Can we finally settle this Chemtrail thing?

Well, this better work! You remember what happened last time when the absorption was supposd to take hold before liftoff.

I'm still getting the fallout from that little "accident".

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Chemtrails are an evil right wing conspiracy between air pressure and water vapor. The lines have been drawn. AP and WV will attack any time now. The possibility of further attacks by these evil co-conspirators is Severe. The Office of Chemtrail Security can only offer the following advice: Duck and Cover.

First off, I'm trying to find out what your confidently expressed so-called science actually means. The volume, spread and maintenance of output is without doubt off kilter, but I've increasing doubts about what this phenomenon actually means, and don't necessarily acept that it derivation is from earthbound Newtonian physics, which is more feed to take the piss out of
As for going off-topic I don't believe I do
Those repeated interceptors have an agenda on their hands without a doubt, and their hands is what I'm probably playing into - apologies to the much respected Anok- who has always kept a straight line on the issues
Lol to OTS, apc etc - I like your little self-congratulatory slaps - some of us are not beyond taking the piss out ourselves, - as if the divisions were objective reality or something

No change of subject intended - just the same continuum


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Is it just me or is there something fishy about those flight paths?

Chemtrail or not, it seems rather expensive for jet aircraft to make an about face. I certainly hope this is not the same plane. Whew, maybe they need to do more pilot sobriety tests.

Ahahaha oh comeon I know you know those are holding patterns
Although... you may be correct... Im sure plenty of pilots get wasted to ease their concerns regarding evil Arabs with nail clippers.

They still look cool. Like highway skid marks. Ya look at them and think, "what the hell happened here?"

Actually, I once saw this kind of pattern no where near an airport and even saw a couple of the planes making the actual 180 degree turns. I wondered about that but it was not long after 9-11-01 so I figured they were being diverted.

You can't tell without seeing the progression of the trails, how they develop or disintegrate, what's on the ground that might be influencing for good or ill, whether there's any sylph intercession
Of course you think the latter idea nonsense, don't you

Huh? Are you trying to say there might be something on the ground causing the planes to turn around? Or are you trying to say the "spray" is for the purpose of dropping something over a specific target on the ground? The latter being something you know full well wouldn't work...

There is not evidence for chemtrails, just a few of paranoid people who keep going on about them.


What is your point? You are asking him to prove a negative although you then admit this is wrong? Us skeptics "only" have our science. What have you guys got? Nothing.


Just because something is theorectically possible doesn't mean it is happening. What is far fetched anyway? Which particular chemtrail theory are you talking about? Weather modification? To poison people? Or my favourite - that the contrails are in some way alive and doing battle with creatures from Saturn (thankyou dh for this gem).


This is such a meaningless statement. Who is they? And what does "own the weather" mean?


And what makes you think that the government is invloved in whatever it is you think is going on? I think you have already bought up all the best real estate in La La land.

Well # me I didn't realise, so I guess because YOU think it's stupid then it obviously can't be happening?

Who are you!

I can understand you not believing to a point, with all the crazy theories going around. But they're just peoples theories. Just because I think something's going on does not mean I buy into those theories.
And crazy theories shouldn't close your mind to the possibility that something is going on.

I'm not gonna argue on the subject anymore, anything else I post on chem trails will be for discussion with other open minded people only...
Neither side at this point can win this argument, so what's the point in throwing # at each other?
It's obvious you guys care more about trying to sensor peoples thinking, by making them look stupid, than you are discussing subjects outside of what you normally discuss around your office water cooler.

Yeah the military, and other agencies of the government, have never sprayed chemicals on unsuspecting populations before

www.washingtonwatchdog.org...

home.iae.nl...

Testing on military members is real, look how many Gulf War Vets are now sick with unexplainable symptoms. I am a Gulf Vet myself and have the symptoms.

The latest drug found in "Gulf War guinea pigs" is squalene, an unapproved synthetic adjuvant compound believed to boost the effect of immunizations. Many Gulf War soldiers (including those who did not see action) who are suffering from "Gulf War syndrome" and were given inoculations during the war, have tested positive for squalene antibodies, proving that they were somehow exposed to this synthetic compound. There also appears to be a correlation between the level of squalene exposure and severity of "Gulf War syndrome" symptomology, such that more squalene = more illness.

www.whale.to...

Don't try to tell me the government wouldn't do experiments, such as spraying chemicals from aircraft.

Whoa, lets keep it civil, people. No need for this to turn into something from the mudpit. We should all be open to a reality that might not be in line with our OPINION. And, I doubt any of us has any personal stake (aside from health issues) in this one way or another so take it easy.

Look, on one hand we have no proof that this is going on. Thats going to have to be remedied before we cast it in stone.

On the other hand, we have a patent for the device to carry it out and a reccomendation made to do it to fight global warming.


That doesn't mean its actually being done but it means the potential exists.

So, I say both sides need to accept the points of the other.

These trails are easily explainable so long as they dicipate moderatly fast. Others require more explaination that may include none-conventional causes.

I don't think it is happening because there is no evidence it is happening. I think the US invading Iraq was stupid, but there is probably enough evidence to conclude it happened.


They are currently spraying poisons over the people of Columbia in a (failed attempt) to eliminate the coca crop. And I'm sure they military have sprayed noxious chemicals on other occasions. I've never denied this, but what has it got to do with "chemtrails"?



As usual there is no evidence to support "chemtrails" so you start presenting evidence on something else entirely, in this case Gulf War syndrome, hoping it will somehow prop up your other argument. It is totally irrelevant.

*itches furiously*

ACK, ANOK!!!



Are there patents on the operation of a spray program to pump aluminum and barium dust into the atmosphere? Yes. Is it happening? Unlikely.. the radar screens say so atleast.

One should really take a gander at some of the other patents that are out there... you'll be much surprised at just what's been thought up, and how little of it is actually in practice.

If the existance of a patent is the only leg this issue is standing on... well...

OK, fair enough. I've been doing all my typing with a grin on my face...


And that pretty much sums this whole debacle up. All we do have is paranoia and certain people intentionally carrying out a hoax.


There isn't any patent for a machine that will create "chemtrails". There are patents for devices to arial spraying from planes, nobody is denying this.


But what are the points of the "believers"? That "contrails look different from when I was kid and I'm a bit paranoid therefore they are spraying chemicals". No, I won't accept that.



I'm afraid you are wrong there. Contrails do not have a set "life-span", it purely depends on the atmospheric conditions. This is all explained by conventional science. OTS et al have gone into it on numerous threads, but you might like to read: www.abovetopsecret.com... which sets it out very clearly.

Search the chem trail sites: Samples have been collected and findings are being catologed, Have been for years.

All you have to do is go out to your car(hopefully is clean... ) , and look at all those tiny spider web looking things on your cars windows, antenas, mirrors etc.... Those arent spider webs, spider webs are pretty tuff and pretty sticky....These things evaperate most of the time the min you touch them or are repelled by your touch...Go ahead, check em out....

Difficult ANOK, in ATS, anyway. The usual set of marauders jump in at the first opportunity and disrupt the thread with their corporate 'science'
It would be interesting what a thread of the open-minded and the enquiring looked like , without the band of motivated trashers

I don't know about Saturn exactly, FatherLukeDuke, though we are part of a living Solar System, all I'm in touch with are earth-bound energy systems, and sylphs are evident daily in the sky, as are many sky anomalies around my way. No more white-outs from your con-trails, my chemtrails
The dissipation observable on a day-to-day basis
With the assistance of ground operatives, naturally

Recheck those sites. Recheck these threads. Go ahead, contact the labs these samples were allegedly sent to. We already have. You can't confirm the data. You can't confirm the source. Therefore, you are basing your belief on trusting those who have made a fairly profitable career out of lying to gullible people on the Internet.


Well... she was clean before all these awesome storms. But not once have I encountered a webbing that just disappeared instantly when touched, and I'll put money on neither have you. If you mean they rapidly break down, but are still there, well sir.. you could possibly have a mold problem.
But in all reality it seems you have been underexposed in the spider department. Or how about the mite department? Locusts? GRASSHOPPERS? Eight legged arachnids spinning intricate symmetrical marvels of high tensile silken mastery are not the only kind of 'webs' being spun by insects.

Yeah that'll never happen, 'cause I'm affraid the debunkers are succeeding in their mission of turning the sheeple and fence sitters off of even looking into chemtrails...

It's become a taboo subject, due to the fear of ridicule, through the efforts of our de-bunking friends.

I mean, who wants to be labelled one of the "crazy chemies" on ATS?

"The Earth is flat I tell you!"

AP&F...