All out Nuclear War will never happen

originally posted by: Mouthtool
If Putin and Kim are about to lose everything, I think they launch. Those two are psychopaths that have been killing or having people killed most of their lives.

JUST like every American President has as well. Putin and Kim are "psychopaths" because you have been rendered by the MSM to believe this.

Dennis Rodman didn't think Kim was no Psycho, "he's just like every other young dude, he wants to have a good time "

Why has no one brought up the real deadly radiation source that is involved in a nuclear war?

The radiation from nuclear, atomic, hydrogen bombs is short lived. Almost all of the large quantity of ionizing radiation will be gone in the first month after the war. The real problem will be all the atomic reactors going up in meltdowns a month or so without having power to cool the reactor piles.

They will all go up like the ones in Japan did after the tsunami. The radioactive material from the reactors is not used up quickly like in the bombs. It keeps on spewing both atomic particles and toxic atoms, until they are somehow buried or we wait thousands of years.

I checked and almost all the USA population is within 50 miles of an atomic power plant. That is too close not to be affected by them melting down.

The bombs will be bad but the reactors are far worse in the long term.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Fallout was based on the blueprints they laid out. it sone of those rare instances where fiction meets scientific fact. the scael of thee vaults is not small and will have hydroponics,and ways to make items and also educate and train new people to work to replace one swho die,or get too old. Long haul generational vaults and nothing like a bomb shelter. There will also be a breeding program if need be.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

What about vitamin D lamps??

What is a vitamin D lamp and how does it work? LINK - LINK2

LED lights safer, more effective in producing Vitamin D3 than sunlight - LINK

Your Premise is sort of correct.
I dont think its about how long they can survive underground, but more a case of
without modern civilisation and all it has to offer, whats the point in being a Spoiled
Elite.

Nuclear war means , no civilisation , no power , no money .. nothing but a wasteland.
So you see these Oligarchs will not support detroying their lavish lives on a principal.

They like what power and money has to offer.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Nazi and communists are not really so much different from each other. They are in the same occult family and lead the same direction.

It's funny how much effort has gone into making them look like polar opposites. It's what happens to communities, who allow people who have never done a hard day's work, to infiltrate their schools and skew the thinking of little kids.

If we had been watchful, we would have _never_ allowed teaching or political jobs to become a profession. Teaching salaries would have augmented pensions and political jobs would be time-constrained. The courts would have _never_ been allowed to trespass on matters of the Church (institute of marriage). Don't get me going about corporate malfeasance. Just scratching at the surface here.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher
The problem is the elites don't control the button. It's the war hawks and they (like Biden) would push that button just because 1. they can, or 2. throw a tantrum because they would lose face. YES, it can be that stupid and that easy.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

How do the Elites plan on living underground In bunkers for a extended time , I mean all out Nuclear war the surface would not be habitable for a very long time .

Think there is also speculation that prolonged life/living underground can affect/stop the menstrual cycle with the obvious fertility concerns that may arise.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
a reply to: nugget1

I think people misunderstand a all out nuke war Chernobyl was one melt down when 100's or 1000's go off it a different story .

I don't see 100's or 1,000's going off; it only took two to end WWII. It sure seems like Biden is just itching to push the button and show the world what a tough guy he is; maybe he's hoping for the Nobel Peace Prize to one-up Barry?

a reply to: nugget1

....It sure seems like Biden is just itching to push the button and show the world what a tough guy he is....

Yet the only people who have threatened to use them have been Putin and some of his puppies?

Nuclear EMP with less than 40 weapons in space about 120 miles up would kill 90 % in the US and about 60% IN Russia
plus about 50% in china. No to little nuclear radiation at ground level. But very high solar radiation due to the loss of the ozone layer from the EMP.
the goverment does not want to end life on earth but just stop the other side from waging war.
if that means setting everyone back to the Stone Age and starting over. So be it.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: nugget1

....It sure seems like Biden is just itching to push the button and show the world what a tough guy he is....

Yet the only people who have threatened to use them have been Putin and some of his puppies?

And the only one who has been willing to discuss a peaceful resolution in Putin. I can't stick my head far enough in the sand to ignore Biden's war mongering attitude and continual escalation.

When has taunting a bully ever made good sense?

a reply to: nugget1

And the only one who has been willing to discuss a peaceful resolution in Putin.

Peaceful?
You mean' agree to my terms and demands'.
And there would be no need for a 'peaceful resolution' if Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine in the first place.

And how does any of that excuse repeated threats to use nuclear weapons not only on Ukraine but on several other countries too?

I can't stick my head far enough in the sand to ignore Biden's war mongering attitude and continual escalation.

Biden is a hopeless incompetent who should never have been allowed anywhere near The White House but he is NOT responsible for all the world's problems and did not start this senseless war; the responsibility for that lies squarely at Putin's feet.

When has taunting a bully ever made good sense?

More to the point when has backing down to one ever made sense and turned out good?

a reply to: Freeborn

Biden is a hopeless incompetent who should never have been allowed anywhere near The White House but he is NOT responsible for all the world's problems and did not start this senseless war; the responsibility for that lies squarely at Putin's feet.

And the responsibility for nixing any and all peace talks lies at Bidens' feet, as does the escalation. If you don't think he's itching for an excuse to escalate to nuclear you're not reading writing on the wall.

We don't and won't see eye to eye on the subject so let's let the thread move on, eh? You have a nice evening.

originally posted by: ANNED
Nuclear EMP with less than 40 weapons in space about 120 miles up would kill 90 % in the US and about 60% IN Russia
plus about 50% in china. No to little nuclear radiation at ground level. But very high solar radiation due to the loss of the ozone layer from the EMP.
the goverment does not want to end life on earth but just stop the other side from waging war.
if that means setting everyone back to the Stone Age and starting over. So be it.

Its why they have huge bunkers where they are protected from EMP,and also have dumb vehicles with no electronics.

Nuclear wars are indeed things of the past, they'll probably be displaced by chemical, biological, and bacteriological weapons, perhaps even psychotropic (it may be used against the Chinese. If Havana Syndrome is any indication and not merely mass-psychosis).

If nuclear weapons were used responsibly, they wouldn't be deployed directly on cities. If Russia resorts to this measure, they may be expected to deploy it near Hungary. It's hard to say whether the nuclear fallout or radiation will be worse for western Europe. Against coast cities, they'd mainly be used to stir up tsunamis.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
All out war would cause us to go underground for at least a generation no way we would survive that.

According to ancient and medieval records, there were periods in human history where either the Sun was blotted out or the air was polluted for upward 40-50 years, coinciding with plague outbreaks, notably beginning in AD 536-542, which lasted up until AD 594 (according to Evagrius Scholasticus).

It's unclear to me if a total deprivation of sunlight results in a regression of human consciousness or merely induces a trance-like/cataleptic condition.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
How do the Elites plan on living underground In bunkers for a extended time,

If Theodore Illion's claims about Tibet can be believed, he mentions in a footnote that an alleged subterranean city could procure food for itself without having to surface, partly by means of a few wealthy contributors to a communal society, partly thanks to a perfect organization (comparable to Jesuits) eliminating waste, and he implies there were underground labs for artificially growing food along scientific lines.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
I see a lot of speculation going on here. This aint no guessing game.

58% of Earths population will die within a few years- Fact

A whole ocean is severely polluted, all fish dead and all the ships on it are destroyed- Fact

A large portion of the planet wasted, polluted, destroyed- Fact

Source for the 58% figure? I'm expecting approximately 97%, based on the statistics and predictions I took into account. www.dropbox.com...

The recent Orca attacks are of great interest to me. They currently bear no ill will against humans, only targeting boat rudder. But it might interest people that there have been dreams about whales eventually evolving into land creatures. Such scenarios are extremely unlikely to unfold.
old.reddit.com... - old.reddit.com...

Allegedly, Rasputin delivered bizarre predictions about small animals undergoing metamorphosis.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Fallout follows the 7 x 10 rule

For every factor of 7 hrs (7 hours, 7 x 7, 7 x 7 x7) the radiation decreases by factor of 10

The danger of radiation from fallout also decreases rapidly with time due in large part to the exponential decay of the individual radionuclides. A book by Cresson H. Kearny presents data showing that for the first few days after the explosion, the radiation dose rate is reduced by a factor of ten for every seven-fold increase in the number of hours since the explosion. He presents data showing that "it takes about seven times as long for the dose rate to decay from 1000 roentgens per hour (1000 R/hr) to 10 R/hr (48 hours) as to decay from 1000 R/hr to 100 R/hr (7 hours)." This is a rule of thumb based on observed data, not a precise relation.

en.wikipedia.org...

Probably the most serious threat is cesium-137, a gamma emitter with a half-life of 30 years. It is a major source of radiation in nuclear fallout, and since it parallels potassium chemistry, it is readily taken into the blood of animals and men and may be incorporated into tissue. Other hazards are strontium-90, an electron emitter with a half-life of 28 years, and iodine-131 with a half-life of only 8 days. Strontium-90 follows calcium chemistry, so that it is readily incorporated into the bones and teeth, particularly of young children who have received milk from cows consuming contaminated forage. Iodine-131 is a similar threat to infants and children because of its concentration in the thyroid gland. In addition, there is plutonium-239, frequently used in nuclear explosives. A bone-seeker like strontium-90, it may also become lodged in the lungs, where its intense local radiation can cause cancer or other damage.

Plutonium-239 decays through emission of an alpha particle (helium nucleus) and has a half-life of 24,000 years. To the extent that hydrogen fusion contributes to the explosive force of a weapon, two other radionuclides will be released: tritium (hydrogen-3), an electron emitter with a half-life of 12 years, and carbon-14, an electron emitter with a half-life of 5,730 years. Both are taken up through the food cycle and readily incorporated in organic matter.

Three types of radiation damage may occur: bodily damage (mainly leukemia and cancers of the thyroid, lung, breast, bone, and gastrointestinal tract); genetic damage (birth defects and constitutional and degenerative diseases due to gonodal damage suffered by parents); and development and growth damage (primarily growth and mental retardation of unborn infants and young children). Since heavy radiation doses of about 20 roentgen or more (see "Radioactivity" note) are necessary to produce developmental defects, these effects would probably be confined to areas of heavy local fallout in the nuclear combatant nations and would not become a global problem.

Having worked with nukes in the 80s, I was always contented by us being one of the first targets of any strike, you really want to be under one when dropped and not ‘surviving’

if covid/ebola has shown us anything its the biologicals we should fear... look how fast those who think they believe in liberalism, freedom and democratic principles turned into snitches happy to tear down everyone else's rights..

indeed how fast most rushed to remove safeguarding the most vulnerable population at end of life, indeed the praise heaped on doctors and nurse for ensuring the vulnerable had miserable death's is a taster of who they'd become if it was actually something actually nasty like the black death or ebola..

even now most of the will either still defend that stance or pretend it never happened..

MOst likely russia will use tac nukes on ukraine itself.CHina will abandon putin as they only believe in striking to defend,not attacking with their nukes first.IF everyone stays out of this except europe and russia, the rest of the people on earth might can finally get along after they toast each other.