NG 191 controlled euthanasia in the UK.

a reply to: tri-lobe-1

No we have a right-wing, billionaire PM who is so far removed from realty he asked a homeless man at a soup kitchen if he worked in finance for mega banks.

We've had a right-wing conservative government for 12 years - before then it was Nu-Labour who were just Tories in red ties and rolled out the NHS privatisation schemes of Tory PM John Major

Have to go back around 50 years to find a leftwing government in the UK. There's only a couple of left wing governments in Europe (Norway, Portugal) - vast majority are centre-right.

a reply to: bastion

You're wasting your time. Consensus here is apparently anyone to the left of Enoch Powell is a hardcore socialist.

Enoch Powell may not even be far enough to the right now I think about it.

a reply to: bastion

in the same way euthanasia and sterilisation of the poor where key part of progressive liberalism from the late Victorian period upto the ww2 the uks nhs and welfare state where designed by those who wanted to control and eradicate the poor..

the 3rd way politics of the uk, libdem, labour, snp, conservative and greens have all been captured by a modern version of that liberalism..

in terms of left leaning govs there have been very few even post ww2..

a reply to: LABTECH767
Thought this song might help dispel the myth that British hard fought for and won workers rights is based upon anything other than moral imperative of 'fair play'.

The Testimony of Patience Kershaw

a reply to: Ohanka
To Tories and all other branches of the British Establishment, the NHS is just another mechanism for transferring wealth from the public purse to private interests.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: bastion

in the same way euthanasia and sterilisation of the poor where key part of progressive liberalism from the late Victorian period upto the ww2 the uks nhs and welfare state where designed by those who wanted to control and eradicate the poor..

They've certainly done a piss poor job of it so far.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: LABTECH767

Lab tech, While I appreciate your perspective of British socialist systems relating to Christianity, there is no indication that Jesus believed in government sponsored socialism as some kind of tenet of Christian belief. I believe this idea to be one of the most dangerous concepts put furth in modern society. It is one thing to reform economic systems, and quite another to advocate Marxist ideology in thane if and I see the guise of Christian morality. Since you seem to have such an understanding along this vein, I would point out to you the apostle Paul’s letters to the Corinthians, he not only advocated Christian support of our fellow man, he admonished that “every man shall bear his own burden”. KJV biblehub.com...
There is no evidence to support a government system of forced redistribution and a continually increased confiscation of the fruits of a man’s labor by government. Such an idea is really not just a lack of the true teachings of Christ, but a most unfortunate miscarriage of justice. Jesus multiplied the loaves and fishes by Universal precipitation, not confiscated peoples food and divided it. There is a difference.

It is a fact that socialism failed in early American colonies, there is historical account of that from Jamestown, one of our earliest colonies

William Bradford, the governor of the colony, in his History of Plymouth Plantation reported that “much was stolen both by night and day” to alleviate the prevailing condition of hunger. The mythical “feast” of the first Thanksgiving did fill their bellies briefly, he reported, and they were grateful, but abundance was anything but common. Why did this happen? Because they had fallen victim to the socialistic philosophy of “share the wealth.” This dis-incentivized the productive base of society.

www.newberryobserver.com...
So, you see even a more historical account than the lifetime of Jesus shows the true nature of it. Also, socialism dies much more harm than good, considering what the WEF has been promoting in the way of a One World digital currency controlled by a cabal of international elites and tied in to the most corrupt, controlling and even dangerous systems of totalitarian spying and oversight. There is literally nothing good will ever come of it. I will leave you with one more Christian teaching of Christ.

[18] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

quod.lib.umich.edu...
This was a statement of the difference between the relativism of human good and evil, and the the absolute good of God. And that is the real danger of moral relativism and modern virtue signaling.

Hold your horses there shiner.

Jesus is the KING right?.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd the LEADER right?.

Jesus TOLD the RICH to go and sell what they owned and come and follow him, if they do then they are under his GOVERNMENT right? and if they don't they are obviously servants of the DEVIL and under a DEATH SENTENCE right.

How more militant does the son of GOD have to be to get you to listen to him.

As you treat the least of these so to do you treat me he said, he is the government, he is the KING (no matter how corrupt people, emperors, bishops that were NOT true Emperors and NOT true Bishops at least not of HIS kingdom twisted the bible to there uses and ignored the inconvenient parts of his life and the fact HE was homeless).

Then there are old testament laws, giving one tenth of everything to the temple and the temple was SUPPOSED to give to the poor, the farmers told to leave enough for the poor so that they would NOT go hungry, the Widows and orphans not to be persecuted or put out of there homes, the country was GIVEN to them by GOD not to the Rich, not to the ELITE get it.

So sorry you really need to re-read your bible, yes Abraham had money but his children were not just the wealthy or the first born they were all his children and GOD's laws come down to us specifically through the Israelites the descendants of his son Jacob and through him God whom had appeared as a man before to Abraham came again and was born not in just appearance but actually BORN and lived a life as a man, a sinless life as a man.

He gave to the people to eat and multiplied what they had, he shared his wealth with the poorest the wealth of his spirit and the gift of everlasting life.

Now do you really think he wants those that are selfish like Ananias and Sapphira to take his kingdom and corrupt it into a mammon worshiping capitalist society in heaven, gold there is used to line the floors and roads, it is used to build not to spend.

Sorry but that simply does not wash if you look at it correctly, Jesus did not justify atheist members of secret brotherhoods like Marx or other misguided people and he also did not justify the rich guy with the huge bank account that sneers down his nose at the poor and downtrodden, no Christ said as you treat those poor and downtrodden so too do you treat him.

He IS the rightful government, any Christian worth even a part of there salt will tell you that.

And he told you if you have two coats to give to the one whom has the one you are NOT using, specifically your brother which can mean your fellow within HIS Kingdom, not squander your wealth on the pigs from outside of his kingdom like western ATHEIST governments have done to our society's by destroying our welfare systems by giving that money which is meant for OUR people, OUR brothers to NON christians.

Have you ever read the story of Ananias and Sapphira, how they were struck dead by the holy spirit for lying to him, how they were as PART of the church (Christs Government, Kingdom and Body on earth) meant to be honest and give the money they made from selling a parcel of land they owned entirely to the Church to be shared out and used to help the sick and needy and to cloth, shelter and feed everyone within the CHURCH community which sounds awfully like a Kibbutz but even more extreme), they were not struck dead for there greed but for lying, and the fact they had no real faith and had decided they could NOT rely upon God and so were not willing to die for him yet were willing to use the Church for all it's freebies, to be fair to them God has mercy upon them as they are still his but they set an example that oh so many of you miss, now God knows that NON of us are perfect and we are mostly far more like them than we are like the good Christians of that community and he has mercy but the example stands.


So in a Christian nation, Ruled by Christians with a Christian population despite the various denominations of faith it is mostly members of THE real universal church and therefore GOD is the real head of state, Christ is the real king and the government of such a nation is meant to act to care for the people, in there interests right?.

But instead we have secularists, atheists, pagan's and godless prick's and our society is falling because of it, money in an GODLESS capitalists system filters always to the top so quantitively easing is needed to create more money to ease the wheels of such an economic trash heap, only forcing that money back into the -

a reply to: LABTECH767

- system by taxing the elite, by reducing hideously runaway profits, by creating systems to uplift and help the poorest in society in turn making them able to buy what they heed, so turning them in fact into consumers which is actually what happens and opening the avenue for there children to attain proper education, giving them health care and subsidising (not owning though essential assets such as the health care system really should be owned by state even if open to private competition for the Hooray Harry's out there that want to think they are better when in fact they are definitely not and least of all in God's sight) business to maintain employment, controlling commerce through government subsidy, taxation, tariff and import controls while this will undoubtedly upset the internationalist globalist neo liberal scumbags that are currently trashing our world is actually both ethical and correct.

And when a government starts to use it's health care system which is meant to maintain the health of it's people as a killing machine you have to face the fact that such a government is NOT of the people, not FOR the people and is definitely EVIL as well as ANTI CHRIST.

a reply to: LABTECH767

The NHS is a "killing machine"?

Get real.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

A lot of modern things have evolved into the opposite of what they were originally set up for, with regard to their founding reasons.

a reply to: anonentity

Of course.

Do you have any direct experience of the NHS?

I do.

And I spent many years as a Claimant Clinical Negligence lawyer, so I do have some knowledge about the subject.

I do not share your opinion.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes, I spent a few years in the NHS, and I am well aware of the cock ups and coverups that went on. All the staff are human beings, some are really caring , but the main theme was always following the protocol because the doctor knows best, even if he doesn't.

originally posted by: anonentity
It looks like the British government is getting ready for the big cull, even the share market has reacted and pushed the stocks of the relevant drug company up 30 plus percent in one month. Hospitals and doctors are being incentivized to do business with larger payments for services.NG 191 is a bill that replaces the current bill for end-of-life care. They even have the numbers of those that they have decided to off organized for the future. According to the author of this says even paramedics are trained to administer these twilight drugs to end life. They have always been around to end life but the number of medications ordered, seem to suggest the protocol will be ramped up big time in the coming months.www.bitchute.com...

An excellent example of why it's a bad idea to use a secondary source without checking the primary sources or even doing the most basic fact checking.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LABTECH767

The NHS is a "killing machine"?

Get real.

It has certainly been turned into one, the OLD NHS before the so called hospital trusts, before NEW LABOUR and the NEW CONSERVATIVES aka both being NEO LIBERAL internationalists though the Tory's are playing a different game to the Blairites they both have the same agenda the Tory's trying to clean house before that agenda is achieved by destroying our remaining national institutions though BLAIR already did a major number on the NHS decentralizing it (Read into that NOT decentralization as that is not what it is at all but as with the decentralization of Government the long game there is about weakening our national government and also our Democracy in order to prepare for the one world government they are working toward, both OLD LABOUR and the OLD CONSERVATIVES would likely vomit at what there two party's have become).

I mean look what the Tory's have just done to a TRUE Conservative MP, by true I mean not corrupt and not working for the people paying the party but for his constituants.

He spoke out against the mRNA vaccines, revealed some genuine statistics in Parliament and made some questions.

But HIS party's other members all made a killing out of PPE and anyway it helped them to further ruin the NHS and push through other bad things onto our nation so since he was threatening there underhanded handing out of government PPE contracts to unscrupulous friends of the ruling elite he has now had the Whip removed, been forced to run as an independent at the next election and will likely now throw in his lot with the Reform party if they are not tarred with the same brush as the Ruling elite of both the main party's, that brush being obvious corruption such as Yvette Cooper over on the Labour side and the likes of just about every single front bench Tory MP and former Front Bench MP and Leader for the last 11 years.

Let's remember the NHS was not always a KILLING machine though it has most certainly been corrupted into one by a TORY elite that are prattling on about there being too many old and too many sick AND by a Neo Liberal labour party that were privatising through the back door by bringing in so called Hospital trusts in which a bunch of corrupt administrators get paid more than the surgeons that actually save lives and indeed these pen pushers get to prioritize whom get's what care.

Back in the old days health care quality stopped with the government, now they get to blame the hospital trusts for failings instead of the health department as it used to be.

I am as you know OLD Fashioned centre left which has nothing to do with the corrupt and morally bankrupt modern NEW LABOUR left with it's woke trash politics and PRO DISCRIMINATION POLICYS (Yvette Cooper if I recall, one of those found to have accepted hundreds of thousands in bribe money from a private company though she won't resign any time soon despite being one of a clique of corrupt scum that have destroyed the Labour Party and a former henchwoman of Tony Blairs labour party usurpers), I respect the OLD Conservatives though NOT THATCHER she was the first of the Neo Liberal scum bags and by the way Blair based his politics on hers as if that is not a clue that he was an infiltrator into the labour movement and bad news all around for our politics.

I actually quite liked John Major however, although he did privatise British rail so blame him for a lot that is now going on and the fact your fairs are the highest in western Europe and some of the highest in the world and a hole load of that money then goes to subsidised NATIONAL state owned rail networks in Germany and France after they snapped up those shares.

So left or right you have to admit we are in the same boat, we hate what now passes for politics, we hate the corruption in both main party's and hate the demise of our nation.

I diverge in that I hate the sell off's of the 80's, 90's and teen's that have led us down this road to chaos and destruction and that ultimately along with decentralization of our government has crippled our government's ability to cope with disasters and crisis while crooked fat pricks with bad hair have ran our nation into the ground while twaddling there bloody thumb's in no 10 and now we have a bloody pagan with an elephant headed idol in his pocket.

Let's face it we are up # creek as the yank's say without a paddle.

a reply to: anonentity

Who knows better than qualified Doctors and Consultants?

Random folk on the internet?

May I ask what you did in the NHS?

No need for specifics. Just a general idea.

Thanks.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Psych Nurse.Before they declared everyone sane and closed the hospitals. , The consultants are on a good wicket and are well aware that to stay on a good wicket you do not make waves. People spend years working hard and keeping their heads down to get up the pay grade, they will do whatever it takes to maintain the status quo.

a reply to: anonentity

Pysch Nurse?

Ah yes. I have watched "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest".

Explains a lot.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I checked out your posts and confirmed my suspicions about you. You are pro vax, and thru a quick profile of you I have a theory.
You pushed that jab. You promoted that jab on as many people that came your way. (Which makes me wonder how many ppl you personally jabbed). Now you're denying cold hard facts. Not because you want any truths, but so you can sleep at night, knowing you, are in part, responsible for the side affects of something you yourself helped to promote.
This isn't a case of you wanting the truth about all this out there. You are merely battling your own conscience and guilt. You'd rather fight about how awesome the health care system is, and how the vax is a good thing, rather than face the cold hard FACT of things.

Y'all are wasting your time arguing with this propaganda pusher.

a reply to: AOx6179

Then you can post an example of me posting any such thing?

Go on then.

I challenge you to do that.

I'll wait.

Over to you to back up your lies.

a reply to: glen200376

You are annoying me . Not often I post here but I've been here for a long time , I tend to just lurk but your coment has hit a nerve.

My partner is an NHS nurse . She used to work in the wards but being constantly short staffed led to her and one other to run a ward of 13 patients at night. Ended up her health was taking a hit .

She now works as a community nurse. She came home yesterday and burst into tears because she's frustrated that a young man (32) she had been treating at home for testicular cancer has deterriated with the cancer now going to his brain , she has been fighting to get him the best care possible . She's at home sending emails , giving phone calls , updating notes , all in her own time as the poor lad is running out of time and she wants the best end of life care for him.

She's not lazy and she certainly isn't stupid , she has a bachelor degree with honours in science.

Let's not paint everyone with the same brush .