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Originally posted by pepsi78
I'm not asking anyone to cheat or trick any one leave masonery at home and talk from person to person not from mason to person.
But i guess you cant do that since masonary is the first thing in your lifes
it's more important than family than your friends that you use to know.
It's brain wash, maybe some of you dont notice but for us it's amasing
deffending masonary till you die(just a organisation in your view)
[edit on 27-1-2006 by pepsi78]
Originally posted by Taconicus
and effectively became controlling by the 1810's in the United States.
Certainly no control from England, either 'Ancient' or 'Modern'.
Your standard histories are already failing you here.
Ergo, side degree.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
Isn't it also great when his "book of the law" gets spun into something it isn't? The "law is love" agenda? Did they not read the part about baby sacrifice and blood?
Exactly where in the Book of the Law do you reference "baby sacrifice"? If you're referring to AL III:12, you will of course understand he isn't talking about "sacrificing babies", in conjunction with the statement two verses later, "ye shall be sad thereof".
In his first commentaries on AL, Crowley says that this verse is so bitter, he does not wish to comment on it. In a later commentary, he acknowledges that it was a prophecy of the death of his oldest daughter. Concerning "blood", Crowley wrote in his commentaries that the magical formula of the Aeon of Osiris was the shedding of blood (typified by Christianity). In the Aeon of Horus, generation instead of death is viewed as the method of salvation, and thus "blood" becomes the seminal principle.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Taconicus
and effectively became controlling by the 1810's in the United States.
What do you intend by 'controlling' here though? Influence? As in with Pike's M&D influenced a lot of people's interpretations and understandings of the symbols? Or control as in controlling the bylaws and regulations and such?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by TaconicusCertainly no control from England, either 'Ancient' or 'Modern'.
I thought all lodges outside the US were 'modern' and the Ancients only started and existed in the colonies?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Taconicus
Your standard histories are already failing you here.
Come on come on, this is an interesting discussion, lets keep it about the topic and not let personalities clash.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Taconicus
Ergo, side degree.
I think we can all agree that its non-intergral and non-requisite and therefore can be called more or less a 'side degree'. No sense in belabouring the point. Anything beyond Apprentice, Fellow, and Master can be called side degrees, even though those three are often said to be 'subsumed' within the York Rite.
Originally posted by NygdanI am also, coincidentally enough, reading the first book of the Illuminatus Trilogy, and therein the Royal Arch is outlined by the inside lines of a standing woman's legs. I suspect ( ) that thats fanciful, but in this context, well, that certainly is something that guys can discuss for quite some time.
Originally posted by Taconicus
The best origin for 'Ancient' Freemasonry is Ireland and moving back into the North of England to compete with the older 'Modern' Freemasonry.
American colonies usually had 'Modern' systems, but virtually all were flipped during the Revolution,
That's not just me being abusive, but merely trying to drive the point home.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Taconicus
The best origin for 'Ancient' Freemasonry is Ireland and moving back into the North of England to compete with the older 'Modern' Freemasonry.
What ancient lodges are in Ireland? From what I understand about the Grande Lodge of Ireland, it was the one that granted a lot of the 'mobile' or traveling lodges to the various groups within the British Army.
Originally posted by Nygdan
American colonies usually had 'Modern' systems, but virtually all were flipped during the Revolution,
Interesting, I had thought it happened before the revolution, the revolution proper anyway.
Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
Now, it seems strange to mention the sacrifice of a baby only to be followed by "But not now."
Also in the book under the Comment: "Love is the law, love under will."
This charming love-stuff is very clear in the following bit:
Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
I do know my ideas aren't the only ones out there. Not trying to seem like I'm trying to get a last word in, but this is why I don't fear practitioners of the darkly nefarious arts. They are always self-obsessed and selfish and therefore ultimately doomed and mislead by that masturbatory sword with which they live.
Originally posted by Ravenmock1
To those supporters of secret societies. If you are gonna go with a membership based on secrecy. Then bet it all! Go with secret identities for all citizens, secret criminal courts...
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
When someone says "Masons are evil", what they mean is the people at the top of Masonic orders.
They will USUALLY (but not always) realize that the people at the bottom are kept ignorant of the Satan worship going on at the top.
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Oh, and for those who don't believe this..... Try offering a prayer to Jesus Christ at your next lodge meeting.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
When someone says "Masons are evil", what they mean is the people at the top of Masonic orders.
I seriously doubt that anyone who says such a thing knows anything about "the people at the top of Masonic orders".
They will USUALLY (but not always) realize that the people at the bottom are kept ignorant of the Satan worship going on at the top.
So why would "people at the top" want to worship your make believe boogey man?
How do you know this anyway? Because you read it on the Internet?
[edit on 18-7-2007 by Masonic Light]