Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Vagabond, there are quite a few of moderate Demo's around. The problem is if we are anywhere to the left of Attila the Hun we have the big "L"
word thrown at us.
That's exactly my problem with extremists. I know there are moderates out there in both parties, but they don't have enough pull because many of
them couldn't defect in good conscience.
The problem isn't that you're not to the right of Atila the Hun exactly- the problem is that even though you personally may be a moderate, your
party is electing certain people who are left of Vladamir Lennin. And the converse is also true: my problem is not that I'm to the not to the left of
Lennin. My problem is even though I may be a moderate, my party is electing people who are to the right of Atila. That's what the extremists do to
Just for example, I think Bush is out of his friggin mind on the stem cell issue. It seems like there's a pretty good section of the conservative
side which feels that way in fact. But what are we going to do about it? Put our support behind Dean's left and get stemcells as a package deal with
abortion, lack of parental notification, etc?
Then if I was a liberal, I might think that local democrats like "One Bill" Gill Sedillo are wrong on immigration, but what would I do about it? Go
over to Bush's right and accept it as a package deal with unconstitutional investigation processes against immigrants who are suspected of terrorism
just for having arab names?
So my point is that I'd like to see the parties have to fight for votes by coming towards the middle and taking positions which represent the
majority view in as many issues as possible.
For example, if an overwhelming majority of Americans wanted A, which a given party was against, and yet that party got elected on other issues, I
think that party has an obligation to give in to the majority view. That's never going to happen though unless the parties come so close to the
center (and thus to one another) they have to make the right choice on every issue.
I consider myself a conservative with liberal motives. I want the things that liberals want- high wages, universal healthcare, freedom from
legislation of morality, especially where it stands in the way of progress (like the stemcell issue) etc.
I just happen to think that we have to get there by conservative means. I virtually never like to see a government organization handling something
that could have been put in the hands of a business. Companies which are in it for a profit will be more efficient, more dilligent in preventing
abuse, etc. Just for example, my plan for universal healthcare would be to mandate insurance programs for full time workers and institute minimum
contributions to those programs in lieu of minimum wage increases. That's what my union does for me- they bargain insurance costs into my wages and
put that money straight into our group plan.
I don't want to digress too much into all the details of my views, but the relevance here is that the current political situation is incredibly
frustrating because one party (Republican) is right on many issues in my opinion, especially where the nation itself is concerned, but doesn't seem
to care about the common man. The other party (Democrats) is dead wrong on a lot of important issues in my opinion, and although they at least have
some concern for the common man I don't feel that they're way of doing things is the best way to achieve that goal. So where can I turn?
If one of the parties falls (I don't care which, I just singled out Democrats because it seems more likely than the Republicans falling at this
point) then there's going to be something new coming down the pike which has to earn votes, and that would hopefully bring about a situation where we
had two moderate parties that generally agreed on the issues as the majority opinion dictated and only presented different means to the end desired by