Palestinian does not equal HAMAS

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

nor do I practice magic in any form.

One might disagree. How are your Bowie sessions coming along?

None based on any religion, though!

I'm not human. No religion, no human.

Just a wild beast, justificatably expendable, souless, unchosen by God.

Lessons are great. So many chords I've never played before. One of them involves the thumb, which I've never tried to do in all my 20+ years of music practice.

get it.

thumb?

it's true

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for guitar. I don't believe I've mentioned that

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they're still here talking about it

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels

Where did I say Im not religious?

I'm saying it in general

Some reality

ATTENTION! AGAIN! If you talking about each other, your post is off-topic. Understand that personalities get involved when you get passionate about things. Your personalities and each other are never the subject. Please post on topic.

Thanks

originally posted by: argentus
ATTENTION! AGAIN! If you talking about each other, your post is off-topic. Understand that personalities get involved when you get passionate about things. Your personalities and each other are never the subject. Please post on topic.

Thanks

I would like to be clear, on my own behalf, and the elucidation of the readers, that the arguments I put forth may, or may not, reflect my own personal beliefs, and that I am trying to give a representation of every consideration from a purely logical perspective.

It is my hope that this thread conveys the appropriate standpoint on disinformation, which, I suppose, should stand up to devil's advocacy of every angle.

I hope we can finally move past which humans are worth being human, but I also suppose that is the very essence of the thread topic itself.


Have we have sufficiently shown that the thread title is true, and that saying exactly otherwise is indeed disinformation?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Your post is off-topic. If you require clarification, please PM me.

It is amazingly simple: If you are talking about each other, it is not on-topic, as the topic is NOT you or your opponent.

Edit to add: The purpose of actioning posts is to augment discussion. It isn't intended to be a punishment. Staff tries to let things go, but off-topic posts cause off-topic replies and the subsequent thread drift. If this sounds stern, I don't mean it to be. Stick to the topic, and things are good and discussion happens. That is the whole goal of the ATS machine.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Ive just been listening to this fellow since the hostilities have broken out.

He has common sense and he understands the problems in the region.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Ive just been listening to this fellow since the hostilities have broken out.

He has common sense and he understands the problems in the region.

Indeed mate he is quite grounded.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
There seems to be a significant consensus on ATS that Palestine, and the Palestinian people, and the flag representation thereof, is the terrorist organization upon which Israel has declared war.

This is absolutely wrong, and I can understand that some people would make the mistake, since it's so consuming of precious time that any average person would be able to wade through the propaganda war and find trustworthy sources that are actually informative and educational on current events.

HAMAS is the terrorist organization upon which Israel has declared war as a result of the Oct 7th attacks.

This distinction is important because there are many innocent Palestinians living abroad who are in danger of prejudicial violence for the disinformation that Palestinians are terrorists.

This distinction is important to ATS because many members here among us are justifying the "collateral damage" of the innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza for the explicitly expressed reason that Palestinians are terrorists.

Anyone who says this is spreading disinformation at an alarming rate.

Israel did not declare war on Palestine.

Israel declared war on HAMAS.

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This thread is a prime example of this particular disinformation being deployed.

The Enemy Is Already Here: A 'Palestinian' Flag Now Flies Over an American Town

Not all Palestinians are hamas, but, all hamas are from Palestinian territories - regardless of where they currently reside.

You draw a hard line between Palestinian terrorists and innocent Palestinians. But you do so based on their geographic location, not their personal ideology which you cannot possibly know. Not every man woman and child in Palestinian territories is a terrorist. When you can be sure who is and who isn't, war can be much more precise with far less collateral damage. Until then, war is messy and innocent people die. More so when one side intentionally puts military targets as close as they can to schools and hospitals using women and children as human shields. And its more than geographic location. Some of the terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Center lived in the US prior to the attacks. Were they innocent Islamists because they were not in the middle east?

The problem is no one knows who the good guys are and who the bad guys are - until their actions remove all doubt. That is why we have locks on our doors and get to know people before inviting them in. Its also why an open border is such a threat to our nation. Instead of considering the origin of the people we let into this nation, we choose to believe everyone is good until we find out the hard way they are not. The San Bernardino killers, the Boston marathon bombers, etc. All terrorists who came here playing the role of refugee knowing full well the damage they intended to inflict upon our nation once they were safely within. It is absurd to assume that practice has ended or that it doesn't happen elsewhere.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels

Ive just been listening to this fellow since the hostilities have broken out.

He has common sense and he understands the problems in the region.

You have not followed Douglas Murray? He is like one of the 10 ten people we should watch.

Here is a good start

hamas is the defacto government of the gaza strip, its unfortunate but the rules of war under the geneva conventions and such clearly states that civilian deaths that come about when trying to hit a legitimate military target is not a war crime, civilians are not protected as much as people seem to think. besides that israel and the US never signed most such agreements that bind other nations to such rules, except the original agreement so israel can loosely interpret it just like we do compared to other nations. dont forget who created the UN, or who enforces its laws, we the US do.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Thats a good long bite of two brilliant thinkers. I like Lex too.

Thank you!

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: orbhunter
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Many Palestinian's are normal people like everyone else. Outside of Gaza.

Two million plus brainwashed Hamas educated and trained Jihadi's.

I can agree 50% of what you say here.

I agree that those innocent noncombatant civilians living in (free) Palestine are living very different lives than those innocent noncombatant civilians living under HAMAS oppressive rule(they have the guns) even to this day. HAMAS must be forcing everyone they can to pick up weapons and engage the invading IDF.

I disagree that everyone in Gaza are self declared militant Jihadi terrorists. Would you, respectfully, provide a source with data to this end?

I disagree that everyone in Gaza is expendable.

I disagree that fighting to the last HAMAS is going to keep Israel safe.

I believe the fight to the last HAMAS will only do what such things have always done, gloriously inspire rivers of new terrorist cell recruits of every generation, insuring revenge violence for generations to come.

Iran is brainwashing the kids in Gaza through the kindergarten system from the age of 3 to hate Israel and Jews with a passion. Most people in Gaza are young and have gone through this programming of their brains. Therefore the vast majority inside Gaza will be Hamas supporters and their brains will be incapable of being rewired. Just like the SS post 1945. You won't change them, not when their brains got programmed at the age of 3.

a reply to: orbhunter

Yeah the teachings in the kids shows were incredibly sick and twisted - but also very funny if you completely ignore that it's brainwashing and ecouraging hatred and martydom to early years kidss (age 4 to 9). The plotlines and acting makes porn films look oscar worthy.

a reply to: bastion

Thanks for posting Bastion. Looks like the old Arabs need to up their acting a little

originally posted by: orbhunter

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: orbhunter
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Many Palestinian's are normal people like everyone else. Outside of Gaza.

Two million plus brainwashed Hamas educated and trained Jihadi's.

I can agree 50% of what you say here.

I agree that those innocent noncombatant civilians living in (free) Palestine are living very different lives than those innocent noncombatant civilians living under HAMAS oppressive rule(they have the guns) even to this day. HAMAS must be forcing everyone they can to pick up weapons and engage the invading IDF.

I disagree that everyone in Gaza are self declared militant Jihadi terrorists. Would you, respectfully, provide a source with data to this end?

I disagree that everyone in Gaza is expendable.

I disagree that fighting to the last HAMAS is going to keep Israel safe.

I believe the fight to the last HAMAS will only do what such things have always done, gloriously inspire rivers of new terrorist cell recruits of every generation, insuring revenge violence for generations to come.

Iran is brainwashing the kids in Gaza through the kindergarten system from the age of 3 to hate Israel and Jews with a passion. Most people in Gaza are young and have gone through this programming of their brains. Therefore the vast majority inside Gaza will be Hamas supporters and their brains will be incapable of being rewired. Just like the SS post 1945. You won't change them, not when their brains got programmed at the age of 3.

So, just basing off what we know about the childhood upbringing and education of a person, we can surmise that they deserve to die?

A child's education and upbringing can be used as an excuse to murder them?

Am I understanding this logic correctly?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Furthermore, are we simply going to accept a religious context when we have a class struggle resulting in similar forms of dispossession of basic knowledge in the West?

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Furthermore, are we simply going to accept a religious context when we have a class struggle resulting in similar forms of dispossession of basic knowledge in the West?

If it does not come to that, the West would certainly be hypocritical to the historical political/economic/military record of foreign support, although, I would be pleased for such a change toward compassionate considerations, if it were NOT as you described.

Do you follow? I had to reread yours a few times.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: orbhunter

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: orbhunter
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Many Palestinian's are normal people like everyone else. Outside of Gaza.

Two million plus brainwashed Hamas educated and trained Jihadi's.

I can agree 50% of what you say here.

I agree that those innocent noncombatant civilians living in (free) Palestine are living very different lives than those innocent noncombatant civilians living under HAMAS oppressive rule(they have the guns) even to this day. HAMAS must be forcing everyone they can to pick up weapons and engage the invading IDF.

I disagree that everyone in Gaza are self declared militant Jihadi terrorists. Would you, respectfully, provide a source with data to this end?

I disagree that everyone in Gaza is expendable.

I disagree that fighting to the last HAMAS is going to keep Israel safe.

I believe the fight to the last HAMAS will only do what such things have always done, gloriously inspire rivers of new terrorist cell recruits of every generation, insuring revenge violence for generations to come.

Iran is brainwashing the kids in Gaza through the kindergarten system from the age of 3 to hate Israel and Jews with a passion. Most people in Gaza are young and have gone through this programming of their brains. Therefore the vast majority inside Gaza will be Hamas supporters and their brains will be incapable of being rewired. Just like the SS post 1945. You won't change them, not when their brains got programmed at the age of 3.

So, just basing off what we know about the childhood upbringing and education of a person, we can surmise that they deserve to die?

A child's education and upbringing can be used as an excuse to murder them?

Am I understanding this logic correctly?

Hamas is a terror organisation as judged by my own government. Nobody wants terrorists killing innocent children etc. They need to be neutralised whether in Manchester, Paris, Barcelona, Moscow, London, New York, indeed the list is endless. Age means nothing. A terrorist is a terrorist full stop.