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A Mason is a peaceable Subject to the Civil Powers, wherever he resides or works, and is never to be concern'd in Plots an Conspiracies against the Peace and Welfare of the Nation, nor to behave himself undutifully to inferior Magistrates; for as Masonry hath been always injured by War, Bloodshed, and Confusion, so ancient Kings and Princes have been much dispos'd to encourage the Craftsmen, because of their Peaceableness and Loyalty, whereby they practically answer’d the Cavils of their Adversaries, and promoted the Honour of the Fraternity, who ever flourish’d in Time of Peace. So that if a Brother should be a Rebel against the State he is not to be countenanced in his Rebellion, however he may be pitied as any unhappy Man; and, if convicted of no other Crime though the Loyal Brotherhood must and ought to disown hi Rebellion, and give no Umbrage or Ground of political Jealousy to the Government for the time being, they cannot expel him from the Lodge, and his Relation to it remains indefeasible.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Not at all, around what time period did this happen?
I DO know that the Scottish Rite degrees do not actually have Scottish origins, but rather French.
mrnecros
without the higher degrees of "The Scottish Rite" the 3rd degree makes no sense whatsoever
Originally posted by MrNECROS
Lets be frank, without the higher degrees of "The Scottish Rite" the 3rd degree makes no sense whatsoever.
It is the first "significant" degree of the Scottish Rite and clearly belongs to this rite.
The first two degrees likewise tie into the higher degrees as well
I have not read any comprehensive text that suggests otherwise, although they have always been intended to appear as though they *could* stand alone so long as the membership of a lodge was either Christian or Jewish.
Consider how poorly these "regular" rituals would go down in a lodge populated by Hindus or Muslems, who have their own varients that better tie in to their particular backgrounds.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
The York Rite doesn't continue the story of Hiram Abif, it's now an appendant body (has been since before Pike's time) and is seldom if ever confired without the Scottish Rite.
Heh heh - side degrees...this is a bit like saying that General is a "side rank" in the army.
Well I guess you could "say it" ...it just wouldn't be true.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
The York Rite doesn't continue the story of Hiram Abif, it's now an appendant body (has been since before Pike's time) and is seldom if ever confired without the Scottish Rite.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
Wow you have 1 Hindu member, sounds like it works a treat to me!
errrmmm ...no chance for a Muslem in there too?
The zeal of you guys cracks me up sometimes when you pretty well endorse something I say just by trying to deny it.
believe that York seriously antedates the Scottish Rite
from the other thread
The Stuarts objectives were not very different to those of the other Masonic schisms of the time (arguably even today) and they were willing accomplices of the Illuminati.
Freemasonry provided a means to destabilize the reigning monarchy and church which they gleefully took to.
The only real contention amongst the seminal works is as to whether or not both rights were coined by The Chevalier Ramsey, on the other hand if he did not then there is no one else that can be identified as a possible author.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Maceky notes that the 'higher' (and he uses that term) degrees in masonry, beyond the 3rd degree that is, are largey attributed to the Chevalier Ramsay, a Scot and the Tutor of the children of one of the Stuarts in exile. He notes that these degrees do have symbolic representations that can be interpreted as refering to the deposed king, his flight from the throne, his exile, and other episodes and characters in his life. He seems to imply, if I understand correctly, that the Scottish Rite system infact could very well be thought of as this, as being concerned with the catholic (and thus, apparently, popular with teh Scots) Stuart monarchy.
What he does reject however, is that the 2nd and 3rd degrees were part of any such Stuart invention. The claim there is that the myth in the 3rd degree was hijacked and reinterpreted by the Stuarts and their supporters, and that these higher degrees were added onto this newly interpreted base.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
The York Rite doesn't continue the story of Hiram Abif, it's now an appendant body (has been since before Pike's time) and is seldom if ever confired without the Scottish Rite.
The point to be made about Jaccobin Freemasonry is that until it's arrival there is very little (if any) evidence to the existence of Freemasonry prior to this time.