Jesse Marcel on What Really Happened at Roswell

originally posted by: idusmartias

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

One question is why did the Roswell command let that first message about a crashed UFo get out?

I have to give you the Ol Polish salute on that one.

I’d have to have a time craft from this present to return to our past to find out….

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What would you rather have, a lie to keep the Russians confused or tell them the truth that one of our Mogul project balloons that was spying on them failed? It's no secret, now, that due to the temper of the time Russia was not our friend and they were engaged in dangerous secret weapons projects. We had nothing better to spy on their activities than Mogul.

Firstly I'm not advocating an alien craft crashed at Roswell but secondly this explanation fails the logic test as why then release any info at all.

That time of year is when NM comes into monsoon weather patterns. Thunder bumpers form fast and out of nowhere, lots of high winds and large dust devils.

Surely there are small tiny pieces missed and under dirt if that really happened. High speed aircraft wrecks still have tiny pieces embedded deep in the dirt.

Here is a FULL reprint of Brazel’s interview for prosperity and reference….



The Interview

……”Interview with Mac Brazel
Roswell Daily Chronicle, July 9, 1947

W.W. Brazel, 48, Lincoln county rancher living 30 miles south east of Corona, today told his story of finding what the army at first described as a flying disk, but the publicity which attended his find caused him to add that if he ever found anything short of a bomb he sure wasn't going to say anything about it.

Brazel was brought here late yesterday by W.E. Whitmore, of radio station KGFL, had his picture taken and gave an interview to the Record and Jason Kellahin, sent here from the Albuquerque bureau of the Associated Press to cover the story. The picture he posed for was sent out over the AP telephoto wire sending machine specially set up in the Record office by R. D. Adair, AP wire chief sent here for the sole purpose of getting out the picture and that of sheriff George Wilcox, to whom Brazel originally gave the information of his find.

Brazel related that on June 14 he and 8-year-old son, Vernon were about 7 or 8 miles from the ranch house of the J.B. Foster ranch, which he operates, when they came upon a large area of bright wreckage made up on rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks.

At the time Brazel was in a hurry to get his round made and he did not pay much attention to it. But he did remark about what he had seen and on July 4 he, his wife, Vernon, and a daughter Betty, age 14, went back to the spot and gathered up quite a bit of the debris.

The next day he first heard about the flying disks, and he wondered if what he had found might be the remnants of one of these.

Monday he came to town to sell some wool and while here he went to see sheriff George Wilcox and "whispered kinda confidential like" that he might have found a flying disk.

Wilcox got in touch with the Roswell Army Air Field and Maj. Jesse A. Marcel and a man in plain clothes accompanied him home, where they picked up the rest of the pieces of the "disk" and went to his home to try to reconstruct it.

According to Brazel they simply could not reconstruct it at all. They tried to make a kite out of it, but could not do that and could not find any way to put it back together so that it would fit.

Then Major Marcel brought it to Roswell and that was the last he heard of it until the story broke that he had found a flying disk.

Brazel said that he did not see it fall from the sky and did not see it before it was torn up, so he did not know the size or shape it might have been, but he thought it might have been about as large as a table top. The balloon which held it up, if that was how it worked, must have been about 12 feet long, he felt, measuring the distance by the size of the room in which he sat. The rubber was smoky gray in color and scattered over an area about 200 yards in diameter.

When the debris was gathered up the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks made a bundle about three feet long and 7 or 8 inches thick, while the rubber made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches long and about 8 inches thick. In all, he estimated, the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds.

There was no sign of any metal in the area which might have been used for an engine and no sign of any propellers of any kind, although at least one paper fin had been glued onto some of the tinfoil.

There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there were letters on some of the parts. Considerable scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction.

No strings or wire were to be found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used.

Brazel said that he had previously found two weather balloons on the ranch, but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these.

"I am sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon," he said. "But if I find anything else besides a bomb they are going to have a hard time getting me to say anything about it."……..

End of Interview

You’ll note that the noun “Saucer” is not used in the interview article.

For distinction’s sake ……”Origins of 'Disc' and 'Disk'
To start from the beginning: the word derives from the Latin noun discus, which means “quoit, disk, dish.” The Greeks spelled this word as diskos, deriving it from the verb dikein (“to throw”). The diskos was a round, flat object that Greek athletes would throw for distance during the ancient Olympics, a sporting tradition that continues in the modern Olympics with the spelling discus.

The discus became a useful item of comparison for anything having a round, flat shape being called a disc or disk. But initially there was no consensus among English speakers on whether to use the Latin-derived spelling (with the c) or the Greek-derived spelling (with the k).”……


Below is a notable USG reference to the Roswell case, from departments within the USG

GOVERNMENT RECORDS Results of a Search for Records Concerning the 1947 Crash Near Roswell, New Mexico

Below an excerpt from wiki Project Mogul

…….”The early Mogul balloons consisted of large clusters of rubber meteorological balloons, however, these were quickly replaced by enormous balloons made of polyethylene plastic. These were more durable, leaked less helium, and also were better at maintaining a constant altitude than the early rubber balloons. Constant-altitude-control and polyethylene balloons were the two major innovations of Project Mogul.”…….

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

One question is why did the Roswell command let that first message about a crashed UFo get out?

I have to give you the Ol Polish salute on that one.

I’d have to have a time craft from this present to return to our past to find out….

👽🛸🥃

Why the press release that a crashed ship was found?

Apparently, there are two levels of the Roswell story. The original and the one formed by three well-known ufologists. Both have a crashed ship and aliens, and the first one has also no aliens or crashed saucer.

The original is that the press release was a "a shoot from the hip mistake".


The Roswell embellished story by the ufologists from the late 70s, 80,s and even 90s say the press release was part of a cover-up. The saucer was actually found in another place near Roswell, I think Corona NM, away from the Brazel ranch, and the press release was to distract attention from that site where actually the saucer had crashed along with some aliens, so say two of those ufologists.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

There is an effect of Medusa in many species where they will stand frozen sort of stupefied when encountering something they have never seen before that challenges all of their intect of collected knowledge... people that have seen UFO phenomena in their mind it is still stuck staring in awe struck wander while the grasping is the ground of UFO so part of them can step out and go about their business having grasped whatever it is as that it still isn't really explained as a phenomenon... it is labeled tucked away and then judged when in the state of stupor and not knowing there is still absolutely no comprehension of what was and still is being experienced.

Explaining it away won't get rid of it as it is an unexplainable moment in time frozen just the same as they are like in 2001 Space Odyssey where a protohominid sits before a big black archon or pillar that is there before all its comprehension as a species from first to last.

Saying UFO is limited and leaves the other possibilities out... others have called the phenomena unidentifiable or unexplained "visual" phenomena which is much more accurate... debris isn't flying and the rancher didn't see anything but strange wreckage and did the right thing knowing there was an Air force base that had experimental airplane and craft and if it was from a regular plane? The news would have reported the crash... no news report of a crash the rancher made the right call... of course the news would say not a regular plane in the reporting and the Airforce as the man narrating said he couldn't say as it put his rank and reputation with the Airforce at risk.

Later what he could disseminate was what the material was capable of not what it's failures or limits are... when something is at an altitude where even fuel can freeze Tungsten even if thin as described would be as brittle as a balloon dipped in liquid hydrogen.

So what I am saying airforce was signaling to investors that they had developed a very strong material and those invested in it were probably in the know of a high altitude test to see if it would freeze and shatter and the new paper visually verified the high altitude test failed but all of those not invested of course a not need to know and the idea of UFO was just as fine as weather balloon the weather balloon perhaps carried it to high altitude while another plane shot it to see if it would pierce and since it was frozen and shattered good enough as a test flight of the project material.

That's all I am saying other than those that have had such experiences there is no way to know no way to even say or explain it and trying to is impractical as other than common ground of there's some phenomena no one knows or can truly know and say anything about without losing their head or tongue in the process. Like the concept of god when others say everything said about such a phenomenon is just created or delusional grasping and not reality... making such about experience just that experience and not anything that could be fathomed.

Some cannot sit or deal with such a thing as a reality and be ok with such a thing existing and have to keep picking at it like a scab... others can and then make no mind about it and just continue on about their business in the world.

originally posted by: chunder

originally posted by: idusmartias

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

One question is why did the Roswell command let that first message about a crashed UFo get out?

I have to give you the Ol Polish salute on that one.

I’d have to have a time craft from this present to return to our past to find out….

👽🛸🥃

What would you rather have, a lie to keep the Russians confused or tell them the truth that one of our Mogul project balloons that was spying on them failed? It's no secret, now, that due to the temper of the time Russia was not our friend and they were engaged in dangerous secret weapons projects. We had nothing better to spy on their activities than Mogul.

Firstly I'm not advocating an alien craft crashed at Roswell but secondly this explanation fails the logic test as why then release any info at all.

Obviously you are not a history buff.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Here is a FULL reprint of Brazel’s interview for prosperity and reference….

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I also always go to the best source, the horse's mouth (although Oberg might have a different point of view!)