Richard Hoagland - Not Credible, page 1

I've been reading and listening to Richard Hoagland's material for years. He presents us with very convincing images, equasions, charts, stats, and information. Let me tell you he's quite a talker, and can make you belive anything... even though it's complete tripe!

Okay, when you have a person that is refered as a pseudoscientist, dosen't that give you a hint about this guys credibilty? Not only that, he's a pseudomathmatician, this guy creates his own math, and always seems to get the answer he wants (I wish I could do that and get away with it). Pseudoastronomer, all of his calculations are done in Imperial Units not SI units which tend to cause problems (remember that space probe that crashed on mars?).

He comes out with very bizzare mathematical numbers of distances that must mean aliens. But do you think aliens use the same method of counting or measument we use now?



(ABOVE) Richard Hoagland in his hightech labrotory.

HOAGLAND DEBUNKING SITES:

Here is a link about Richie: www.ufowatchdog.com...


Trust this real astronomer's veiws on Hoagland: www.badastronomy.com...


Can't say this guy is a complete write-off, he did come out with the idea of warm oceans under Europa's (moon of Jupiter, if you've been living under a rock for that last few years) ice layer which may actually be true (I belive it).

Now he came out this outragious new theory about Itepetus (Saturn's Moon) that it was built by aliens. Is that his answer to everything? Pyramids on mars? Aliens. Pyramids on Earth? Aliens (is he imposing that humans were to stupid back then?). Tsunami? Hyperdimensional occurance! Wow! This is the go-to guy for all of our problems! This universe is full of beautiful, odd, and mysterious wonders that are to occur naturaly. The saddest thing of it all, we will never prove his theories wrong, we are never going to land a probe on Itepetus in the near future. He covered up his tracks about the Face on Mars saying NASA nuked it when those high-res photos came in.

This man has been on Coast to Coast AM many times, propogating his tripe further. He turned down many fight-club like debates with real mathmaticians and astronomers on that radio show to discuss his information's credibilty.

It just seems to me this guy manipulates information to make you belive what he want's you to belive. I belived him at first, you may have too. I found my self ingnorant to have done so without researching it for myself! His information about aliens, cities on mars, and orbiting space stations refreshing in these times, that's why I and so many others belived him. I'll never make the same mistake again.

Richard's website (apparently a Star Trek fan): Richie's Little Site



I hope this opened your eyes a bit about this mans credibility. I'm not turning him down as a person, just his credentials.


Read, Reasearch, come up with your own conclusions, because I did.
Here on ATS we Deny Ignorance!



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There is some evidence that George Noory himself is questioning Hoagland's credibilty on this web page, it's a transcript from C2C when Hoagland explained how he was "under attack" by people that have actual carrers in the fields of science, math, and astronomy. This is Phil Plait that is getting attacked in this converstaion, he is a legitimate astronomer. -

Hoagland on Coast to Coast

Richard Hoagland seems to be very hostile, and may I say insane. He seems to be a very unprofessional person and snaps at every given moment to the point of yelling. George Noory defends Phil Plait throughout the conversation.

It's also seems that Richard Hoagland is a die-hard Star Trek fan. He bases alot of his theories on concepts from that show. This explains alot dosen't it?


I should have put this thread in the Aliens/UFO board, it would have recived much more attention there.

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Originally posted by GoldEagle
Can't say this guy is a complete write-off, he did come out with the idea of warm oceans under Europa's (moon of Jupiter

And neither that was his discovery.

He says, from his own mouth, that he published the first scientific paper that there might be an ocean, and life in it.
So, was he really the first? No, he wasn't. Hoagland's claims in this case are at best misleading.

First, while Star and Sky was a fine magazine, it was not a scientific journal. It was a popular magazine for amateur astronomers and astronomy enthusiasts. I have written for several magazines such as that myself, and writing for them is an entirely different matter than writing a scientific journal article. So right away, Hoagland claiming this is a "scientific paper" is a pretty big stretch of the truth.

Second, the idea of oceans on or in the moons of Jupiter had been around for many years before Hoagland published his article. John Lewis, a scientist at the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory at the University of Arizona published an article in 1971 about this in volume 15 of Icarus, a (scientific!) journal of planetary sciences. The article was entitled "Satellites of the Outer Planets: Their Physical and Chemical Nature". At the time, his arguments were based on somewhat incomplete data, but later he published a paper (with Guy Consolmagno) which appeared in 1976 in the book "JUPITER: Studies of the interior, atmosphere, magnetosphere, and satellites" (edited by T. Gehrels) which gives better details of the moons' interiors. This clearly establishes that Lewis thought of this ocean idea before Hoagland did.
www.badastronomy.com...

Originally posted by sardion2000
It's a pitty really...

When aim of life of someone is lying only pity is that he's still allowed to deteriorate alreary bad enough human gene pool with average iq already lower than room temperature (in Celcius scale).



PS. And there's error in name, it's Hoaxland.

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