SCI/TECH: Cannabis medicine 'causes harm'

wouldnt it be safe to say that 2 out of 8 men are paranoid and anxious, already?

It's impossible to have a respectable conversation about marijuana on ATS - Or any other drugs for that matter....

Discussion always fades into how many bong rips person x can do before they think they can't do a, b or c.....making any further posts on the topic mute....

Why even try....Soon this thread will be closed, a new one will pop up in a week or so, and then you'll have your chance at the first punch once more.....and so on and so on.....

Internet topics like these are best left for a conversation with you and yourself

*sighs*

Quote: "not about medicines based on the Cannabis Plant and btw, these medicines are Derived from the Cannabis Plant."

Well I already Mentioned "Marinol". Marinol is in no way "Derived" from the Cannabis Plant BTW. It is *SYNTHETIC THC*! THC is NOT the only Active Substance in Cannabis - a LOT more study & Re-Search needs to be done & this is why I am Frustrated because instead of Science we are only getting more Propaganda from the likes of people like you Muadibb! You must own Shares of “Pharma” Stock Muadibb!

www.usdoj.gov...

Quote: "Medical Marijuana already Exists. It's called Marinol."

This is an *Outright LIE* - as has been stated before Marinol is nothing but *SYNTHETIC THC*! So now we see this "War on Drugs" is nothing more than our Corporate Government trying to get a *MONOPOLY* on its *Profits* via Control!

Attention all Automatons! We are your Corporate Governmental Overlords! We Own your Mind! We Control your Reality! We Control your Life's Destiny! You have no Will of your own - Our Will is Your Will! You must do what we tell you to do! You must Believe what we Tell you to Believe! No need to think for yourself - we will do that for you! We do this for your own Good. Our Enemies are Terrorists - We the Corporate Government are your Saviors! Remember you are "Free" - now do your Civil Duty & Consume our Products Exclusively!
Now DIE for our Profit Margins you Useless Sub-Human Eaters! There is no Escape! Our Capitalist System is SUPREME! Resistance is Futile! We are Legion!

Sorry I am *NOT BUYING* it anymore - the Revolution begins NOW!

[edit on 8-4-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 8-4-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Revolution Calling

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

Sorry I am *NOT BUYING* it anymore - the Revolution begins NOW!

So, um what exactly does that entail?

I'm looking around, but nothing seems to have changed at all.

Well I can only speak for myself! I am as Frustrated as Hell & I am not going to take it any more! I refuse to let the Government Intimidate me & Shove Lies down my throat as a Sedative! I will actually USE my First Amendment Right to Free Speech instead of Following the Herd of Swine off the Cliff & into the Abyss! I will Stand up for my Rights!

I am MORE than just another Consumer! I am MORE than just a SLAVE to Corporations! I have come to know the Truth! I have seen the Future! Let me tell you we are on a DANGEROUS Path right now as a Country & a Culture! But it is not too late to change if we start NOW! There are plenty of other people out there who feel the same way as me! Bloodless Coups are More than Possible! Look at how the Republicans pulled it off in 2000 & they have been Pacifying the Zombie Herd ever since (Drugs are bad but Religion & TV & Sports are good - Right) - the Pendulum is bound to swing in the other direction & SOON! I have had ENOUGH of these Insane American Fundamentalist Talibans in the Government trying to tell me how to live my life!

I REALIZE were the biggest "Cell" of Terrorists (or Sell Out Traitors if you like) in America actually resides -> Washington DC!

Welcome To The Club

Seraphim_Serpente, if it's any comfort, I know the feeling well.

However, as I have grown older and come to realize how little I actually know about the world, I have also come to realize that the only revolutions that will ever occur in my life come from within, and not as a result of a simple declaration.

True change requires commitment, dedication, effort and tenacity. Without them, there can be no revolution of any kind.

Honesty: My Own Personal Revolution

The most revolutionary thing I've ever done was to start being honest with myself about my own limitations. I still have a long way to go, but the results so far have been promising.

From there, I learned to try to be honest with others as a logical extension. Again, that didn't come naturally and I am far from perfect at it. But it has still proven to be a very rewarding policy to the extent I stick to it.

Some of what you have posted here leads me to suspect that you may be accepting things as true that are not. That is hardly something anyone here can honestly claim to have never done, myself most assuredly included.

Still, the less of that you do, the better off you'll be. Going through life believing lies is painful -- I know that all too well.

Painful as it is to discover them, it's always less painful to discover them sooner rather than later. Again, I know from whence I speak on this.

Things You Can Do To Really Make A Difference

My advice for dealing with your frustration is to give yourself some slack, relax, realize that although you can change the world, you can't necessarily do it instantly, and you're on the right track.

From there, I recommend adopting honesty in all things as your creed. As in my case, perfection may be a worthy ideal, but don't give up if you slip now and then -- just learn from it.

Apply your honesty as a tool to every problem life throws at you and see how it works. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Though it can somtimes seem like insanity, it ultimately pays off every time.

From there, new possibilities I can't even begin to imagine will emerge.

This is the same advice I have given my own kids, and intend to give to my grandkids.

As far as I'm concerned, it's probably the only advice I can give them or anyone else that is actually worth a damn in the end.

Take it for what it's worth, and with it, my sincerest best wishes.

a reply to: FredT

I am reviving this thread, to add some new and relevant information:

www.scienceagogo.com...
(Oct. 2014) AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES LINKED TO ADOLESCENT MARIJUANA USE
"Medical researchers from the Universita degli Studi di Milano (Italy) say that exposure to marijuana during adolescence can seriously affect immune system development, leading to autoimmune and chronic inflammatory diseases in adulthood.

"Reporting their findings in the Journal of Leukocyte Biology, the researchers say teenage marijuana use could be a risk factor for diseases such as multiple sclerosis, inflammatory bowel disease, and rheumatoid arthritis.

"f the findings are replicated, they confirm adolescence as a key phase of immune system sensitivity, and how changes during this period of immune system development can have important long-term consequences. "I hope that the knowledge that early exposure to marijuana is associated with immediate and long-term deleterious effects on the immune system may reach adolescents and their families," said researcher Paola Sacerdote."

a reply to: FredT
Oh by all means let big pharma(harmless good guys) synthesize it, control it, patent it, get it outlawed again after they control it...give me a break, Pretty common knowledge since the dawn of time that pot "could" make you paranoid..like at the moment or time of use..if that..funny though of many, many people who I personaly know..I can't think of even 1 who is abnormal, paranoid..etc. Just my experience living in one of the most world renowned place for it. Is too much of anything good..I say no.
Let me ask why do you care what your neigboor is doing..very unlikley to affect your life?
I feel I should add Im not advocating the use by teens/kids, its an adult thing like alcohol.

"Extra Extra! Breaking News! Pot causes paranoia! Read all about it!"

originally posted by: FredT
Swiss researchers have discovered that 2 out of eight men taking drugs containing THC develop paranoia and anxiety.

On the other hand, I'd be paranoid too if Swiss researchers were trying to discover things about me.

Not that I don't agree that THC tends to make people hyper aware of things that kind of get lost in the background noise when you're not high.

And I'll note for the record that I don't smoke pot. I've tried it a few times (which is how I know what it does) but I've never been a habitual user.

a reply to: FredT

Also the chemical compounds that promote the benefits to these patients that have a legitimate need can be made synthetically.

I don't want synthetic lab-created meds that cost a fortune to fix one problem whilst causing multiple others. No fear.

I suffer with painful joints, arthritis and old age creeping up on me I think lol. I have a bad reaction to anti-inflammatory meds and some pain-killing meds and I'm unable to take them, so rather than suffer in misery I use MJ to relieve the pain when it gets too distracting.

I'm not sure if MJ relieves my pain or increases my pain tolerance, but if it's the only thing that works for me then who are you to tell me I can't have it?

We're not hurting anyone. Live and let live man.

a reply to: FredT

A long time ago I watched a docu where they gave this women pure THC and she had crazy levels of anxiety, apparently without the CBDs paranoia is much more common.

This is off topic, but for me at least the side effects of the current over the counter cold medicine is the only effect it has. Gives me the jitters and makes me feel worse and my nose continues to run. I hate winter.

a reply to: FredT

I'm surrounded by habitual marijuana smokers and I have habitually smoked marijuana for many many many years.

The paranoia and anxiety all have to do with your level of tolerance and mentality of being high. Anxiety, mainly caused by the Sativa strand, will come on pretty hard if you have a very low tolerance and you're smoking a very high quality strand of marijuana.

I plan on writing a topic for the forums about marijuana soon, since I'm very passionate about it and I am very much so in the "scene" of marijuana users. Almost every stigma attached to it, is completely wrong.


*side note*

I drive while high ALL the time. I can easily say that I've operated my vehicle high, more than sober.

I have 0 accidents and 0 traffic violations.
I have also avoided a couple accidents with quick thinking, while high.

originally posted by: djohnsto77
Paranoia can be a side effect of marijuana and other hallucinogenic drugs, but it shouldn't cause any permanent harm except to those already afflicted with or particularly susceptible to mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.

Although decade upon decade of anti-Cannabis propaganda from TPTB, including hundreds of thousands of people being hunted down, dragged into court, publicly humiliated, and then have their liberty torn from them when they are thrown into some hell-hole prison is bound to have at the very least residual psychological effects on people, which understandably can include a sense of paranoia and a mild level of anxiety.

TPTB propaganda in this regard has been quite successful, although not successful enough to prevent untold millions of people using Cannabis for medical, spiritual and recreational reasons, preferring instead to put up with the mild anxiety and the remote feeling that at any minute the Police may smash in your door and drag you away!

Of COURSE it's going to contribute to feelings of paranoia and mild anxiety, even in a testing / research setting the unconscious mind is still present, even if we know the Police aren't going to arrest and drag people away.

originally posted by: syntaxer
I believe marijuana affects the chemical balance in certain individuals depending on dopamine levels etc. I've witnessed good, intelligent bright people growing up turn paranoid schizophrenics, or manic depressants if they continued or ceased to use pot.[edit on 4-4-2005 by syntaxer]

What an outrageous pile of crap. Can you provide one source that provides a documented causative link between weed use and schizophrenia and/or bipolar disorder? I double-dog dare you. There is a very high (75%+) correlation of people self-medicating with those disorders --- most especially schizophrenia --- but to attempt to assert that weed use in some way triggered or caused the emergence of either disorder is a steaming crock.

The worst paranoia and anxiety I have experienced recently, has been taking drugs prescribed to me by doctors. I've had steroid psychosis, from being given large doses of dexamethasone. I thought the doctors had put cameras in my tv to keep an eye on me in my last hospital room,I began to believe I was being monitored by phsychiatric specialists. It pushed me to the very limits of mental well being.

originally posted by: FredT
Swiss researchers have discovered that 2 out of eight men taking drugs containing THC develop paranoia and anxiety. The researchers said that the public needs to be aware of potential side effects. One UK pharmaceutical company that has a license to develop such drugs indicated that the level used in the study was higher than they would use.

 

news.bbc.co.uk
Cannabis-based medicines can cause paranoia and anxiety in some people, a study has suggested.

Swiss researchers found two out of eight men given drugs containing THC, a chemical extracted from cannabis, developed psychotic effects.

The University of Lausanne team said the public needed to be aware cannabis medicine could have such side effects.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

While on a professional level I do not object to research and its use in selected cases, it needs to be tightly controlled. In the area I live in there are something 60 "clubs" for medicinal use. How many people have a legitimate need for it? Not enough for that many people cultivating large amounts. Most people are using this as an excuse to grow thier own plants. Also the chemical compounds that promote the benefits to these patients that have a legitimate need can be made synthetically.

I fully endorse and support the medical Marijuana industry. Cannabis IS a safe(or safer) and effective medicine for a wide range of ailments/conditions. If someone has a legitimate medical condition and is considering marijuana as a medication; The first thing that person should do is consult with their physician. It is unfortunate that some people have adverse effects to Cannabis or their synthetic counterparts. But that does not mean that Marijuana should not be an option for people with regards to their own healthcare. In the end I think that people have a right to make the choice for themselves.