Originally posted by David
FM, you really set yourself up on this one, not only are the woman going to tear you apart, but most men will too.

*waiting for Gryffen to appear*

Originally posted by rahboni
Dude...

you're askin for it....

Originally posted by FreeMason
Odd I've yet to see anyone address anything but opinions.

And Dragonrider's usual "Well women can shoot" obviously dragonrider you know nothing of Military Science.

As for everyone else...just opinions.

What's the percent of women that can throw a grenade far enough to not take shrapnel? (You could answer this if you looked at the reports).

What's the percent of women who can lift more than the lowest lifting ability of the average man in the NAVY? (you could answer that).

There are more factors than "Women CAN do it".

Sure they CAN do it...they are not GOOD at it, besides the whole Chivalric code of keeping women FROM harm, women shouldn't be there because the MAJORITY of them can't handle it.

Dragonrider again you fail to note....the standards for being in the military have gone down...CONSIDERABLY.

And this isn't Flame bait if no one wants to flame, but I suppose I can see how it can be, there is plenty of evidence supporting my argument, and a bunch of useless opinions against my argument.

Again I am not so much against women in the logistical aspects though personally I see no point in them being there either.

It's in the combat positions they should not be in.

I'll close for the short of memory, with, how about presenting evidence that all women can equally fight as the men can.

You'll find the number more around 7%...

*Laughs at DR*...gosh, you asked me once, what my extent of "combat experience was" but obviously it's more than yours because I atleast know how a war is fought.

Mr...."Sniper".

Originally posted by dragonrider
Women not in combat???

Hmm...

Guess you didnt hear about the female Russian snipers that cut the Germans to shreds in the battle for Stalingrad?

Objectionable, I can equally argue that it was not the female snipers, of which there were so FEW, it was the SAW automatic rifle.

Guess you never heard of the female Israeli battalions that fought the Egyptians and Jordanians to a standstill during the 6 Day War? (Using FALs against Soviet T-56 tanks?)

Guess I haven't, because a T-56's armor protects it from about an 80mm round....pathetic by the 6 Day war.

Guess you never heard of the female Croatian counter-snipers that leveled the field against the Serb snipers who routinely killed large numbers of unarmed civilians?

Again with snipers. 1) Objectionable...who says they actually did ANYTHING to circumvent the enemy snipers, you seem to think two things, that there were ONLY women snipers, and that there were no other conventional methods of combat that got them. I.E. mortars.

Guess you never head of the first British female paratrooper to complete SAS training and go on active duty with the SAS?

miss read this one: Still though one exception which I'll agree there are probably thousands of exceptions. But the SAS is not the mainstain of the combat force. Dragonrider, when will you learn clandestine and sniper warfare is about 15% of the combat effectiveness of a military.

Originally posted by FreeMason
Objectionable, I can equally argue that it was not the female snipers, of which there were so FEW, it was the SAW automatic rifle.

Originally posted by FreeMason
Critiques in Bold

Originally posted by dragonrider
Women not in combat???

Hmm...

Guess you didnt hear about the female Russian snipers that cut the Germans to shreds in the battle for Stalingrad?

Objectionable, I can equally argue that it was not the female snipers, of which there were so FEW, it was the SAW automatic rifle.

There was NO SAW in WWII... The best there was was the German MG-42 or the US M-1928 BAR, neither of which were in use by Russian forces... please get your history and your weapons right. Guess that shows your credibility on that subject...

Guess you never heard of the female Israeli battalions that fought the Egyptians and Jordanians to a standstill during the 6 Day War? (Using FALs against Soviet T-56 tanks?)

Guess I haven't, because a T-56's armor protects it from about an 80mm round....pathetic by the 6 Day war.

You are obviously missing the very ingenious tank traps that the female battalions erected to take out tank treads, set them on fire ect... dont remember that being in your "how to be a war hero" thread

Guess you never heard of the female Croatian counter-snipers that leveled the field against the Serb snipers who routinely killed large numbers of unarmed civilians?

Again with snipers. 1) Objectionable...who says they actually did ANYTHING to circumvent the enemy snipers, you seem to think two things, that there were ONLY women snipers, and that there were no other conventional methods of combat that got them. I.E. mortars.

The female Croat snipers are very well documented as well as thier effect on the civilian casualty rate... also the Croats had very little in the way of field artillery or other advanced weapons... so yes, it did come down to sniper duels

Guess you never head of the first British female paratrooper to complete SAS training and go on active duty with the SAS?

Odd they must train with their own gender. Question, can't they keep up with the men?

Actually, she DID train with the men, and was given NO special considerations. And according to reports, she skunked the men on several stages

Dragonrider, where's your evidence anywhere that a Woman fights a war as well as a man, and is a valuable service to a war?

We won WW2 without Women Snipers, and without Women on the front lines.


The US didnt win the war due to any military genius... we out gunned, out produced the enemy, which was greatly helped by the fact that the Russians had destroyed a significant amount of the German resources

Meanwhile, the Russians lost 400,000 in the battle of stalingrad, the Germans lost 300,000 in that battle, and a little over about a million, if even near that throughout the entire Eastern campaign.

The Russians lost about 3 million through out that campaign, and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt in my head (off the head statistics, don't feel like looking those up yet).

Dragonrider your arguments at best are pathetic, supporting female combatants on the front lines...