Originally posted by rg73
Clostridium is an anaerobe. Therefore it does not flourish in oxygen does it? Therefore it isn't exactly a problem under atmospheric conditions.
Clostridium infects deep wounds primarily and other areas of low to no-oxygen. It will never cause any pandemic diseases.
The links I provided above lead to a comprehensive series of articles from the CBC that profile "super bugs." ...Well worth reading and
In fact, C. difficile IS epidemic in certain locations, specifically hospitals. It's worth monitoring - mutations happen - for example, last year,
Edmonton reported a new strain of E. coli that spread via aerosol. Unheard of, right?
Nevermind that Clostridium is treatable with appropriate antibiotic regimes and that you can kill the spores with appropriate measures as well.
The point is that resistant mutations are evolving faster than effective antibiotics can be developed - at present only one antibiotic seems to work,
and we can NOT count on appropropriate measures being taken to kill the spores. ...As the CBC reports, budget cutbacks hit nurses and support staff
first and thus, the first line of effective hygiene defense. US hospitals are likely much worse - when the bottom line is the first priority,
sacrifices are made and the patients are first to pay.
The link above says ESBL bacteria are only a problme for immuno-comprimised individuals. This is a small fraction of the problem--again no potential
Again, please read the material. Re: ESBL - it's only fatal
in immune compromised individuals - but also very likely may cause long term low
grade chronic infections in otherwise healthy people. And chronic counts.
Vancomycin resistance is a problem, especially with diseases like TB, but even though there are vanc-resistance Mycobacterium in high density places
like NYC, we haven't seen epidemics. Again, not really a big concern.
Again I disagree - the epidemics have already started.
... every last one of these bacteria can be killed with the right bacteria phage. They've been using phage successfully in Russia for almost
100 hundred years to treat a variety of bacterial infections.
Absolutely. This is where the research and production needs to be. FYI - A Russian scientist was in the USA about 2 years ago looking for
investors to back bacteriophage production - after a brief public flurry, the press was buried and as far as I know, the initiative was killed.
Apparently, the profit potential is not high enough.
And phage resistance usually comes at a greater cost than antibiotic resistance, so phage resistant bacteria are much less pathogenic than their
antibiotic resistant counterparts.
FYI - one of the real problems is that current decontamination and sterilization techniques leave the super bugs alive to evolve and mutate - but kill
the phages and thus prevent the phages from mutating and evolving along with the super bugs. Time for a pardigm shift.
Anyway, none of the bacteria you've mentioned has much of a potential to cause epidemics and they're all treatable.
Please read the articles - the problem is real and no, they are NOT all treatable. As Dr. Mark Miller said, "Something happened 18 to 24 months
ago, ..." and now, super bugs are mutating into more virulent forms on exposure to antibiotics.
Bird flu is a little bit of a worry, but, WHO and CDC aren't really in a panic, just heightened concern.
?!? ...Don't know where you get your information - but it reads like damage control.
Also recent network epidmieological models have shown that even smallpox can be contained with the right quarantine measures.
Bird flu crosses species barriers, doesn't die and also is transmitted via surfaces, soil and water. Quarantining human victims does squat.
...all the new "super bugs" are just that - and possess previously unthinkable "super powers." There is a problem, Houston. Deal with it. Don't
There are no real global killers out there in the microbiology world.
See above, especially the part about damage control. ...Your information is completely inaccurate and out of date.
Nasty viruses and bacteria to be sure, but nothing that is going to destroy civilization or even put a dent in it.
I agree that a certain elite segment of the population believes they are protected and immune - and is willing to sacrifice millions of people to
ensure that they can maintain their standards of luxurious living. So by those terms, no, civilization won't be destroyed. Just ordinary people.
[edit on 2-4-2005 by soficrow]