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Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Just as most people in the world (not just Britain) actually do not judge all Americans by George Bush you should not judge us by Tony Blair.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Furthermore, you might just want to read up a bit more on the General Election we just had. It was not a "Prime Minister Election".
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
The bottom line here is what do you want friendship or a lapdog?
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
We let you get on with Vietnam and you let us get on with the Falklands.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Funnily enough we are not. We are not happy to see our troops sent out to die so that your President and his cronies can fill their wallets.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
The whole BS about regime change and "bringing democracy" to Iraq is offensive to those of us with the ability to read above kindergarten level.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
If there was no oil in Iraq this would not be happening.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Furthermore, what about democracy in Saudia Arabia? You might cry that they have oil. The difference is that they are under your control (well almost, they did happen to kill 3000 people on 11/09/01)
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Look around the world and there are dozens of tinpot dictators like Saddam Hussein. So where is the regime change for the "huddled masses" in these countries?
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
So the next time you want to come on here and have a complaining session about how nobody loves America anymore, take a moment to ponder why.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Empire screwed up, so did the Roman Empire. Does that make it OK for the US Empire to make the same mistakes "only bigger"?
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
You sir, suffer from a terminal case of externalism. As do many of your countrymen on this site.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
No ability to take responsibility for your actions. In fact unable to see that your actions WILL have consequences.
Originally posted by marg6043
You posted a thread, I found it interesting, I posted my views, but hey is not what you wanted to hear, well not everything is the way we want most of the time. Just like our politicians policies they are not always the best but we tend to follow their lead blindly. So what do you think US should do with the British now that in your views they are not longer friends? Invade them, put sanctions against them, denied them our friendship back? It will be kind of childish, don't you think? If our politician were to do any of that.
Funny, I never judge all British by Tony Blair. It's more likely judging by how many crazy, raunchy and vicious Brit tabloids and opportunistic politicians you have.
Funny, we were YOUR lapdogs in WW 1 and WW 2.
Uh, wasn't Vietnam a French issue in the 1950s that got somehow became an American mess? Your Falklands war have nothing to do with us. Argentina had a dispute over that island(s) and you Brits wouldn't give up that little cold corner of the world occupied by British holdovers and a bunch of penguins.
Iraq WAS YOUR MESS! Period. If the British didn't have anything to do with the invasion and occupation of Mesopotamia in World War I, then who would?! The French? The Arabs? The Turks? The Persians?
Just like you did to the Iraqis...er.... the people of Mesopotamia... after World War I?
Democracy was never introduced to the Arabian peninsula after World War I because of different power struggles among Arabic tribes and your British diplomats made some trade-off deals to keep the peace throughout the peninsula under the powerful Saudi family that rules the kingdom since the 18th century. If democracy did introduce into the Arabian peninsula before World War II, I would shudder at the thought of very different outcomes: possibly a fanatical Wahhabi government dictating how its vast oil reserves should be based on Allah's divine will with other nations in need of oil.
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Look around the world and there are dozens of tinpot dictators like Saddam Hussein. So where is the regime change for the "huddled masses" in these countries?
Do we need your permission slip to stop Kim Jong Il or the Ayatollah of Iran?
Oh, for God's sake, there is NO, I repeat, NO American Empire!!! It's a fantasy perpetuated by anti-American leftists and paranoid folks with irrational fears about the PNAC agenda. The PNAC is based on protecting American national and economic security interests in the face of changing political conditions and threats in the post-Cold War period and it is all designed to counter the growing powers of China, the only other superpower on pace to become the 21st century's newest hyperpower. The language of PNAC may be politically vague about America's true interests in the world but it is really all to deter China and eventually the EU.
As did your countrymen one hundred years ago.
Unlike you Brits, we deal with consequences one way or another.
Originally posted by xpert11
The notion that the British are no longer a friend of America is Rubbish.
Originally posted by xpert11
the_oleneo George Galloway is only one man who issued a healthly dose of reality to a bunch of Neo Cons.
Originally posted by xpert11
Do you expect your allies to follow you blindly? If so your a fool. Mind you anyone who thinks diagreeing with Bush is anti american must be blind to facts or they have the mind of a 10 year old.
Originally posted by stumason
Not quite sure how you came to that conclusion. Both WW made alot of cash for the US, especially WW2. And during that very same war and even now, the Supreme Commander always had to be a US Officer. Doesn't seem very lapdoggy to me, does it?
Originally posted by stumason
Vietnam "somehow" became a US problem due to your policy of trying to contain Communism.
The Falklands irked us as you continues to trade with Argentina after the invasion whilst you where supposed to be an ally of us. Technically, the entire of NATO should have come a running, due to the clause which stipulates than any attack on one member is an attack on all. But we did it ourselves, 10,000 miles from home, with crappy kit (as usual).
And it isn't "occupied by British Holdovers", they are British Subjects and it is British Territiry and needed to be defended. Plus, there is alot of oil near there
Originally posted by stumason
Shows how much you know. We didn't invade in the slightest. We took over those lands as part of a League of Nations Mandate after WW1 from the Ottoman TURKS who had controlled it before. Debate the ethics of aquiring more land for "Empire" if you like, but is was at least sanctioned by the international community.
Originally posted by stumason
You are right on the second point about stopping radicals controlling the oil, but you can't then moan about us not "bringing democracy" IN THE SAME BREATH? WHAT DO YOU WANT?
Originally posted by stumason
BHR is saying if you are saving the Iraqis from Saddam, then why not Zimbabwe, Sudan, Korea, blah-blah, blah-blah...the list goes on... If you really are saving them, then save others and don't igonre them. Nowhere does he say you need our permission and I doubt you would ask anyway.
Originally posted by stumason
Ok, you have a go at us for being paranoid about PNAC as it is onyl to secure AMERICAN interests at the expense of CHINA and the EU.... The UK is part of the EU, so shouldn;t we be at the very least a little concerned? Its ok for you guys over there, but from our point of view, you are getting very selfish and greedy and want to make sure America is top at the expense of our own lands! Don't fancy working together then, no?
Originally posted by the_oleneo
Typical British attitude you're showing.
[edit on 5/29/2005 by the_oleneo]
Uh, not quite. Eisenhower was appointed as Supreme Commander of all the Allied Forces in Europe upon agreement made by the President Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill, General George C. Marshall (Eisenhower's boss) and the Allies. Field Marshal Montgomery suggested he, himself, should be SACEUR, not Eisenhower; a great battlefield general he was but he was a pompous peacock.
Uh, not quite. The British and its Commonwealth troops DID invaded Mesopotamia in 1915 and won it over the Turks in 1918. Approximately 52,000 British and Commonwealth troops died in the invasion and occupation of Mesopotamia until 1932.
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm just pointing out the similarity of what happened in the Middle East in World War I and the Iraqi war in 2003. The British thought they have the best interests in mind for the people of Iraq at the time, control of oil fields was very much in the British mind.
You are under the impression that we Americans are trying to impose our version of democracy in Iraq.
Do you really expect the US to do all the policing and saving other peoples while the rest of you are contended to sit back and sip away your cups of tea and crumpets?
Hey, what's wrong with that? We knows how to win and know how to get what we wanted. We just wanted other countries to stop fighting among themselves or quit their constant b*tchings about us. That's the attitude of whining losers.
Originally posted by stumason
Getting slighlty skewed there. We may have "invaded", but that was to fight the Turks not to snatch the region (note: Mesopotamia wasn't a country). We received the mandate after the war to preserve the staus quo. Could hardly have the worlds oil under the control of Wahabis now could we? (your point ). And once we had stabalised the region we installed puppet regimes and started the ground work for a democracy.
Originally posted by stumason
Anyway, getting slightly off point there. Iraq isn't "our" mess. Your the ones who propped up Saddam, your the ones who supplied him with WMD, your the ones who sanctioned them for 10 years and buggered their country and your the ones who have screwed up the occupation. How in Gods name is any of that a British problem?
Originally posted by stumason
Not at all, I would prefer it if no-one did without the express permission of the UN.
Originally posted by stumason
If it is not the case and you don't want to be a policeman, then don't go round with your chest puffed out, claiming to bring "democracy and freedom" to the poor masses of the world, as you are quite clearly not.
Originally posted by stumason
There is nothing wrong with looking out for your own, but at the expense of friends, thousands of lives and worldwide respect (which you had prior to 2003). Perhaps you could work with other countries rather than bombing them? Novel concept I know, but it's cheaper and you might actually like it....but then, the Military-Industrial complex needs it's wars and bad guys to keep the money rolling in of an increasingly paranoid (and gullible) American public.
Originally posted by the_oleneo
See my avatar. That's YOUR UN Policeman of the future. Permission not needed.
Well, when the UN forces are in the American soil, rounding up US citizens in the name of world peace, we'll remember your "supports" and gratitude.
Coddling and appeasing with terrorists, criminals and dictators with cups of tea and crumpets are YOUR things. You tried it with Hitler and looked what happened!
Originally posted by cargo
I'm sensing confliction here. You really are starting to feel like you have no friends in the world. And it bothers you. Humilty is crushed to make way for inferiority complex defenses (individual), however, and the result is just a run-of-the-mill whine session.
Originally posted by devilwasp
Yes an american soldier, in an american suit with the UN flag cough shield cough on his head is really the "policeman" of the future.
Originally posted by devilwasp
Oh yeah now the UN is a NWO....
Originally posted by devilwasp
You did supply terrorists, you did supply dictators and guess what you even PUT those dictators in power!