Originally posted by LockwithnoKey
I think another reason for the lack of dateable predictions within Wiccan/Pagans is the belief that outcomes can be affected through belief/magick,
therefore their is no set future to predict.
While this is true,
Wiccans can also make long-term magick-spells,
like for instance over several hundred years or so,
which in other terms could be considered predictions.
hey I'd like to mention there is a pagan/wiccan prophecy from 2004
which was made by a user with nick Coraon
here is the actual prophecy:
1. The wheel will begin to turn. (followers of
Christ will begin to see their end time)
2. Somewhere in the northern world, a group of
Pagan's (most likely wiccan's) will summon one of
their gods back to earth for guidance. He will see
the earth as it is now and weep. He will call out
to those who’s souls are unique and ask them to rise
the tides of magical energy around the world.
(stirring persist around the world that they feel
a tugging on their souls, as if they are being called.
3. The earth mother will finally grow tired of
being poisoned and will let her tenants know this.
(In other words, lots of bizarre natural events)
(Happening right now, but will get weirder before
4. The US will go too far. The price will not be
obvious. The spiritual energy (quint
as I was taught) of its hidden places will waver.
(ask anyone who works with spiritual energy, America’s
energy feels like its going very low, then climbing
incredibly high, only to fall off deeper losing
ground each time) Those who heard the call will slowly
rally and begin to try to save these places.
5. Non British states with noble lines will begin to
remember their pagan roots and people will return
to the old ways (much to the anger of Rome)
(Starting to see this, be only very slowly)
6. In Austria, an ancient school of magic will
once again open its doors, without realizing
that a magic school was on those grounds 2000 years
prior. (look on the net, I think that’s happened)
7. the planar seal (the barrier that cuts off earth
from the realms beyond it) will be pierced resulting
in those with unique souls realizing that their time
has come. They will begin to restore magic to the
earth. (don’t know about when, don’t think it's
8. The first change of man. A virus (or group of virii)
will spread and remove those with souls not
strong enough to handle the return of magic.
(the virus isn’t actually a virus per say,
think of it as a bad allergic reaction to the rising
levels of magic)
(SARS *might* have been a dry run)
9. The awakening of TatsuKahn. A large dragon
will be seen flying toward a large mountain by
many people in a bullet train. The dragon will be
recorded live, and taped for all to see. If the
dragon is red, man will know a new darkness (we are
currently in a world of darkness), if the dragon is
black the world will know a world of shadow
(transition), if the dragon is another color
then we will know an uncertain path.
10. The second challenge of man. UGE (unexplainable
genetic expression) Men and women with different
souls will not be able to hide their true nature
and will appear as elves, dwarves, and all manners
of mythic beings, but not dragons.
11. The tides will rise. Magic will return to men,
those who follow the old ways will be able
to perform many powerful spells thought lost
12. The dragon of man will appear and calm their
fears. Although all will know his true dragon form
he will choose to wear a more human form. He will
help man, and clam their fears. He will advise the
correct path, but eventually he will try to lead
men and be forcibly stopped. (not sure by whom,
in my flashes it's always a big controversy over
who did it)
13. The other dragons will appear, they will not lead
only guide people, and horde power. (as dragons
like to do)
14. Some men and women will chose to become hybrids
with machine in such a profound way they become unique
unto themselves. (most people seem unwilling or
unable to relate to this new breed)
15. A platinum age of man will begin where science
and magic balance each other solving the problems
with each. The earth mother will be pleased and return
to sleep. The Gods and Goddesses of all faiths will
step back and only involve themselves if directly
asked. (everyone seems really happy)
16. Mans searching for a new home among the stars,
will be finally achieved and a paradise world will
be found by a small group. They will fiercely guarded
their new home and only allow the people they choose
to settle there. (I also think there might have
been an older civilization there who died out,
leaving all kinds of goodies for the people)
Much of these predictions are in line with events that are already occuring.
and scientifically predicted things like the singularity with genetic nanotechnology and robotic revolutions.
Also in terms of the virus killing non-pagans or at least non-Wiccans,
that can easily be obesity, diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular-issues,
many Wiccans are immune by being vegetarian or vegan.
At the very least pagans worship nature,
and so would be more likely to do gardening,
as well as eat healthy organic or home-grown produce.
This is also similar to an animist pagan movement based on the Ringing Cedar collection of books, inspired from Anastasia a woman in Siberia, who is
in such cohesion with the environment, that squirrels and wild animals bring her food.
I made a thread about Russia's Permaculture Revolution here:
Also note there is GURPS - Transhuman Space,
which has singularity style predictions,
but also mentions elves and trolls,
also the Memetic Age,
or age of beliefs,
magic is formulated beliefs,
which then appear.
here is an excerpt from GURPS - 4th Edition - Transhuman Space
The science of memetics is another kind of technology, with
its own capabilities and limitations. It makes propaganda and
related techniques (rhetoric, advertising, popular arts, etc.)
much more powerful and precise, to the point where even a
lone amateur can have quite large-scale effects – but it can’t
reach into individual human brains and reprogram them to
order. (Some nanodrugs might accomplish that, but even with
those, specific words and images can only be planted if the victim’s
environment can be precisely controlled.) Memetics isn’t
telepathy; it’s mass psychology with some powerful scientific
tools and a mechanistic view of its subjects. It also provides a
handy vocabulary for describing social movements and conditions
to players. For example, a “meme
war” is a competitive propaganda campaign,
in which both sides analyze and
break down the ideas being spread by
each other, prepare balancing ideas,
and then try to spread them through a
population which is familiar with
memetics and may be all too aware of
what’s going on.
But memetics doesn’t have to be
actively manipulative. Changing and
propagating memes is hard work, and
not terribly reliable; it is far easier to
observe the “natural” memes in a population,
and work to exploit those.
Edgehunters and analysts might look
rather dull as PCs, but that depends
where they have to work, and what their
goals might be; they can find themselves
out on the fringes of society, acting as talent scouts as much as
advertisers. They can also spot toxic memes before they
spread, and prepare countermeasures. A campaign could
involve a police unit, its official memeticist consultants, and a
couple of sympathetic freelance edgehunters or social activists,
locked in battle with psychopathic meme-hackers who create
suicide cults and nihilist radical movements for kicks.
Since Wicca is magic-spell-casting,
it basically convinces the universe of things,
whereas memetics convinces people,
there is quite a bit of overlap.
I made a thread earlier about dangerous memes and potential meme-vaccines.