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reply posted on 20-5-2005 @ 08:40 AM by Taishyou
Oh yes, Israel did smuggle F-14 spare parts to Iran. The US first sold Iran some F-14s during the Iran-Iraq war, but then Iran turned against the US after a revolution took place in the country, and the US refused to supply needed spare parts for their F-14s. It was Israel that smuggled the parts for Iran for some $$$. Of course, Israel denies it, but SOMEBODY must've supplied Iran with F-14 parts before they reverse engineered the parts themselves otherwise their F-14s would've fallen apart.

www.iiaf.net...
The number of Tomcats in service with Iran is reported as many as 60 aircrafts. Some of these parts also seem to have been smuggled into Iran by Israel


home.att.net...
In spite of the Western arms embargo, Iran seems to have been able to maintain a more-or-less steady supply of spare parts for its fleet of Tomcats, Phantoms, and F-5Es. Some of these parts seem to have been smuggled into Iran by collusion with Israel



reply posted on 22-5-2005 @ 01:34 AM by Stealth Spy
^^ Agreed, but i thought israel and iran were enemies .Why would israel want to do stuff for iran

and coming back to israeli china tech deals, check this out.


The PL-8 infrared homing short-range air-to-air missile is a Chinese licensed production version of the Israeli Python-3.

China and Israel agreed on the deal of Python-3 technology and its licensed production in 1982, and the transfer began in September 1983.


The J-10 carrying the missile


source



PL-9
Apart from its control surfaces the PL-9 is almost identical to the Israeli Python-3, which was developed from the AIM-9L. The one major difference, according to information in Jane's All the World's Aircraft, is that the PL-9 has only about one-third the range of the Python 3.

China has improved upon the PL-9 by marrying it to an apparent copy of the Arsenel helmet sight from the R-73.

source : www.sinodefence.com...


PL-9D (DK-9)
The missile was a derived from the PL-9 short-range infrared-homing air-to-air missile (AAM), which was reported to be a Chinese copy of the Israeli Python-3.

The production of the PL-9D/DK-9 began in 1991, with a limited number in current service of the PLA and Pakistani Army.


The USA should be weary of Italy too :
PL-11 Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile

The PLA began to approach the Italian Alenia Aspide missile technology in the late 1980s when China and Western countries started limited co-operations in the military fields against the threat of the Soviet Union. The Aspide missile was derived from the U.S. AIM-7E Sparrow missile with air-to-air, ship-to-air, and ground-to-air variants for air, naval, and ground service respectively.

Italy concluded a deal with China in the late 1980s that involves provision of the air-launched Aspide to the PLAAF. China received several small batches of missiles and relevant technology, which was initially used to improve the domestic HQ-61 surface-to-air missile.

In the early 1990s the 2nd Shanghai Bureau started a new medium-range AAM programme based on the HQ-61C surface-to-air missile, which has been improved with the Aspide technology. It was designated PL-11

source : www.sinodefence.com...



The US should not sell stuff to Pakistan as well :


The PL-4 is a Chinese copy of the U.S. AIM-7B Sparrow.(which it recieved from pakistan)

www.sinodefence.com...


No offence intended;no propoganda; only facts have been posted






[edit on 22-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]



reply posted on 22-5-2005 @ 07:17 AM by koji_K
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
^^ Agreed, but i thought israel and iran were enemies .Why would israel want to do stuff for iran


Isreal was acting as a front for the US during Iran Contra.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

The F-4 parts specifically were sold by Israel as part of a deal in which Isreal supplied Iran in exchange for the right of Jews to emigrate.

www.washington-report.org...

-koji K.

[edit on 22-5-2005 by koji_K]

[edit on 22-5-2005 by koji_K]


reply posted on 29-5-2005 @ 06:49 AM by chinawhite
Originally posted by Stealth Spy

PL-9
Apart from its control surfaces the PL-9 is almost identical to the Israeli Python-3, which was developed from the AIM-9L. The one major difference, according to information in Jane's All the World's Aircraft, is that the PL-9 has only about one-third the range of the Python 3.

China has improved upon the PL-9 by marrying it to an apparent copy of the Arsenel helmet sight from the R-73.

source :
www.sinodefence.com...


PL-9D (DK-9)
The missile was a derived from the PL-9 short-range infrared-homing air-to-air missile (AAM), which was reported to be a Chinese copy of the Israeli Python-3.

No offence intended;no propoganda; only facts have been posted

[edit on 22-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]


Stealthspy.

as the article mentions it makes no mention of the chinese copying the PL-9 from other sources.

and i changed one of the post you made by moving one of the BOLD things to where it should have been


reply posted on 29-5-2005 @ 09:51 AM by Stealth Spy
Originally posted by chinawhite
as the article mentions it makes no mention of the chinese copying the PL-9 from other sources.


Read this :
www.sinodefence.com...


....The PL-9D (also known as DK-9) is a mobile, low-altitude, surface-to-air missile system providing air defence to ground troops. The missile was a derived from the PL-9 short-range infrared-homing air-to-air missile (AAM), which was reported to be a Chinese copy of the Israeli Python-3....The production of the PL-9D/DK-9 began in 1991, with a limited number in current service of the PLA and Pakistani Army


now what do you say ?? here is your chinese source and the facts


and i changed one of the post you made by moving one of the BOLD things to where it should have been


What are you talking about ?? Can you edit my posts or what ??

[edit on 29-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]


reply posted on 29-5-2005 @ 12:01 PM by Stealth Spy
“The Israelis wouldn’t be where they are today if they didn’t have the Americans behind them,” said Bjorn Hagelin, an arms sales researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

source


Six years ago, U.S. government reports accused Israel of illegally transferring U.S. technology from the largely U.S.-funded Lavi fighter plane program to China. China's new F-10 fighter jet is said to be nearly identical to the Lavi.

Analysts said that in addition to reaping profits and lowering defense production costs, Israel believes arms sales to China raises its influence with Beijing and gains it vital intelligence about its enemies, with whom China does business.



[size=5]"Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons system provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated military technology" according to a recent report by the U.S.-China Security Review Commission, a panel established by Congress to examine security and economic relations between the two countries. [/size]

"Recent upgrades in target acquisition and fire control, probably provided by Israeli weapons specialists, have enhanced the capabilities of the older guided missile destroyers and frigates" in the Chinese navy's inventory, it said.

The commission, cited Israel as a supplier to Beijing of radar systems, optical and telecommunications equipment, drones and flight simulators.

"Israel has established itself as an important exporter of high-technology niche weapons containing more sophisticated technology than what is provided by Russia," it said.



More...



reply posted on 29-5-2005 @ 12:05 PM by Stealth Spy
Israel, China Celebrate 10 Years of Ties

Israel-China Business Cooperation Conference
....China is the major target of Israeli business in next decades. Israel has wide variety of interests in the Chinese market. Its key interests are high-tech, biotech, homeland security, telecommunication, information technology, environmental protection, agriculture and infrastructure. He hopes to expand cooperation with China in these fields. Israel hopes to make "a little contribution" to China's preparation .....
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