Username Weise here at ATS was Minn. Shooter Killer

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JAK

posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In a john titor thread about civil disturbances, waco type events, and the like.


I think its very important that ATS not cover this up. Don't advertise it (or do if you want), but don't put him on global ignore. This kid was pathetic, a loser, a joke, and a vile wasteful murderer. People should be able to see this. And everyone on the board can take some sobering considerations into how 'normal' a poster he apparently is.


No Nygdan, I believe if his posts remain up and word gets about there will be a lot of people attempting access our of morbid curosity.

Ghoulish tourists, that's why serial killers houses are destroyed.

Jack




posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by 00PS
Whoever said the Nazi's got kicked out is wrong I think. There are still whtie supremecists and nazis on this board.


C'mon guys, this is a bad thing but let's not let it get out of hand. A little chill is in order.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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On FOX News TV they just mentioned a website "nazi.org" that he frequented.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
On FOX News TV they just mentioned a website "nazi.org" that he frequented.


Looks like this kid has been active on the net. I'll be searching more into this matter, man talk about self-fullfilling prophecy...



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:17 AM
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Looks like Nazi.org has removed all posts by NativeNazi but this was on the site

www.nazi.org...


AUSTIN, TX (NNN) - The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, on whose messageboard Jeff Weise posted one year before shooting people at his Minnesota high school, today refused to wring hands over a "tragedy," instead pointing out that such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society. According to the LNSG, the school shooting itself is not our failure; society is our failure, and the school shooting is a symptom.

"We knew [Weise] briefly through 34 posts he made on the forum," said LNSGP forum administrator Atem. "He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young." Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike "white nationalist" or "white power" movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society.

Weise most clearly expressed his philosophy in the following statement of frustration with the raceless, cultureless void of liberal industrial society: "The Natives you've known to be sympathetic to the cause are probably ones who've experienced firsthand what kind of problems cultural and race mixing can cause. As a result of cultural dominance and interracial mixing there are barely any full blooded Natives left. Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run rampant. Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly... That is, if we haven't already become too soft from the way this materialistic life-style has made us, and that is why I am pro-Nazi. It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist; people are so misinformed, ignorant, and closed-minded it makes your life a living hell."



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by JAK
Ghoulish tourists, that's why serial killers houses are destroyed.

I have to disagree. A cover up is anti-thetical to the purpose of the site. A disclaimer can be put up stating that ATS doesn't have anything to hide, and that discussion of this person's posts, perhaps out side of RATS, is not permited. Or not permited outside of a 'public thread', so as to prevent peopel from flooding in and trying to get lots of points.

Actually, the new procedures about membership should be helpful now.

You demolish a serial killers house because the gawkers are a public problem. If people want to read this jerk's posts, let them. Let everyone see it.

OOPS, for example, and WorldWatcher, noted that he seemed pretty normal. Thats the scary part. On ATS, this nazi-sympathizing disturbed murderer appears normal. THere are lots of people on board who rant about the government and how 'something has got to be done' or who consider themselves radicals and call for members of this part or that to be rounded up and murdered. Calls for murder aren't a game, and saying 'I'm just speculating/hypothesizing' should be taken as allowing one to say anything.

The ATS community needs to step up and address these kinds of sickenesses when they are displayed.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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Jesus christ, did this kid know for a while what he was going to do?


weise
Right, also expect interviews from Marilyn Manson and Britney Spears, talking about how they were blamed for their negative influence on the American voters.

Hmn...

I might just use that idea some day.

He was well aware of columbine, and apparently emulated the 'trenchcoat mafia' in his attire. MM was 'blamed' for columbine to a degree. Here he makes this reference. How many people here are thinking that he was imaginining what ended up happening in that 'hmm', hmmm?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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wow Nygdan, after reading what Weise posted here, did you really get the impression he was NeoNazi or whatever you want to label him?

I don't think so, he may have expressed that side of him on other message boards, but he didn't do so here in my opinion.

and btw, here's the link to all his post on that green website
www.nazi.org...



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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His posts were under the radar for me. I didn't even notice him or anything potentially unusual.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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Wow.
Man, you just never know.....




Originally posted by Nygdan
The ATS community needs to step up and address these kinds of sickenesses when they are displayed.

How exactly?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:25 AM
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Wow, shocking. My heart goes out to all those affected by this senseless violence.

As for ATS, I am sure we can weather the possible storm. This is a DISCUSSION site and even though I have read some pretty shocking things, they are OPINIONS, nothing more.

I'm sure there are Thought Police scouring all the sites he went to and ATS has absolutely nothing to worry about.


Peace out people, if you ever feel like you need to talk to anyone about anything of this nature, seek professional help or find someone you can talk to.

And if you don't want to do any of these, then U2U me, I will try to help out in any way I can.


Jako



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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this imo is the only questionable thread to suggest his nazi feelings, but he didn't seem to be pushing or stressing that he was a hitler admirer in this thread
National Socialism and the Muslim-SS


btw Admin, have you considered releasing a similar statement as the other site has done and perhaps creating a thread with all of Weise's post too?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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There are so many bizarre posts here, it would impossible to correctly divine which reveal an underlying sinister personality capable of something like this and which are just silly or a little nutty.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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This is really sad, I remember reading his despair in the owl post, and I tried to give him a positive thought in his questions. I certainly senced something was wrong with him in this post- I wish now I could have said more. This should not be covered or hid, this should be a major wake up call for everyone.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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This is messed RIGHT the # up. I don't expect a positive crowd to be trying to join ATS at this point, and it's going to do some damage when people find out. But....wow. Just wow.

DE



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:49 AM
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The shooting that just happened? WOW that is crazy, good heads up moving this, I can see it now.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 12:02 PM
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They just said on the news that the same thing that was posted here was posted on a Nazi site.

It wasnt this site that they are talking about is it? That would be some propaganda bull-#.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 12:03 PM
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I think they were talking about Nazi.org. The "green" National socialist forum.....

[edit on 22-3-2005 by sardion2000]



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
wow Nygdan, after reading what Weise posted here, did you really get the impression he was NeoNazi or whatever you want to label him?

You yourself posted a notice about him being unnaturally concerned with race mixing. And i did not 'label' him, tho perhaps if people were less afriad of 'labels' this psychotic little turd would've been put into a proper mental health facility, rather than being encouraged to use st johns wort instead of pharmaceuticals, to work with guns because of john titors civil war, and to go out chasing bigfoot and frogmen in the woods.


I don't think so, he may have expressed that side of him on other message boards, but he didn't do so here in my opinion.

He certainly expressed something like admiration and had an obvious fascination with the nazis.


and btw, here's the link to all his post on that green website
www.nazi.org...

Excellent, thanks. I find this case extremely interesting. I hope some pyscho-analysts and sociologists get a chanceto look at the record and the interactions. How often does anyone have this kind of information, no?


thatsjustweird

By not denigrating proven anti-psychotic medicines. By not thinking that because a person has hallucinations and paranoid fantasies that they're in contact with some 'magical realm' of dwarves spirits. By not instantly insisting that there is no such thing as 'mental health problems', and by telling people who outright fantasize about killing people and fighting wars that 'that is a bad thing'.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by sardion2000
I think they were talking about Nazi.org. The "green" National socialist forum.....

[edit on 22-3-2005 by sardion2000]


I see, thanks, I hadnt heard a name of the site, just that it was a nazi site.





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