US again vetoes Gaza cease-fire resolution at UN Security Council

a reply to: FlyersFan

No matter how many times you repeat that hogwash, it's still not true.

Historians will be the judge of that not you or I but killing over 30,000 civilians is Genocide in my book , no matter how many times you say it isn't.

The current U.S. Administration gains in ways we can't imagine. It's NOT what the average person thinks it is. 😃

originally posted by: gortex
killing over 30,000 civilians is Genocide in my book , no matter how many times you say it isn't.

Hamas saying that 30,000 civilians have been killed is absurd no matter how many times you say it isn't.

Again ... Hamas lies. They inflate numbers. They have no idea how many people are really dead in the rubble. They do not differentiate between a dead child and a dead terrorist, they are all counted as 'dead palestinians' to them. And none of them would be dead if it weren't for Hamas and the 'palestinians' attacking Israel and calling for the genocide of the Jews and the destruction of Israel.

A few thousand dead 'palestinians' ... dead because of Hamas ... out of 2.5 million people is not genocide. I gave you a link to what genocide is. The childs book out of Gaza. THAT is what genocide looks like. You ignored it.

Reminder ...
Civilians die in war.

2,000,000 Civilians Dead in Vietnam War

650,000 Civilians Dead in Korean War

315,000 Civilians Dead in Iraq War

432,000 Civilians Dead in 'Hot Spots' Around the World

2,000,000 Civilians Dead in Iran and Iraq War

60,000,000 Civilians Died in World War II

20,000,000 Million Civilians Died in World War I

So childrens books are a correct method of judging a people?

Cause there’s some pretty Fu@led up childrens books been published and put in school libraries the last 4 years.

Some are even read aloud by deviants and listened to by children who are mandated to be present.

🤷🏽‍♂️

a reply to: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Dalamax
So childrens books are a correct method of judging a people?

He is falsely using the term 'genocide'. I gave the poll that has a 4% margin of error and gave an example of what real genocide looks like.

And yeah, there have been some very screwed up books put in school libraries by some very screwed up people. And yeah, go ahead and judge how screwed up those people are for putting that kind of filth and indoctrination in school libraries. Fine by me.

a reply to: FlyersFan


Objectively not true.
How is a book in anyway a justifiable reason to drop countless bombs on women and children?

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
Objectively not true.

Yes it is true.

How is a book in anyway a justifiable reason to drop countless bombs on women and children?

The term genocide was misused. I showed an example of what real genocide looks like. The 'palestinians' and Hamas openly call for it, try to make it happen, and promise not to stop until the Jews are genocided and Israel is destroyed. Their lives are permeated with it. The book and childrens shows are an example ... .just a few of many. You didn't even bother to look at the book and the screen shots from the childrens shows, did you?

Oh ... and your 'drop bombs on women and children' is disingenuous. Israel is bombing Hamas in self defense and is not targeting civilians. Any civilians who die are the fault of Hamas and the 'palestinians' who caused this war and who hold 140 hostages and refuse to release them.

a reply to: FlyersFan


Wow that's a lot to break down....

You clearly are not someone I wish to engage with.
I wish you the best of luck and would suggest engaging in more empathy.

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
.. and would suggest engaging in more empathy.

Where is your empathy for the Jews who the 'palestinians' and Hamas say they want genocided and Israel destroyed? I would suggest engaging in more REALITY. Every dead person in Gaza is the fault of Hamas. None of this would be happening if they hadn't attacked Israel. It could be all over if they'd release the 140 hostages. It's Hamas' fault and the fault of the 'palestinians' who support them. No one elses fault.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Dandandat3

I may not agree with their massive bombing campaign. But Israel should be free to deal with Hamas as they see fit.

Without our taxpayers money.

But if I was Israel, I wouldn't give a rat's ass what the UN thinks.

yea, just as BIBI said they don't care about what the US thinks either! It's about this new Israel created, stealing the land after ww2 and taking more and more land, seeing those people who live(d) there as nothing worth!, Zionism! This dream creating this new good Israel with the people of GOD! lol.
This Israel has nothing to do with the people of god anymore lol. This is an abomination creating desolation. Nothing more!

But here Bibi caught on camera in secret a long time ago in 2001! He doesn't care about what the US thinks, they are easy to control and even when they don't follow Israel wishes he doesn't care.
He also wrote a book called ''terrorism'' (he's like the godfather of terrorism!)
This book he wrote in 1987! www.amazon.com...

He created basically terrorism with his fight against terrorist!!!, after 9-11 the US followed Israel wishes and started a war against the enemy's of this new Israel, costing trillions of dollars!!! and tens of millions of refugees for Europe as a reward! And after you and an explosion of terrorists coming , like ISIS!! Good Israel
So with all Israel did to those people in Palestine after WW2 Israel just created 7 October as well and only as always say; we are only defending ourselves! And doing things way way worse then 7 October after them self like 100 times worse!

Netanyahu ; A large scaled invasion on the Palestinian territory to get them to the point where they are afraid.. that everything is about to collapse. A fear that everything will collapse. That is what we need to achieve.
Interviewer: aren't you afraid that the world will call us occupiers? Netanyahu: The world won't say a thing. The world will say we are defending ourselves.
Interviewer: Aren't you afraid of the world, Bibi?- No.
Especially today with the US. I know how they are. America is very easy t o influence. They won't get in our way.
Interviewer; what if America does say something after all?
Bibi: So then they say something, so what?

a reply to: Dandandat3

War , what is it Good for ?

originally posted by: Dandandat3
Genocide Joe has once again directed his ambassadors to once again vetoe a UN Security Council vote on a Gaza cease-fire resolution.

Is this the correct position for the Biden Administration to take on the Israeli-Gaza war? Many people are being hurt in that conflict and a cease-fire is desperately needed.

I'm 100% not infavor of Biden, but the UN is full of crap and is very anti-Israel. There are a good number of events that are much worse than Gaza going on and nothing from them. They let bias rule much of what they do, so I say F them.

a reply to: watchitburn

Right on. I strongly disagree with how Israel is treating Gaza. They call hamas terrorists rightfully so, but israel also performs acts of terrorism on the palestinian people.

If they want to continue this way; take away all funding from Israel. U.S. needs to stop supporting endless wars.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You're out of touch man. Look at the actions Israel has taken in the past. Killing palestinian journalists, doctors, children. Shooting unarmed protesters. Taking away homes. Snipers shooting people in the crotch to permanately disable them. Plenty of videos showing Jews in Israel calling for the irradication of Palestine.

Hamas' actions were wrong; but they wern't a random act of violence. It was in retiliation for past events. Hamas did trigger Israel to act - but Israel reacted without care for any palestinian lives. AT LEAST 29,000 palestinians killed..

And there would be even more deaths if Israel wasn't holding back because they are afraid of losing funding.

You say "none of this would be happening if they wouldn't have attacked israel". But israel already started it years ago. And the attacks don't justify killing mass amounts of women, children and men.

And what will all this accomplish? Palestinains won't forgive this if Israel doesn't stop now and make peace. Giving freedom to their people. If Israel just goes back to the ways things were, another Hamas attack will happen again. Even if they somehow killed every last hamas person (which isnt going to happen).

None of this is a anti-terrorism operation. This is a brutal retiliation against the Palestinian people. And Israel is showing no signs that they care or want peace.

If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend Israel's current and past actions are justified, go ahead. But the rest of the world is waking up to what's really going on and no longer believing the Israel lobbying propaganda.

originally posted by: SilentSaturn1
a reply to: FlyersFan

You're out of touch man. Look at the actions Israel has taken in the past. Killing palestinian journalists, doctors, children. Shooting unarmed protesters. Taking away homes. Snipers shooting people in the crotch to permanately disable them. Plenty of videos showing Jews in Israel calling for the irradication of Palestine.

Hamas' actions were wrong; but they wern't a random act of violence. It was in retiliation for past events. Hamas did trigger Israel to act - but Israel reacted without care for any palestinian lives. AT LEAST 29,000 palestinians killed..

And there would be even more deaths if Israel wasn't holding back because they are afraid of losing funding.

You say "none of this would be happening if they wouldn't have attacked israel". But israel already started it years ago. And the attacks don't justify killing mass amounts of women, children and men.

And what will all this accomplish? Palestinains won't forgive this if Israel doesn't stop now and make peace. Giving freedom to their people. If Israel just goes back to the ways things were, another Hamas attack will happen again. Even if they somehow killed every last hamas person (which isnt going to happen).

None of this is a anti-terrorism operation. This is a brutal retiliation against the Palestinian people. And Israel is showing no signs that they care or want peace.

If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend Israel's current and past actions are justified, go ahead. But the rest of the world is waking up to what's really going on and no longer believing the Israel lobbying propaganda.

Its so nice to know the KGB/PLO scam of creating the "palestinian" people is going so well.

a reply to: yuppa

Not sure exactly what you mean by that. But the people in Palestine are dying in mass and one cannot just ignore that because of Hamas' attack on Israel. Not to mention, ignoring Israeli's actions to the people in Palestine before all this which incited the hamas attack.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

originally posted by: glen200376
Terrorists don't do cease fires.
Why should Israel lay down their weapons when the terrorists won't?
Naivety at its finest.

So how many of those 29,000+ dead do you think were terrorists?

29,000 minus all the Israelis killed.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

originally posted by: glen200376
Terrorists don't do cease fires.
Why should Israel lay down their weapons when the terrorists won't?
Naivety at its finest.

So how many of those 29,000+ dead do you think were terrorists?

29,000 minus all the Israelis killed.

the"palestinians" are all descendents of thieves,killers,and traitors so its in their blood.

Austrian economist Schumpeter wrote: “The orientation toward war is mainly fostered by the domestic interests of ruling classes but also by the influence of all those who stand to gain individually from a war policy, whether economically or socially.” These ruling classes have been defined as “elites [that] are at all times involved in trying to manipulate other elements of the population, or the public mood itself, so as to perpetuate themselves in power.”​—Why War? by Professors Nelson and Olin.

Every nation has its ruling class, even though that group may be divided into different political factions. However, many observe that the power of the military elite in every nation should not be underestimated. Former U.S. Ambassador John K. Galbraith describes the military establishment as “by far the most powerful of the autonomous processes of government.” He continues: “The power of the military embraces not only the significant sources of power but . . . all the instruments of its enforcement. . . . More than any other exercise of power in our time it is the subject of grave public unease.”

Galbraith illustrates his point by reference to the United States military institution, which has property resources that “far exceed any similar source of power; they embrace not only what is available to the armed services and the civilian military establishment but what flows out to the weapons industries.” A like situation no doubt exists in Russia, China and many other countries.

As Irenäus Eibl-Eibesfeldt wrote: “Public opinion is formed by interest groups (politicians, arms manufacturers, the military) that deceive the electorate by giving them false or one-sided information.” In a similar vein, historian H. E. Barnes wrote: “Since the wars of the French Revolution . . . copious and compelling propaganda [has] been continued and greatly increased to protect warfare against popular dissent, opposition, and factual analysis of issues.”

As a consequence, “practically anybody can be persuaded and manipulated in such a way that he will more or less voluntarily enter a situation wherein he must kill and perhaps die.” (War, by Gwynne Dyer) Thus, by reason of their political and economic power, the “elite” can control the media in order to prepare the masses for the bloodbath.

Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels, leaders of the ruling Nazi elite, were well aware of the importance of mind control and deception of the masses. On August 24, 1939, Hitler explained to a group of high officers his plans for the invasion of Poland: “I shall give a propagandist cause for starting the war. Never mind whether it is plausible or not. . . . In starting and waging a war, it is not Right that matters but Victory.”

Thus it is clear that a motivation has to be generated to make a nation rise up against another. But what are the key elements in generating war fever?

Sometimes the people are not in favor of a war. On what basis, then, can the rulers most easily persuade the population to support their aims? This was the problem that faced the United States in Vietnam. So, what did the ruling elite do? Galbraith answers: “The Vietnam War produced in the United States one of the most comprehensive efforts in social conditioning [adjusting of public opinion] in modern times. Nothing was spared in the attempt to make the war seem necessary and acceptable to the American public.” And that points to the handiest tool for softening up a nation for war. What is it?

Professor Galbraith again supplies the answer: “Schools in all countries inculcate the principles of patriotism. . . . The conditioning that requires all to rally around the flag is of particular importance in winning subordination to military and foreign policy.” This systematic conditioning prevails in (former) communist countries as it does in Western nations. Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words (this picture was taken from a protest against Netanyahu):

Charles Yost, a veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service and State Department, expressed it thus: “The primary cause of the insecurity of nations persists, the very attribute on which nations pride themselves most​—their sovereign independence, their ‘sacred egoism,’ their insubordination to any interest broader or higher than their own.” This “sacred egoism” is summed up in divisive nationalism, in the pernicious teaching that any one nation is superior to all others.

Historian Arnold Toynbee wrote: “The spirit of nationality is a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism.” In Power and Immortality, Dr. Lopez-Reyes wrote: “Sovereignty is a major cause of contemporary war; . . . .” The emphasis on nationalism and sovereignty denies the basic concept that we all belong to the same human family, regardless of linguistic or cultural differences. And that denial leads to wars.

Yes, the experts can come up with all kinds of explanations of why man systematically sets out to destroy those of his own kind. Yet there is one primary factor that most commentators ignore.

I'm really hoping more people would stop falling for the tricks of the fella above, including his human pawns and victims mentioned by Schumpeter at the start of this comment. True followers of Christ have a different type of war to fight, a spiritual one (and you fight that one with words).

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare* [“We do not wage warfare.” Lit., “we are not doing military service.” ...; Lat., non . . . mi·li·ta'mus.] according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God;” (2 Cor 10:3-5)

Don't ask what your country can do for you, don't ask what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for God. It's quite the battle, takes a lot of courage telling people what they don't want to hear, for they will not like you for it (unlike when you are 'tickling their ears' as described at 2 Timothy 4:3,4, gaining lots of stars in the process).

originally posted by: yuppa

the"palestinians" are all descendents of thieves,killers,and traitors so its in their blood.

This is the page that precedes the article linked in my signature (about propaganda):

The Manipulation of Information (Awake!—2000)

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Making Generalizations

Another very successful tactic of propaganda is generalization. Generalizations tend to obscure important facts about the real issues in question, and they are frequently used to demean entire groups of people. “Gypsies [or immigrants] are thieves” is, for instance, a phrase frequently heard in some European countries. But is that true?

...

Going back one section.

Lies, Lies!

Certainly, the handiest trick of the propagandist is the use of outright lies. Consider, for example, the lies that Martin Luther wrote in 1543 about the Jews in Europe: “They have poisoned wells, made assassinations, kidnaped children . . . They are venomous, bitter, vindictive, tricky serpents, assassins, and children of the devil who sting and work harm.” His exhortation to so-called Christians? “Set fire to their synagogues or schools . . . Their houses [should] also be razed and destroyed.”

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Playing on the Emotions

Even though feelings might be irrelevant when it comes to factual claims or the logic of an argument, they play a crucial role in persuasion. Emotional appeals are fabricated by practiced publicists, who play on feelings as skillfully as a virtuoso plays the piano.

For example, fear is an emotion that can becloud judgment. And, as in the case of envy, fear can be played upon. ...

Hatred is a strong emotion exploited by propagandists. Loaded language is particularly effective in triggering it. There seems to be a nearly endless supply of nasty words that promote and exploit hatred toward particular racial, ethnic, or religious groups.

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The last one mentioned there is pride. It is quite unhealthy (primarily for your heart) to react to situations on the basis of pride. It was Satan the Devil who first allowed an overestimation of self to corrupt his heart. (Compare Ezekiel 28:17; Proverbs 16:5.) Pride is a divisive force in the world of which he is ruler, causing people to consider themselves better than those of other races, nations, language groups, and economic status. And remember from my previous comment:

Charles Yost, a veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service and State Department, expressed it thus: “The primary cause of the insecurity of nations persists, the very attribute on which nations pride themselves most​—their sovereign independence, their ‘sacred egoism,’ their insubordination to any interest broader or higher than their own.” This “sacred egoism” is summed up in divisive nationalism, in the pernicious teaching that any one nation is superior to all others.

... The emphasis on nationalism and sovereignty denies the basic concept that we all belong to the same human family, regardless of linguistic or cultural differences. And that denial leads to wars.

edit: Talking about insecurities (I've bolded it now as well), and going back to the article:

Propaganda encourages this by agitating the emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending rules of logic. As history bears out, such tactics can prove all too effective.