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What's wrong with Islam

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posted on May, 31 2005 @ 07:48 PM
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Rcognizing that not everyone here is a Christian or an American, I ask what is wrong with Islam?

Like the Christians, the Muslims believe in ONE god. That is pretty much the basis for all Jewish and therefore Christian belief. So what's the problem?

The Muslims like the Christian and the Jews, believe that their one god deserves all respect and admiration. So what's the problem?

The Muslims, like the Christians and the Jews, believe that it is their duty to preach to people who don't believe the same that they believe. So what's the problem?

The Muslims, like the Christians and the Jews, believe that when one encouters one who is not like them they must be converted or eradicated. So what's the problem?

The Muslims, like the Christian and the Jews, believe that when they go to war their God goes with them. So what's the problem?

The Muslims, like the Christians and the Jews, believe that when you die, if you lived a good life, you go to heaven. So what's the problem?

The point I'm trying to make is that THERE IS NO PROBLEM. We're all reflecting the same truth just from different positions.




posted on May, 31 2005 @ 10:16 PM
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"kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191);
"fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5);
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (5:34).

check it out for yerself, check out this verse, the ONLY verse in the Koran to state how tro get to heaven, flat our gaurantee.

-b]
"* "As for those who are slain in the cause of God, He will not allow their works to perish. ... He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them." (47:4-6)"

now, just what is the cause of Allah to be slain for?
****# "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme" (8:39)
**** * "Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given ... and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (9:29)
obviously Isreal is against Allah and those Arab countries, so Islamist must kill the disbeliever where they find them, and as a reward, Allah likes that, they go to heaven. US and Isreal is no friend of Allah obviously, so that answers it guys...



posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 01:07 AM
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Edited For Clarity:

"What is wrong with Islam:

Like the Christians, the Muslims believe in ONE god.

The Muslims (don't) like the Christian and the Jews, (don't) believe that their one god deserves all respect and admiration.

The Muslims, like the Christians and the Jews, believe that it is their duty to preach to people who don't believe the same that they believe.

The Muslims, like the Christians and the Jews, believe that when one encouters one who is not like them they must be converted or eradicated.

The Muslims, like the Christian and the Jews, believe that when they go to war their God goes with them.

We're all reflecting the same (hogwash) just from different positions."

Among other things...

[edit on 1-6-2005 by Chakotay]



posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 02:40 AM
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Zen_Doh and Chakotay,
the truth is somewhere in between of what you said.

Zen_Doh post shows what should unite us, the similarities.
Chakotay's more dark post shows what divides us, the hogwash of insane interpretations of our respective faiths roaming the globe right now.


Slicky1313, you might wanna brush up on your Quran knowledge.

Who goes to Heaven:

"(2:62) Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who believes in GOD, and believes in the Last Day, and leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve"



posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by paperclip
Who goes to Heaven:

"(2:62) Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who believes in GOD, and believes in the Last Day, and leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve"


So Islam basically says, if you believe in God and follow your religion, you go to heaven, correct?



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Zen_Doh
The Muslims, like the Christians and the Jews, believe that when one encouters one who is not like them they must be converted or eradicated. So what's the problem?


Actually, Christians and Jews do not believe in forcing our religion on anyone or killing them.

Romans 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." 20 No, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Exodus 20:13 - "You shall not kill."

On the other hand, Islam supports killing and forcing conversion. Read Slick1313's post. They should still be at peace with Christians and Jews though, as opposed to fighting. It's just that aspect of killing and forcing conversion that sets them aside from us.

"The Muslims, like the Christians and the Jews, believe that when you die, if you lived a good life, you go to heaven. So what's the problem? "
In fact, nobody can get to heaven under any of these religions. We all require repentance and forgiveness to get there. Muslims and Christians get it from Jesus's sacrifice on the cross (He lived a sinless life and died an unjust death so we could be forgiven. He took our punishment, so now we can repent and be forgiven.) Jews have to repent and also get forgivenness on things like the Day of Atonement, IIRC. Living a good life is a good thing, but it alone will not get you to heaven. I'll explain more later, bbl.


[edit on 3-6-2005 by DanD9]



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by DanD9
On the other hand, Islam supports killing and forcing conversion. Read Slick1313's post. They should still be at peace with Christians and Jews though, as opposed to fighting. It's just that aspect of killing and forcing conversion that sets them aside from us.





You really need to study history.



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by DanD9
On the other hand, Islam supports killing and forcing conversion. Read Slick1313's post. They should still be at peace with Christians and Jews though, as opposed to fighting. It's just that aspect of killing and forcing conversion that sets them aside from us.





You really need to study history.


What do you mean? I know people say they do stuff in the name of God, but it's only for themselves in most cases, or because they are deluded. Read this:

Romans 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all.

The Catholic Church often acts against Christianity. I dont know what makes them think they are outside of God's law; but it was not a Christian act.



posted on Jun, 3 2005 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by DanD9
Actually, Christians and Jews do not believe in forcing our religion on anyone or killing them.

Actually, neither do muslims. Forgive me for being so blunt, but slicky is wrong. He/she posted random incomplete quotes, some of which fuse 2 verses that weren't even together in the Quran. The Quran itself states that "There is no compulsion in religion". You can't convert someone at the point of a gun. Islam would not consider that a valid conversion.

Infinite, it's exactly as it says. If you believe in God, the last day, and do good, you'll end up in heaven. Your religion doesn't really factor into it. Islam as a religion was revealed to Muhammad (besides from stopping idolatory) so as to minimise the suffering and punishment before recieving the final reward.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Zen_Doh
Rcognizing that not everyone here is a Christian or an American, I ask what is wrong with Islam?


What's wrong with Islam? For starters.... Wahhabists and their ilk. Be that as it may, I dare say the majority of religions have sects that claim to be the true representation of what their Founder espoused, etc. Noting similarities alone will not suffice to bridge the gaps that divide us. The bottom line is that humankind has a passion for oneupsmanship and sectarianism and ... sadly ... violence.
:bash:
"We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another." ~ Jonathan Swift



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by DanD9
The Catholic Church often acts against Christianity. I dont know what makes them think they are outside of God's law; but it was not a Christian act.


What the hell are you talking about
We are not outside Gods law. We were infact the first church that was founded by Jesus.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 03:17 PM
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The Koran and Bible do not mesh together. The Koran says do more good than bad and maybe you'll make it to heaven. The Bible says good works don't earn salvation, receiving Christ for the forgiveness of sins is how you live forever, then good works show you are saved,they are not done to be saved.

I'm sorry but true Islamists say that the Koran says to spread Islam by force. True christians know that salvation has to be accepted by someone it can't be forced on them at gunpoint.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
The Koran and Bible do not mesh together. The Koran says do more good than bad and maybe you'll make it to heaven. The Bible says good works don't earn salvation, receiving Christ for the forgiveness of sins is how you live forever, then good works show you are saved,they are not done to be saved.

So in christianity- unlike Moslem.. good works aren't a preuequeste for getting into heaven, but purging sins [bad deeds] for the sake of Jesus is? Think I prefer the koran's ethics then. Thanks for the education.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by riley
So in christianity- unlike Moslem.. good works aren't a preuequeste for getting into heaven, but purging sins [bad deeds] for the sake of Jesus is? Think I prefer the koran's ethics then. Thanks for the education.




In christianity Christ died for your sins and you receive Christ as Savior and you are forgiven. The Holy Spirit then dwells in you and begins to work in you and reveals to you the truth and you have a new nature that wants to be changed and The Holy Spirit changes you from the inside out as you surrender to Him.

In Islam their is no forgiveness for your sins already committed or future sins. The goal is to do more good deeds than bad deeds. What if you don't accomplish that?

It's your choice on which to do. Choose the guaranteed way or the maybe way.

[edit on 5-6-2005 by dbrandt]



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56

Originally posted by DanD9
The Catholic Church often acts against Christianity. I dont know what makes them think they are outside of God's law; but it was not a Christian act.


What the hell are you talking about
We are not outside Gods law. We were infact the first church that was founded by Jesus.


Nobody is outside God's law; but the Catholic Church sometimes does stuff like have icons and stuff.

Oh and DBrandt - the maybe way doesnt even work.... lol

The koran has several verses about how you get mercy and forgivenness if you die fighting infidels. lol.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by dbrandt


In Islam their is no forgiveness for your sins already committed or future sins.



You are very wrong there.
There IS forgiveness in Islam. God forgives your sins if you truly repent in your heart, much like Christianity. We just don't go through Jesus, then Holy Ghost and then God.
We believe that God sees what is in one's heart and forgives directly if one truly repents. No need for middle man, church, other people, prophets, it is just between you and God. He is the Almighty, so he can do it.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by DanD9
Nobody is outside God's law; but the Catholic Church sometimes does stuff like have icons and stuff.


What icons would these be we dont worship icons and what other stuff is there? Hmm?

[edit on 6/6/2005 by Croat56]



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