Elite coverup. Atlantis found long time ago, page 2

If your going to have a closed mind, then dont bother reading or replying in this thread. I mean, if you have an idea... open a thread and post it and then support it. If you have information, then add it, but if all of you is kkk and lizards then I think that goes in another forum. Havnt really gotten a handle on this place yet so I may be wrong.

Scientists discovered that the land masses were once joined. The theory for separation is Plate techtonics. If you need proof of that, then I cant help you with 'How?" You will just have to play catch up

The reason that this can never be admitted is because those in charge will lose control and power. Why will they lose power? Becuase this lines up with the bible, and if the bible is proven true, then what? Think about it. Pretend it happens today at noon on CNN. Everything just starts falling into place and the bible is proven true. Every nation on earth falls into line with the christian religion...even Israel.
Every other one would be outlawed. People would have to be responsible to the 10 commandments. The system as we know it would be over.

alright...back to this world

Scientists know that the continents are drifting faster then you are told. The recent earthquakes are making it harder to hide.
The earth shifted slightly from the huge quake in the Indian ocean. Now picture a world wide quake.

Job 12:15 Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth.

Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Makes it empty in the flood, then after the flood he turns it upside down and scatters man. Pole shift. Why?

Lets look at another verse and ask, which way was north after the flood?

Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

They were heading west. Look where arrarat is in Turkey and tell me which way west is, and which way Mosoul is. Mosoul is south. So is the bible wrong? Or is it saying there was a pole shift at the Tower of Babel event when mankind was scattered and then the earth was divided by water?

If you pivot the globe so NA goes north and Russia goes south, you will have the previous setting of the globe. So what caused globe to move like that? Look at a topo map of the atlantic floor. Look at the mid-atlantic ridge. Now look at the continental shelf of the americas and Euro-Africa. If you slide the shelf to the ridge, you will have a tiny atlantic ocean that is only as wide as the ridge. This small 'ocean' was actually the place where the land mass split apart. The fountains of the deep burst open here and the missing 'earth' material is scattered over the continents. That is why the continents have more sediment then the oceans. The reverse should be the case after billions of years ehh? Its not.

Ok... So lets say that the key to get all this to happen is a near miss in space. Doesnt matter to me what was used to cause it because I believe the bible. So we have NA and EU joined and the earth is rotated so NA is at the pole. This is our ice age. This is when the ice "came down" to the great lakes.
THIS IS ALSO when the mammoth elephants were grazing in warm climates.
ok, now the comet enters the solar system and does a near miss.
Job says the waters went away, and then overturned the earth. Chinese legend says that one time the sun stayed for 10 days and the forests caught on fire , but then a huge wave came and over ran all the low valleys. American indian legend says that they had a really cold winter and the people stayed in caves. The sun went away. Then they saw the tops of the mountains in the west and the sun was shining off the peaks...but it wasnt mountains, it was the ocean touching the sky.
Mayans say there was a time when the sun didnt come up for days. Then it looked like it would come up in the west, then north, south, east, west.....
Egyptian legends say that in the beginning (which could mean the time of babel) there was the chaos. The chaos was called Nu (the chaos of noah?). Then came the sun(god) and moon(god).

Ok so the gravitational pull starts NA drifting away and the same with Eurasia. Now when the greater weight of the land masses get far enough apart to unbalance the earths rotation, we have a tip.
Scientists have evidence of some kind of shift
The bible does too.
The sungod religon is the same even down to most details, all around the world. The Phoenecians, it appears, once made it to SA in their boats that do not appear worthy enough to do that with great success.

So pre-flood or post flood, it could fit. It could be a mix of the two.

We are told, without any proof, that mankind could not survive such events.
That sounds like a mind that is made up before hand.
What would you see during that time?
What kind of events?
Look at these

Job 14:11 As the waters fail from the sea, And the river wasteth and drieth up;

Job 14:18 "But the mountain falls and crumbles away, and the rock is removed from its place;
Job 14:19 the waters wear away the stones; the torrents wash away the soil of the earth; so you destroy the hope of man.

That isnt just 'every day erosion'. That is watching something massive happening. "destroy the hope of man". Its one thing to be in rough times, its another to have no hope

Job 9:5 he who removes mountains, and they know it not, when he overturns them in his anger,
Job 9:6 who shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble;

Watching mountains over turn. Job may have been watching the formation of the rift valley that stretches from Turkey to South Africa.

Job 12:24 He taketh away understanding from the chiefs of the people of the earth, And causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way.
Job 12:25 They grope in the dark without light; And he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man.

Now it was at babel that the bible says the languages were made and man was scattered (the days of Peleg which means earthquake). Job was alive at THAT time and saw all

Looking for a time when most of Europe was under snow, and snow fed rivers that no longer exist in the mideast?
Job 24:19 Drought and heat snatch away the snow waters; so does Sheol those who have sinned.

People were use to that snow. They made plans around it. They counted on its water!
Job 6:15 My brothers are treacherous as a torrent-bed, as torrential streams that pass away,
Job 6:16 which are dark with ice, and where the snow hides itself.
Job 6:17 When they melt, they disappear; when it is hot, they vanish from their place.
Job 6:18 The caravans turn aside from their course; they go up into the waste and perish.

Caravans perished because it went away. Why would they perish? Because it was the same mideast we know today but with snow, and greener?

Job 38:30 The waters hide themselves and become like stone, And the face of the deep is frozen.
The deep is the Mediteranian. Frozen over.

Job 9:30 If I wash myself with snow water, And make my hands never so clean;

The world was very different.

So why do I think it was something in space that caused the split and all the changes?

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Fragments

Ok, so Ice is the norm in Europe and the Med is frozen over. Then comes the comet and all the catastrophy.

Job 28:10 He cutteth out channels among the rocks; And his eye seeth every precious thing.
Rift valley?

Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread; And underneath it is turned up as it were by fire.
Same valley

Job 41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: He maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
The Med is now boiling and thick with mud like ointment.
Non-thinkers like to say we couldnt survive this stuff, but this guy saw it and wrote about it.
If you can survive being a single cell germ and grow into your advanced apeman form...then you can survive this.

It is during this time that people took to living in caves.

Job 30:4 Who cut up mallows by the bushes, and juniper roots for their meat.
Job 30:5 They were driven forth from among men, (they cried after them as after a thief

Job 30:6 To dwell in the clifts of the valleys, in caves of the earth, and in the rocks.
Job 30:7 Among the bushes they brayed; under the nettles they were gathered together.
Job 30:8 They were children of fools, yea, children of base men: they were viler than the earth.

So, it was during the babel - peleg event that the continents separated and the sun did not shine,

Job 9:6 That shaketh the earth out of its place, And the pillars thereof tremble;
Job 9:7 That commandeth the sun, and it riseth not, And sealeth up the stars;

People not only survived it all, they eventually made a website called Abovetopsecret.com and started talking about it with open minds. Except for a few. The few refused to believe because of their pride. Pride is the very thing that caused it all

Originally posted by jake1997
If your going to have a closed mind, then dont bother reading or replying in this thread.

That works both ways. Peole who are close minded and think that atlantis has to exist are just as close minded as people who insist, without evidence, that it can't.

You have presented no evidence, of any sort, that these fantastical things even can hapen, let alone actually did.

The theory for separation is Plate techtonics. If you need proof of that, then I cant help you

You could very easily refer them to a site that explains plate tectonics. Apparently, you don't understand plate tectonics, because you have used it in a manner that is contradcitory to the theory and science around it. Here is a page to get started with it. Here is a page about Alfred Wegener, who figured it out. His ideas, however, were reasonably rejected, because he had no explanatory mechanism for it. Notice, even tho his theory was 'good', it was rejected on scientific grounds. And he at least presented evidence to support it. You have not presented any evidence. Wegener's theory wasn't really accepted until there was more solid evidence for it and its driving mechanisms, back in the '70s.

Why will they lose power? Becuase this lines up with the bible, and if the bible is proven true, then what? Think about it.

Ok.....Ok that doesn't make sense. How does the existence of atlantis prove tthat the bible is 'true'? What do you even mean by 'the bible is true', that christ is saviour, that baptism is required, that isreal is the promised land or that either one of the two creation stories are literally true??

sts know that the continents are drifting faster then you are told. The recent earthquakes are making it harder to hide.

Stop repeating yourself and present something to back these statements up.

The earth shifted slightly from the huge quake in the Indian ocean.

The land moves everytime there is an earthquake, thats what an earthquake is. It doesn't have anything to do with the general speed of the plates. Again, refer to the above link on plate tectonics.

Now picture a world wide quake.

That doesn't make any sense.

Makes it empty in the flood, then after the flood he turns it upside down and scatters man. Pole shift. Why?

Er, thats not a pole shift. A pole shift is where the magnetic properties of the poles reverse, it doesn't mean that the whole world gets turned upside down. And, again, there is no global flood, so whats that got to do with it? YOu are interpretintg the bible, you are inserting a 'pole shift'.

. So is the bible wrong? Or is it saying there was a pole shift at the Tower of Babel event when mankind was scattered and then the earth was divided by water?

If those are the two options, then the bible is wrong. More probably, you are wrong.

If you pivot the globe so NA goes north and Russia goes south, you will have the previous setting of the globe.

You can't just start throwing the crust of the earth willy nilly to get any arrangement that you'd prefer to have.

So what caused globe to move like that?p

Quite simply, it didn't move like that.

The fountains of the deep burst open here and the missing 'earth' material is scattered over the continents.

Thats rather absurd. Do you have any evidence to back it up??

That is why the continents have more sediment then the oceans. The reverse should be the case after billions of years ehh? Its not.

Why should that be true?? The oceans have shifted greatly over time, the vast majority of the sediments on the contintents are infact ocean sediments.

Ok... So lets say that the key to get all this to happen is a near miss in space. Doesnt matter to me what was used to cause it because I believe the bible.

Ok, so your entire position is simply a matter of faith. You beleive in the bible, and anything that supports it must be true, ipso facto, as they say.

Thats pretty meaningless.

Ok so the gravitational pull starts NA drifting away and the same with Eurasia.

You are suggesting that a 'near miss' from a super dense object literally pulled the crust of the eart and warped it around, in all sorts of directions, and yet the seasons weren't affected, that by having NA move to the 'pole' it started snowing and iceing over, for no particular reason, fast enough to 'snap freeze' things like mammoth in the middle of their meals? And that there weren't any earthquakes or any intertial effects on the humans living at the time??? This doesn't make sense. Then again, that shouldn't be a surpirse, since, literally, you are not trying to make sense, you are trying come up with fantastic events that make the bible literally true.

Scientists have evidence of some kind of shift

No, they do not

The bible does too.

The fact that you think that the bible has 'evidence' of anything re-iterates the fundamental problem here. THE bible is a holy text, its beleived without evidence and is not evidence of anything in and of itself.

The sungod religon is the same even down to most details, all around the world.

This is simply not true.

The Phoenecians, it appears, once made it to SA in their boats that do not appear worthy enough to do that with great success.

The Phoenecians did not sail to south america. There is no evidence for this, or at best very weak evidence for it.

So pre-flood or post flood,

Again, there was no global flood

it could fit. It could be a mix of the two.

Of course 'it' could fit. Anything can fit. You have stated that the bible is true, and anything that can be interpreted as supporting it is good enough, no matter how contradictory, and no matter how unsupported, or even refuted, by the actual evidence that it is.

We are told, without any proof, that mankind could not survive such events.

Do you really need 'proof' to demonstrated that man' can't survive having entire continents explode apart underneath them and get mish mashed all across the globe by supergravitational forces????

That sounds like a mind that is made up before hand.

That is your modus operandi here.

Look at these

These are things from the bible. They are useless for the discussion. There is no evidence for these things occuring. You are simply reading them as being supportive of, well, the bible.

Job 14:18 "But the mountain falls and crumbles away, and the rock is removed from its place;
Job 14:19 the waters wear away the stones; the torrents wash away the soil of the earth; so you destroy the hope of man.

And yet people get along just fine. Mountains are blasted away, continents literally explode, then crust of the earth detaches from the planet and starts spinning in all sorts of direction, but man just sits back on his porch, sipping lemonade and commenting on it???

That isnt just 'every day erosion'. That is watching something massive happening.

Its a bible story. As such, its not evidence, and can be interpreted any number of ways and support any position, since they are faith based positions.

Watching mountains over turn. Job may have been watching the formation of the rift valley that stretches from Turkey to South Africa.

That'd be some trick, watching somethin that big occur, and not having any ill effects neither. Fact is, the evidence for the rifting of africa supports it as having begon long before man existed and did not occur suddenly, or even observably. Infact, its going on right now at more or less the same rate.

Now it was at babel that the bible says the languages were made and man was scattered

This doesn't make sense either. How is it that there are inter-related linguistic families if they were all just 'made up' at babel???

Caravans perished because it went away. Why would they perish? Because it was the same mideast we know today but with snow, and greener?

Thats the most likely reason for caravans being destroyed??? Seems the least likely.

The deep is the Mediteranian.

Says who?

Frozen over.

There is no evidencethat the med ever froze solid. It almost certainly cannot.

Job 28:10 He cutteth out channels among the rocks; And his eye seeth every precious thing.
Rift valley?

River channels? Small earthquakes? Gorges? Anything?
You can make it anything. Could mean rifts, could mean anything.

The Med is now boiling and thick with mud like ointment.

The med was frozen solid, then melts and boils, but this doesn't affact people? Preposterous.

Non-thinkers like to say we couldnt survive this stuff, but this guy saw it and wrote about it.

He didn't see any of this, and he didn't write any of this. How can you refer to people who understand that a person can't survive a heat influx thats enough to boil the med as 'non-thinkers'???

If you can survive being a single cell germ and grow into your advanced apeman form...then you can survive this.

Do you even know what evolution is? Why in the world would evolution be something people can't survive?

So, it was during the babel - peleg event that the continents separated and the sun did not shine,

What? How does that happen?

That shaketh the earth out of its place, And the pillars thereof tremble;
Job 9:7 That commandeth the sun, and it riseth not, And sealeth up the stars;

The earth revolves around the sun, earth doesn't have a 'place' it can be shaken from, it doesn't have pillars, and you can't tell the sun not to rise because, the sun does not rise, it stays in the same place, and you can't seal up the stars, because 'the stars' aren't just some little things that are 'out there' all in the same place. Most of the universe is 'the stars', not earth. Earth being sealed up would make more sense (but still be non-sense).

for a few. The few refused to believe because of their pride.

You have still not presented any evidence nor addressed the issues. YOu are most certianly not discussing this thing objectively, you are, literally, being entirely subjective and insisting that the bible is right, and that these things had to happen in order for it to be right. What in fact you are doing is interpreting the bible in your own way, and making up stories to explain things.