Conservative MP Arrested Over Rape And Sexual Assault Allegations

a reply to: optimisticcontrarian

They have to do this, its like a requirement from the left, they HAVE to label people to try and make themselves look good

You do see the irony in this and well, your whole post....don't you?

You criticise, stigmatise and label a whole swathe of people for labelling people?

ive come to the conclusion that the left are just plain Evil,....

a reply to: andy06shake

I'm a bit conflicted over this.

I have absolutely no tolerance at all for any form of sexual assault or harassment.
No if's, but's or maybe's.
And I passionately believe in complete and total transparency with regards anything relating to our elected officials.
And its imperative that we have a free and independent press who are allowed to report on such matters.

But I must admit, I think its slightly unfair naming people accused of these crimes.
Once publicly named it can never be taken back.
How many people have been found innocent of sex related crimes yet their name is tarnished and they face a never ending stream of abuse. They are never free from the stigma attached to the accusations.

A hard balance to find.

Unfortunately those inclined to commit sex crimes and abuse tend to cross all social and political divides.
I'm not in to the political point scoring over things like this, the attempts to make it a left/right thing are really pathetic.

Anyone found guilty of any sex related crime should be lifed off; no second chance, no rehabilitation.

Yeah it's not a left vs right thing it's basic UK law with court cases and even the Conservative party whip has suspended the MP in question until the investigation is concluded. We're not the US - It would be contempt of court for the press to try and put this as a political issue or use any loaded language.

Would be little/no point in ignoring what Party they're from given their own Party have taken actions and issued statements to the press.

Their identity is known but can't legally or ethically be revealed to protect the identity of the victim and ensure fair trial.

EDIT: The whips haven't suspended him from the Party yet or withdrawn the whip but he's been banned from going anywhere near Parliament until resolved - allegedly the only reason the whip hasn't been withdrawn is it would require him to be publicly named as part of Parliamentary process which is in direct conflict with laws against 'jigsaw' identification of victims if sex crimes.

a reply to: Freeborn

That's why I kept it to a PM.

The name is out there in various places but nothing official yet.

These things rarely stay quiet for long but you wouldn't want to put it out and find its the wrong bloke later on.

a reply to: StoutBroux

It wasn't you I was going after, it was the title and source.

Good to know.

It's just odd how political affiliation has ANYTHING to do with the arrested/accused etc. or why it's even mentioned. Because we ALL know there are bad people of all political persuasions.

I think in this instance the reasoning for mentioning party affiliation would be down to the MP caught watching porn in the houses of parliament last month that had to resign or the antics of Imran Ahmad Khan found guilty of molesting a teenage boy.

There are bad people in all walks of life StoutBroux, quite a few of the dirty wrong'yins, all the same, seem to be entrenched in our political system.

a reply to: Freeborn

But I must admit, I think its slightly unfair naming people accused of these crimes.
Once publicly named it can never be taken back.

They do it to normal folk in the likes of "The Digger" every day.

The only difference being some dirty wrong'yin MP is lightly to make the front-page of the papers.

I can see why it could be an issue all the same where the likes of a fair trial is concerned.

a reply to: Tulpa

These things rarely stay quiet for long but you wouldn't want to put it out and find its the wrong bloke later on.

Cheers for the PM Tulpa.

That's why i have not mentioned who you said it may be as of yet until more conclusive evidence and facts materialize.

People will simply be able to establish who it is via their absence, because they have been told not to go anywhere near parliament apparently.

a reply to: andy06shake

I don't just mean politicians and public figures.

Where I live, even the slightest suggestion that a person is a sex case or a nonce and there's a good possibility they'll be found swinging from a lamppost.
That stigma sticks with people regardless of being convicted or not.
I've seen people hounded out and chased away all on allegations and even just rumours which have been at times been unfounded.

But people also have a right to know if a nonce/sex case is living in their midst and what their elected representatives have been accused of.

Its not an easy balance to keep.

a reply to: Freeborn

Where I live, even the slightest suggestion that a person is a sex case or a nonce and there's a good possibility they'll be found swinging from a lamppost.

Same crap different playground where i hail from myself.

That stigma sticks with people regardless of being convicted or not.
I've seen people hounded out and chased away all on allegations and even just rumours which have been at times been unfounded.

I've seen people get burned out of their flats and escorted away via social work and police, they did turn out to be actual beasts all the same.

But people also have a right to know if a nonce/sex case is living in their midst and what their elected representatives have been accused of.

Its not an easy balance to keep.

Not easy indeed, but people need to know who and what is walking around next to them and there's on the loose.

The tar and feather aspect as you mention is indeed a problem to be considered.

a reply to: andy06shake

You ready for tonight?

I remember when we were in Seville; I had a flight booked but couldn't make it due to 'unforeseen circumstances'.
My mates who I had planned on going with had a great time....shame about the result.

I ended up watching it in an Irish Bar where I live.

a reply to: Freeborn



Taking the wee man to the local to watch the game.

Feels like a once in a lifetime opportunity for us. LoL

A load of my mates are off to Seville to watch them play in bars, not even got tickets, hopefully our fans keep the head.

a reply to: Freeborn

Double.

My bad.

Go to be about the tenth this week for some reason.

originally posted by: bastion
Yeah it's not a left vs right thing it's basic UK law with court cases and even the Conservative party whip has suspended the MP in question until the investigation is concluded. We're not the US - It would be contempt of court for the press to try and put this as a political issue or use any loaded language.

Nah. The media names suspects all the time when it wants to.

Thing is the UK mass media is almost entirely in bed with the Conservative party. Bodger's using the NI Protocol as the latest dead cat and doesn't need more bad press.

I wonder what the people of Romford think?

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

He hasn't been charged yet, he's been released on bail pending further enquiries.
If he gets charged then yes, he should be named. In fact I'm almost certain he would be.....but until then?

I don't think the media are allowed to name people who haven't been charged yet.

a reply to: Freeborn

It will be Police bail then as opposed to court bail, unless it's different down South.

Generally, that means they will be making further inquiries or gathering evidence and statements.

a reply to: andy06shake

As far as I'm aware that's right.

Carpy will be able to correct us if we're wrong.

originally posted by: StoutBroux
It's pretty bad when you have to start identifying the accused by their political party. Just more score keeping I guess. So then, what IS the score between the two main political parties by the way?

Well, they are the party in Govt so it is pretty relevant.

a reply to: andy06shake

He has not yet been charged but if he is it will be made public. He will have to appear in Court.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Thing is the UK mass media is almost entirely in bed with the Conservative party.

Yet all we hear about from Tory supporters are accusations of left-wing bias in MSM.

a reply to: Freeborn

The media are and do. They're just very selective.

CORRECTION: Supreme Court ruling three months ago. You're right and I'm wrong.