Anarchists Attack Athens

reply to post by whitewave

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I agree, the quote of yours I used is something I do agree with. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.

As for the story, I suppose the latest is the best to discuss, but they are one and the same groups of people, so maybe the best topic would be the general political scene in Greece that allows the situation to develop?

Perhaps the OP would like to steer the discussion since he's the one who resurrected this thread?

Actually, there were three different incidents, as I've bumped it twice over the years. Anyway, these incidents are obviously related. And these battles between the (self-described) anarchists and the police/politicians/authorities have been going on for a very long time. It didn't start with the story in the OP. So I guess the topic in general is not the separate incidents by themselves, but as the title says: "Anarchists Attack Athens". Anything related to this. What are the Anarchists goals/mission? What are the authorities' goals/mission? Are there any possible solutions, and in that case what might be the solution?

Btw, I can see some similarities between these riots/clashes in Greece and the clashes/riots in Copenhagen Denmark. The riots in Copenhagen, Denmark were also between leftists/anarchists and police/authorities. And they also used websites to urge supportes to come and fight for their cause.

reply to post by stumason

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Yes Stumason, I read the article. I even read the whole thing.

It was from the article that I formed my questions to begin with.

Not too mention I quoted from the article myself in the post you replied to

In the article there are no quotes from the 'anarchists' themselves. Only the conjecture of the journalist who authored it, stating the rioters were anarchists. It mentions "leftist groups" and a website. The article does not give details as to the organization they may belong to, or the nature of this website. It describes a protest that escalated into rioting.

You and Hellmut are saying they are 'self-described' anarchists. I am going to have to conclude that you guys are privy to information I am not, since the article does not suggest this in of itself. (the old video and article links are now defunct)

So what do you know about this that I wasn't able to collect from this recent article, and how does it justify them being called anarchists?

My obvious concern is that the term 'anarchist' is being used synonymously with 'mayhem' and 'rioters'. If they are calling themselves anarchists then I fully understand why the journalist is (although self-describing yourself something doesn't necessarily make you that thing). So how do you know they are self-described as such? And what do you know about this website? And what do you know about this "leftist-group"?

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

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I know that many (but not all) of the activists/rioters in Denmark like to call themselves anarchists, and they're proud of it. But like you also said, it doesn't mean that they're really anarchists, even if they may believe so themselves. Anyway, some think "anarchist" is a negative word, while others think it's a positive word. An "anarchist" is not the same as a "terrorist", even though some may use the word as if it means the same thing.

The riots won't stop...

There are no indications of the protests ending any time soon. The killing of Alexandros Grigoropoulos has triggered something that looks like a revolution, and it's spreading...


NTDTV: Riots Erupt Again in Athens

YouTube Link

Greek Democracy's Worst Enemy ?

YouTube Link

Those who call themselves Anarchists are generally violent and work in groups. That changes the original meaning of the word. Calling an Anarchist a Terrorist would seem to be a fairly good description in the modern sense.

They want no authorities or rules and yet they use force to force others to their point of view. The Anarchists of modern times are probably among the most hypocritical group on the planet.

Here's a video with pictures from Athens, December 2008