Adam And Eve part 2

Ok so what really happened in the garden of Eden, why were we there, well the truth is quite astonishing. We are divine spirits, we belong to the original, our design was purposeful, our creator is a creation by the original but does not belong to the original like we do.
The life our creator breathed into us belonged to the original and so we are the original too.

When our creator realised that we too are the original "more than Him" He tried to take back what He had given us, but it's impossible. Our original true design is neither male or female rather both, our creator split Adam into the two sexes to weaken us, make us easier to control.

The garden of Eden was created to trap us, because we are the original we can manifest reality through thought and so to focus that manifestation on our creator was the plan, paradise as a distraction to worship one God. We are not material beings but the tree of life is all that is material in the material realm, the tree of knowledge of good and evil is spiritual, an awakening to death, hardship, strife but a path back to your true home.

The Morning Star who is also the original woke up Eve and She in turn woke Adam.

So your saying Adam and Eve were the original Woke?

originally posted by: Munkh
So your saying Adam and Eve were the original Woke?

To be woke you have to be genetically either of the sexes first, Adam was both to begin with, but I get what your saying.

Just trying to RIB you a little lol

originally posted by: Munkh
Just trying to RIB you a little lol

No worries

a reply to: Smigg

"The truth"? Are you asserting theological theory or personal opinion, and could you please cite your sources? This OP smacks of the erroneous and heretical Gnostic teachings. Interesting viewpoint, and thanks for sharing, but hard pass for me.

a reply to: Smigg

So what?
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be inside us, whoever accepts Jesus, that those who accept Jesus are inside of Him and that Jesus is inside of God
It’s in the bible, one with God, it’s very clear

The garden wasn’t created to trap humanity, it was created to protect, a safe place to grow up
You are not wrong in principle, just completely wrong in your narrative
God created humanity for relationship and love, the pericoretic dance

The path back to our true home is not a tree, it is and always was Jesus

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Smigg

So what?
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be inside us, whoever accepts Jesus, that those who accept Jesus are inside of Him and that Jesus is inside of God
It’s in the bible, one with God, it’s very clear

The garden wasn’t created to trap humanity, it was created to protect, a safe place to grow up
You are not wrong in principle, just completely wrong in your narrative
God created humanity for relationship and love, the pericoretic dance

The path back to our true home is not a tree, it is and always was Jesus

Christ wanted you to know that the holy spirit is already inside of you and if you believe in Him you will know this to be true, and if you know this to be true then and only then can you return to your Heavenly Farther, this is what He taught Eve in the Garden of Eden, and Eve saw that it was truth.

If our creator was also our designer He would not have given us the ability to know good and evil because as you say for our own good, but that then would mean we are for one purpose only and that would be to worship our creator, to rule over the universe with Him would require the knowledge of good and evil. Christ taught that we are like Him, a part of the original and the original created everything.

The tree is an image of truth, today we eat from the tree of life, the tree of life to a fish would be the fish tricked into believing it belongs on land unaware that it should be in the ocean.

Because we are pure like the original "God is in us" we must completely separate ourselves from this material world "realm" and all it has to offer, if you understand that this realm is a sin then you know you are a sinner and then how not to be a sinner, then your sins are forgiven and you can enter Heaven.

a reply to: Smigg

The Morning star is Venus, bringer of the dawn. en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Smigg

So what?
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be inside us, whoever accepts Jesus, that those who accept Jesus are inside of Him and that Jesus is inside of God
It’s in the bible, one with God, it’s very clear

The garden wasn’t created to trap humanity, it was created to protect, a safe place to grow up
You are not wrong in principle, just completely wrong in your narrative
God created humanity for relationship and love, the pericoretic dance

The path back to our true home is not a tree, it is and always was Jesus

Christ wanted you to know that the holy spirit is already inside of you and if you believe in Him you will know this to be true, and if you know this to be true then and only then can you return to your Heavenly Farther, this is what He taught Eve in the Garden of Eden, and Eve saw that it was truth.

If our creator was also our designer He would not have given us the ability to know good and evil because as you say for our own good, but that then would mean we are for one purpose only and that would be to worship our creator, to rule over the universe with Him would require the knowledge of good and evil. Christ taught that we are like Him, a part of the original and the original created everything.

The tree is an image of truth, today we eat from the tree of life, the tree of life to a fish would be the fish tricked into believing it belongs on land unaware that it should be in the ocean.

Because we are pure like the original "God is in us" we must completely separate ourselves from this material world "realm" and all it has to offer, if you understand that this realm is a sin then you know you are a sinner and then how not to be a sinner, then your sins are forgiven and you can enter Heaven.

Yeah well, that may be your opinion, what you base that on is anyone’s guess so far

We are both physical and spiritual, give up your material life and you will die. We can’t separate ourselves from this material world, Jesus does, slowly, in His time.

The tree of life is in the Garden, not here. Humanity dies, that’s obvious

And the Holy Spirit, can only gain access if invited

a reply to: Smigg

The bible says we receive the spirit once we have believed, it very clear in scripture... So my question is why should I believe you over scripture??? Did you receive special revelation from God, and therefore you're to override scripture???

originally posted by: ThyJudgeCometh
a reply to: Smigg

The bible says we receive the spirit once we have believed, it very clear in scripture... So my question is why should I believe you over scripture??? Did you receive special revelation from God, and therefore you're to override scripture???

You don't receive something you already have, it's connection, you have to understand who and what you are then you connect back with God because you are of God like Christ, that was Christ's message hidden in scripture.
Christ has been given the Earth, He's taking over from our creator.

Our Heavenly Farther is a gentle Peaceful and loving God, He would never ask us to kill in His name, take slaves or encourage material possession as written in the Old Testament. If a house is built on sin and you grow in that house then the house is in you, if you then come to know the house is a lie and remove it from within you and leave that house then you can reconnect with God and enter Heaven, no man has ever entered Heaven.
There is a fight taking place between the old and the new, between good and evil.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Smigg

So what?
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be inside us, whoever accepts Jesus, that those who accept Jesus are inside of Him and that Jesus is inside of God
It’s in the bible, one with God, it’s very clear

The garden wasn’t created to trap humanity, it was created to protect, a safe place to grow up
You are not wrong in principle, just completely wrong in your narrative
God created humanity for relationship and love, the pericoretic dance

The path back to our true home is not a tree, it is and always was Jesus

Christ wanted you to know that the holy spirit is already inside of you and if you believe in Him you will know this to be true, and if you know this to be true then and only then can you return to your Heavenly Farther, this is what He taught Eve in the Garden of Eden, and Eve saw that it was truth.

If our creator was also our designer He would not have given us the ability to know good and evil because as you say for our own good, but that then would mean we are for one purpose only and that would be to worship our creator, to rule over the universe with Him would require the knowledge of good and evil. Christ taught that we are like Him, a part of the original and the original created everything.

The tree is an image of truth, today we eat from the tree of life, the tree of life to a fish would be the fish tricked into believing it belongs on land unaware that it should be in the ocean.

Because we are pure like the original "God is in us" we must completely separate ourselves from this material world "realm" and all it has to offer, if you understand that this realm is a sin then you know you are a sinner and then how not to be a sinner, then your sins are forgiven and you can enter Heaven.

We are both physical and spiritual, give up your material life and you will die. We can’t separate ourselves from this material world, Jesus does, slowly, in His time.

The tree of life is in the Garden, not here. Humanity dies, that’s obvious

And the Holy Spirit, can only gain access if invited

Our true existence is spiritual not material, the material dominates our existence when in fact it should be the spiritual and we should dominate the material. Christ is not from our realm He is the original, only through Him can we return to the original.

When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life in the Garden of Eden they were immortal, ignorant of themselves but immortal, when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they became aware of themselves and realised they were naked, not actually naked, aware that they had been living an existence that was beneath them. When our creator realised this he threw them out of the garden because Adam and Eve could never go back to their state of ignorance, growth had taken place, a realisation of what the garden was, only in ignorance can we return there.

a reply to: Smigg

Well friend, that's not what scripture says... Scripture says we are spiritually dead.... Period...

I could really care less what you feel is "hidden" in scripture, especially when what you are claiming is hidden is at dissonance with what it actually says...

originally posted by: DreadKnock
a reply to: Smigg

"The truth"? Are you asserting fact or opinion, and could you please cite your sources? This OP smacks of the erroneous and heretical Gnostic teachings. Interesting viewpoint, and thanks for sharing, but hard pass for me.

It's not something that can be sourced, the only way to explain it is if you truly want to know what the truth is, truly in your heart, then when you know it you will feel it in your heart, your being.

originally posted by: ThyJudgeCometh
a reply to: Smigg

Well friend, that's not what scripture says... Scripture says we are spiritually dead.... Period...

I could really care less what you feel is "hidden" in scripture, especially when what you are claiming is hidden is at dissonance with what it actually says...

This post will be only for a few such was my intention.

a reply to: Smigg

Where is Christ given the earth?
Satan has dominion over the earth, it offered the earth to Jesus after Christ’s 40 days of fasting
You can’t just make stuff up, just say stuff and base it on nothing but your opinion
Well you can but it’s easily dismissed

Our Father is peaceful, loving but also just and justice means righteous retribution. It’s not a sin for God to judge and punish
Gnosticism, as suggested previously

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Smigg

Where is Christ given the earth?
Satan has dominion over the earth, it offered the earth to Jesus after Christ’s 40 days of fasting
You can’t just make stuff up, just say stuff and base it on nothing but your opinion
Well you can but it’s easily dismissed

Our Father is peaceful, loving but also just and justice means righteous retribution. It’s not a sin for God to judge and punish
Gnosticism, as suggested previously

“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18–20, ESV).

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (Corinthians 4:4) yes our creator and the creator of this world had dominion and is still blindly worshiped.

To be forgiven for your sins you have to know you are naked, and to know that you must know yourself.

We are a two thousand year old generation that's coming to an end and from this generation only a select few will reign with Christ upon His return, this is because only a few will know the truth to be true, Christ called His Church a “little flock,” because He knew that it would always be such in this age. He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father” (John 6:65). The time will come when the world will “be full of the knowledge of the Lord” and all can be drawn to the Father, but for as long as “Satan, who deceives the whole world” is “the god of this age” this cannot happen (Revelation 12:9; 2 Corinthians 4:4). Christ is speaking about this age, our creator still rules because we allow him to, the masses of this generation still worship our creator, it's the world we live in today and is why the truth has been hidden and only realised by a few. On Earth today billions worship Christ but by His own words only a few will make it to the Farther.

a reply to: Smigg

Yeah, but I am reading that as Jesus has authority for making disciples. If He has all authority, it’s not being used at the moment. We await His return because the world is a mess

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Smigg

Yeah, but I am reading that as Jesus has authority for making disciples. If He has all authority, it’s not being used at the moment. We await His return because the world is a mess

Christ gave his disciples authority to feed the world with the truth, His truth. The world is a mess because His truth has been hidden by forces who still worship our creator. Truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men [men who were upright and in right standing with God] yearned to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. Satan's only grip on this world is through us, we still enable him.