A "matrix-like" way of Super memory (eliminates School?)

1. the brain is like a super computer, far more powerful than any actual computer.

2. - however -the human brain has filters, needs filters, (like actual computers)otherwise it would "crash". (autistic people dont have filters or the same filters)

3. When we are hypnotised....well you know what happens...we can access anything, edit our personalities, brainwash people.....etc

So my question - Why o why hasnt someone built a machine (perhaps with a headset), that first hypnotises you, displays information - whether its how to build yachts......, spanish for beginners......, how to learn kung fu??.........and then -programmes you- tells you to remember this info.?

the whole "learning" process would only take as long as it takes to physically display the information (whether it be normal speed, x2, x4, x10?)

Not exactly the Matrix plug-in-the-back-of-your-head bur i can't believe no one has thought to do this. like......Ultra hypnotising/brainwashing 2.0....

[edit on 7-5-2005 by Shadow88]

An ATS member...I think here name is seriouslyone, something like that.
Sorry for misspelling it.

Well she seems to know alot about hypnosis and all that comes with it.
Might want to ask her...

Hmm, good point, I dunno man. It seems possible, but from what I see in movies people cannot remember what they said or remembered under hypnosis,,,,like in K-PAX.

I think that might be an issue to consider.....they will have info, but might not remember it.

[edit on 7/5/2005 by SportyMB]

You idea sounds good,or you could find a way to safely remove the filters, there are people that have been born without brain filters, and stil led a completely normal life, even without the side effect of being autistic. that might have only been one guy, but i know i read about someone like that somewhere.

i thought of K-PAX aswel, quite a kwel movie. but no they dont remember unless they are told explicitly to remember their hypnosis session. otherwise they wake up and its eitha like a blurry dream or they dont remember at all. al it would have to do is say "Now...when i count to ten you will wake up...and be able to perform these tasks and remember all of the information stated previously. 10...9.....getting more awake...8...." etc!

and voila!

I think the indoctrination issue would be a much bigger concern here, can you just imagine how easy it would be to indoctrinate people (good or bad) and sometimes not even know till the specific programming is trigger (hey it's a conspiracy site). Like remember that crappy movie demolition man where the prisoners would be programmed much the way you are suggesting and how the Wesley snipes character couldn't fight back against his programmer, Imagine being made a sheep of the government (well that's not much of a change) but imagine not even been able to verbally disagree with the powers that be.

Conservatives imagine Mr. Soros in control of this technology
Liberals imagine Ms. Coulter writing Talking Points.....

and you see what I mean, other than that It's a great Idea very efficient and would greatly advance mankind if it can be used the right way and not abused. Imagine the military Implications of this, we’ll be creating specialist in weeks instead of years.

or how bout this- Get a bunch of nano things, train each one to record a different peice of information and you can go to learn*mart. then, just go to like the science section, buy a tube of non things concerning the darwin theory, then go home and mix them with your favorite drink!(!WARNING! Beware of carbonated drinks, as this can kill the nano things and screw your brain up-bad.) but anyways you take it and now you know eveyrything about the darwin theory, and if you act now, you get a free usb cord so you can download the latest drivers for your brain. If you cant tell, i am bored.

o no Schmidt1989

u misunderstood....the process isnt any kind of dangerous removing of filters (while that could work i dont know....that is a different thing)

This is just normal hypnosis....nothing more, nothing less. Just displaying data and telling you to remember it.


(a guy was asked.....simply asked under hypnosis into hating the smell of manure....he was asked to pick it up...he did, cursing and holding his nose the whole time.....then he was put back under and told he liked the smell....he was again asked to pick it up and he acted like a farmer or sumat and kept sayin "fwoar! luvli tht is! propa fresh!") basically its that easy

if its so easy, could it be possible to ask a guy to sing the star spangled banner in english-

Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Then in Spanish-

¿El Oh, opinión puede usted ver, por la luz temprana del amanecer, qué nosotros granizó tan orgulloso en destellar pasado del crepúsculo? ¿De quién amplias rayas y estrellas brillantes, con la lucha peligrosa, O'er los terraplenes que miramos, tan galantemente fluíamos? Y el fulgor rojo de los cohetes, las bombas que estallaban en aire, dio la prueba con la noche que nuestra bandera todavía estaba allí. ¿Opinión de O, esa bandera estrella-star-spangled todavía agita O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente? ¿En la orilla, considerada dévil a través de las nieblas del profundo, dónde el anfitrión arrogante del enemigo en silencio del pavor descansa, qué es el que la brisa, o'er el escarpado elevado, como fitfully sopla, mitad encubre, mitad divulga? Ahora coge el destello de la primera viga de la mañana, en gloria completa ahora reflejados brillos en la corriente: ¡' Tis la bandera estrella-star-spangled! O largo puede él agitar O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente. ¿Y dónde es esa venda que tan vauntingly juró que el estrago de la guerra y el hogar de la confusión A de la batalla y un país debe dejarnos no más? Su sangre ha limpiado fuera de la contaminación de su paso asqueroso. Ningún refugio podía ahorrar el hireling y el esclavo del terror del vuelo, o el abatimiento del sepulcro: Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en la onda O'er del doth del triunfo la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente. ¡Oh! ¡así sea siempre, cuando los freemen estarán parados entre su amó hogares y el desolation de la guerra! Blest con la victoria y la paz, puede la alabanza cielo-rescatada de la tierra la energía que el hath nos hizo y preservó una nación. Entonces conquístenos debe, cuando nuestra causa él es justa, y éste sea nuestro lema: "en dios está nuestra confianza." ¡Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en triunfo agitará O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente!


What if he didnt know spanish, could he still do it?


[edit on 5/7/2005 by Schmidt1989]

yur right there would have to be special centres, unbiased (controlled by........i duno, charity groups) there would have to be like a whole new law against tampering......reminds me of when they put subliminal messagin to TV...

yeah, and they could hack it maybe and be able to teach themselves or someone anything.

but no they dont remember unless they are told explicitly to remember their hypnosis session

If under hypnosis he cannot remember, then how is he able to remember the hypnotist telling him to remember? And that is the problem!

Seriously though...I thought all that you like the smell poop stuff was fake.
Is it fake or not?

YES and NO under hypnosis you can only recall things you have heard.....(normally it is simply harder....or extremely harder to remember these things....not impossible...just harder)

if you havent heard the star spangled banner in spanish, then you can't recite the star spangled banner in spanish.

Or alternatively....if you have learned spanish and know all the words (separately) in the star spangled banner then you would convert it into spanish.

What's wierd in my opinion, is the way some people behave after head trauma. There have been reported instances where people who know only their native language get smacked in the head, and start speaking perfect French, or Dutch, or whatever, pick a language.

There are instances where people get knocked on the head and wake up to know about things they have no business knowing, like ancient cultures in my grandma's case. She was a simple person, barely educated, lived in the highlands all her life, and she ran a fever or something for an extended period of time, and when it passed, she knew all about Egypt. She was always talking about Egypt after that, it sort of freaked her husband out I think.

Anyway, they had a kid shortly after, my mom, and she has never displayed anything of the sort, then again, she's never gotten knocked on the head.

Is it possible some people have ancestral memory? Or some form of collective memory, either accesible from other dimensions, or from some genetic/muscle/cellular memory storage device as yet unproven? Could that be the root of learning that we need to cultivate to bestow collective, super memory?

Would be interesting, fascinating even, if it were true.

And more on topic, at least one company makes goggles you wear that hypnotize you and teach you the secrets of success or something. I'm not sure if they've branched out to do math, science, history and the like, but it's entirely possible. The things don't really work well, at least I don't think they do. Sounds like snake oil to me personally.

Still, if someone has any experience with these learning systems, let us know.

the subconscience mind is very complicated SportyMB
...For some reason if you tell someone to remember their hypnosis experience, they will. if you say nothing you will awake and the H E i like a dream...which fades quickly....if you say "when you awake...u shal rememba nothing!" then you temember nothing!

Sorry, no “Super Learning” with protein neurons.

Short term memory is approximately 7 “bytes” big (where a byte is a is a pretty large thing, like a concept or a small thing like a number). It takes repeated exposure or “refreshing” in short term memory to move something into long term memory.

Long term memory is holographic in nature. This is why you can lose some brain cells every second of your life yet not leak memory like a sieve (although we do lose some things). Try it out on a holographic picture, cut the picture in half and you still get the whole image only at a lower resolution.

Long term memory has slow write access and fast read access. Short term memory has fast read / write access. This all has to do with protein’s ability to “flip” a logical gate between states. I think the book “Age of Spiritual Machines” explains that our processing speed is about 7 operations per second. We think so quickly because we have something like 10 trillion nodes and they ALL flip almost simultaneously.

So learning something “quickly” is not really in the dice for now.

I think our best hope is to replace, neuron by neuron, our protein hardware with silicon hardware. They’ve done it in a lobster so we could possibly do it in a human. Once we have silicon brains we’d “flip” gates at about 10,000,000 times faster and THEN we could start memory upgrades, plugins, etc. We'd learn 10,000,000 faster as well which means about 60 seconds after you're born you'd be a PHD in several majors.

Here’s a link were protein neurons were replaced with silicon neurons, quite successfully.
ucsdnews.ucsd.edu...

This link explains the STM and LTM operations in detail as well as how memories are encoded and how we “forget” stuff. (Looks like LTM leaks…).

brain.web-us.com...

Correct me if I'm wrong but, Computers and the Human Brain work in totally different ways. Think about it, the mind can store vastly more information but its stored differently. Where it is also accessed differently. Whereas a computer has everything 'flawless' in a sense, it won't 'forget' things unless its told to. For any nerds out there (which I'm sure theres a lot of us here) its like trying to make a Fat32 drive compatible with an NTFS, or even a Pal drive. Its just the difference in how it works.

Another example: think of how long it takes for a normal windows search to find something out of the whole index of everything, now think of how long it takes to remember something from your childhood. No matter how old it can be accessed in about a second.

Im not sayin its fool proof! it was just a theory tht wud need to be researched refined etc etc.

Anyone ever read "Flowers For Algernon" ???

Great book, but that'll show you why this couldn't happen.

um......yeeeaaaa????? could you elaborate....am not readin the chuffin thing

So Ken_Allen what did the book say???