mr Whaaa said below...


I know this won't change anybodys mind. On a recent return flight from Florida to new Mexico; as we were "deplaneing" I asked the pilot/co-pilot what are all those contrails that criss-cross the sky. His reply "weather modification" Maybe he was being patronizing, maybe truthful, maybe being a drama queen; I couldn't tell. Like I said, I know this won't change anybodys mind.



So basically YES WE CAN CLOSE THIS SUBJECT NOW... its true.. and more then enough evidence is in the air and online now to provide you with what you should need to believe that THIS IS HAPPENING.


Like what else DO YOU NEED?


-VMX


reply posted on 24-6-2005 @ 04:02 PM by HowardRoark
For some interesting "sample analysis"

I suggest that you check out Cliff Carnicom's site

carnicom.com...

Click on the Sample and analyis menu.

WARNING: Spew hazard! Do not drink liquids when reading those. I will not be held responsible for any damage to monitors or keyboards.

[edit on 24-6-2005 by HowardRoark]


reply posted on 24-6-2005 @ 04:06 PM by Springer
Originally posted by HowardRoark
For some interesting "sample analysis"

I suggest that you check out Cliff Carnicom's site

carnicom.com...

Click on the Sample and analyis menu.

WARNING: Spew hazard! Do not drink liquids when reading those. I will not be held responsible for any damage to monitors or keyboards.

[edit on 24-6-2005 by HowardRoark]


Oh man... WHERE do they come from Howard?! WHERE?!

m...


reply posted on 25-6-2005 @ 03:57 AM by apc
Originally posted by BigPimpin
Here is a photogragh of a low altitude chemtrail plane, notice the angle of the airplane.
www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz...


Our guess would be an altitude of no more than 20,000 feet (6000 metres).

And they base that guess off the fact that they can get such a nice zoom on the photo? ..........
Clear undeniable proof alright. Yeah.

So I guess there is no possible avenue of thought than to conclude there are giant structures and canals on Mars, right?

These chemtrailists must be so upset about the extra chemicals they think theyre breathing, because you've gotta seriously be on something to come up with some of these conclusions.
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