First off, I didn't bother reading that whole website.
I've been keeping up with it for a couple years now more or less. The quotes from my first post were
from this page by Dr.
'Fuz' Rana (did you want to argue any of the points raised by this psuedoscientist about the protein structures found in the cell)? Yes these
guys are creationists (old earth - local flood proponents) yes i am a creationist. He (Rana) didn't say chapter so-in-so verse so-and-so GOD say the
cell is like this...
and it was good. We can debate the various papers on Reasons.org if you'd like. But that would require you to read them
and fit that into the topic and hand... or start a "reasons is full of it" thread so that those interested can debate the issues on a case by case
basis.
They're not true scientist's in my eye's.
The problem is that you didn't use your eyes.
You didn't even have to read all of page
1 of this thread to find this link:
RTB Scholar
Team. I realize you don't like to read so i'll give you a quickie cut and paste from the link, k? 'Reasons' examines a variety of topics
and has
credential scholars in several disciplines... but these are the scientists.
Hugh Ross
Dr. Ross earned a B.Sc. in physics from the University of British Columbia and an M.Sc. and Ph.D. in astronomy from the University of Toronto. For
several years he continued his research on quasars and galaxies as a post-doctoral fellow at the California Institute of Technology.
Dr. Fazale Rana
Dr. Rana attended West Virginia State College, then Ohio University, where he earned a Ph.D. in Chemistry. His post-doctoral work was conducted at the
Universities of Virginia and Georgia. He was a Presidential Scholar, was elected into two honors societies, and won the Donald Clippinger Research
Award twice at Ohio University. Dr. Rana worked for seven years on product development for Procter & Gamble before joining Reasons To Believe.
Dr. Rana has published over 15 articles in peer-reviewed scientific journals and delivered over 20 presentations at international scientific meetings.
Dr. Rana co-authored a chapter on anti-microbial peptides for
Biological and Synthetic Membranes.
Dr. David H. Rogstad
Dr. David Rogstad, Executive Vice President for Reasons To Believe, earned a Ph.D. in Physics from Caltech in Pasadena, California doing research in
radio astronomy. He worked at Caltech and Caltech’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) for a combined 31 years before retiring to come to work at
Reasons To Believe full-time. He continues to maintain a role at JPL as a technical consultant.
Dr. Rogstad was a senior member of the technical staff at JPL. Among the various projects he was involved in, Dr. Rogstad led a team to develop
supercomputers that were used by the Department of Defense to simulate “Star Wars” scenarios. He also supervised a team to develop components
credited with saving the Galileo Mission to Jupiter. He is the chief editor of the book, Antenna Arraying Techniques in the Deep Space Network, on the
technological aspects of antenna arraying.
Dr. Jeffrey Zweerink
Jeff Zweerink comes to Reasons To Believe from University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) where he served on the physics and astronomy research
faculty. His specialty is high energy gamma-ray astrophysics. Although science has been a major interest for most of his life, Jeff’s fascination
with gamma rays—messengers from vastly distant black holes and neutron stars—began during his graduate studies at Iowa State University, where he
earned his Ph.D. (1997).
Prior to joining Reasons To Believe, Jeff spent much time working on the STACEE and VERITAS gamma-ray telescopes. In addition, he was involved in
research projects including the Solar Two Project and the Whipple Collaboration. Jeff has co-authored more than 30 refereed publications and numerous
conference proceedings.
Looks like a bunch of quacks to me too. Or maybe... just maybe you could accept that their opinions are qualified and you'll just have to debate the
veracity of their arguments instead.
My reasoning is these so called scientist's are trying to justify the existence of god by trying to find fault's in current scientific
theories.
I won't comment on that as you've said you haven't read any of their material... so therefore i have no idea what your point is. Creationism is
much more than finding faults in current theories though. As a matter of fact 'Reasons' spends a great deal of their time debating and debunking
young earth creationism... they are scientific in their approach. Yes they use the Bible, yes they are creationists. If that's an issue or enough
information for you to dismiss their claims, then so be it. Obviously nothing i could say would change your mind i'm sure.
This is wrong, oh and that's wrong to, this is how we think it really is because it fit's with our view of god.
I do find this as a strange thing for a so called scientific look at ID/Creationism...
Umm, what? I'm sorry, one more time for the people in the cheaps seats please. That has got to be one of the most vague circular arguments i've
heard in a while... might even be bigotry, but it's just oblique enough for me to be unsure.
#7 * A study of gypsy moth parasites demonstrates that the creation of a diverse array of specialized parasites indeed is consistent
with an all-powerful, all-wise, and all-loving Creator.
So, simply because gypsy moth's have parasite's that are specialized to the gypsy moth, that in itself is scientific validation for proof of god?
Can sumone please explain that furthur to me? Does anyone see the lack of common sense there?
See that little #7(
Click here for list of "#'s")
in the quote, it's a link to a real player audio file. Perhaps if you'd like to know more you'd listen and find out what they mean. I don't know
maybe that's just me. Did you want me to transcribe the audio and post it for you - to
not read - before you comment further. FYI, i
won't. But it's an interesting topic if you like to give it a listen. I do see "the lack of common sense" you were talking about now though.
# 5
* New insights into the physics of the Moon’s origin establish more evidence for Earth’s supernatural design so that it can support life.
So, because we came to exist on a planet with a moon and evolved/adapted to the physic's of such a planetary relationship that in itself is furthur
scientific validation for proof of god?
These people are just simply amazing .... *ly stupid.
Again 'ol
#5 is a link. Alot of info in that one sentence for sure, and maybe that's how you arrived at your "*ly stupid" position.
Anthropic principals are an interesting topic "design in cosmology" if you will... if i wanted to know more i wonder where i'd go though..
I'll leave the rest alone, it's more-or-less the same thing... ranting. Pick something, actually read the position you're arguing against and then
state your case. I'm down for learning something new, i just wouldn't rip apart an argument i haven't read... how do you pull it off?
I don't claim to know it all, I don't claim to have all your answer's. But if religous people are gunna claim to have it, please... put sum
damn thought behind it. If god really did create us, he gave us a brain for a reason.
You are so far removed from reality at this point i'm not sure what to say. Creationists don't have or claim to have all the answers, you present
these strawmen and circular ramblings and rants that vaguely look like an argument or a point, but not close enough to be interesting as either... and
blast those who disagree with you.
To quote a wise scholar and forum philosopher; "please... put sum damn thought behind it". Indeed you have a brain for a reason. We're all
looking for the same answers and everyone has an opinion. Don't act like you're some objective seeker of truth, you have
proven without any
doubt that you are not. Don't think me narrow-minded, stupid or naive because i believe in GOD and don't accept your cosmic-accident as my
creator... i'll show you that same respect okay? We can argue our ideologies or world-views based on their merit not our 'feelings'... so long as
we're talking science and not philosophy that is.
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What i miss? Guess i was just talking to myself there. Oh well.
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That's what the site is trying to make a conection with.
