Pyramids have a technology mismatch.

Recent footage from inside the Bent Pyramid shows the Pyramid has a huge, very tall, hollow core based on gradual corbelled roofing.

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Yet, the reason for the "Bent" part is that the builders who were putting the outer casing stones on it found that the foundation was starting to crack, and accordingly decided to change the angle, so as to put less weight on the structure below.

If they knew how to corbel, .... then why wouldn't they just make the top part mostly hollow? They could keep the angle.


My hypothesis, for a long time, has been that the core structure was already there when the AE showed up. But it wasn't a pyramid. It didn't have a pyramid shape. It was more of a square building, or maybe a step pyramid with a few stages to it.

"Perfecting" it into a pyramid was a way of claiming it as part of the Pharoah's burial. (It would be his in the afterlife if it were fully buried with him, or some nonsense/woo/magick like that...)



This is even more apparent in the case of Meidum.

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In Meidum there actually is a visible internal structure. The outer casing stonework that converted it from the shape you can see today, into a true pyramid collapsed off of it in antiquity.

The reason being, that the builders didn't dig down the bedrock before they added it. About the most idiotic, foolish, and ignorant, mistake any skilled stone build could ever hope to make. (Unless they weren't skilled stone builders yet.... and didn't know any better....)


So how did they manage to build such a majestic, solid, core building if they were too dumb to know to dig down to bedrock before placing the outer stoneworks?

It's a glaring technology mismatch.


I'm not saying they didn't go on to become skilled stone builders later on. Meidum is believed to be the earliest of the very big pyramid construction projects. Certainly many large temples built at later times carry the hallmark of great stone working.

But Meidum itself would have to have been built from the outside in, rather than the inside out, for both the idiotically constructed outer casing, and the ingeniously constructed inner fortress, to have been made by the same people. Unless their technology and skill diminished prior to finishing it.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I like your theory.

It's reasonable.

Maybe the aliens got tired of trying to teach the stupid humans generation after generation and they left when it was only half done?

I love mysteries like this.

Nice thinking.

The idea of building a church or temple over an existing sacred place is not uncommon. The church did it in many places as they converted the new world.

My Egyptian history is not very scholarly but I remember there was a shift from "old Kingdom" to "new kingdom". I wonder if that could be a candidate for when the additions took place?

I belong to the Ancient artifact preservation society. We have conferences once a year locally, about a hundred people go there, including about fifteen or so speakers who do that kind of research. Met Sam twice from the Bosnian Pyramids and some people from the group went to see the pyramids there. Other speakers make or made documentaries on all sort of ancient structures around the world, traveling to personally see many different ancient sites and many wrote books or own magazines on ancient American culture. Even had a person who searches for ships in the ocean and he has made some profitable discoveries. Another was from that Island off of Canada that they are trying to locate treasure on.

Missed last octobers conference, it was cancelled because of Covid. The wife was bummed, we know some prestigious people from that, and we sit with the speakers, authors, and producers at lunch. It is a fun time and the whole trip including both our memberships and the motel and food costs eight hundred bucks for the three day conference for both of us. Plus it is in a tribal casino, so there is some stuff going on after the conference ends.

It is only around sixty miles from our house too, and interesting as hell to hear about all the stuff. Even had a guy who'e from a long line of Masons come speak, he does conferences all over and has written some books, his father was a high level mason and his grandfather was a leader in England of the masons for a while.

We also had an expert speaker on Sasquash one time, everyone thought he was going to be a nut job. But he wasn't. He is recognized as an expert on this animal by an agency of the government, it is supposed to be extinct since the forties, but DNA has been found that match the stuffed ones the Germans hunted into extinction in Europe during Hitlers reign. A member of the ape family that walks upright. Kind of interesting. I have to agree with him on one thing, people have to think that they do not really exist or they will quickly be brought to extinction by trophy hunters. The vast majority of sightings are fabricated or just bears according to him and only a few areas in North America have a few of these creatures left, and their areas are owned by both the Canadian and US government and are protected from hunting.

So, I will say this guy is a nut job just so people let the few remaining of this species survive for a while longer.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

My hypothesis, for a long time, has been that the core structure was already there when the AE showed up.

The two angles of the bent pyramid 54 degrees and 43 degrees indicate they chose to divide their circle by 360 rather than use the 73 prime for this.
The usual explanation is that the year was about 360 days long as experienced by a lay person.

The Epic of Gilgamesh was probably a redux of the AE pyramid math (cool hand Luke met a couple prostitutes).
There is a cognitive mismatch due to our modern calculus not being invented till Sir Isaac Newton.
The flowers on the beach in Goeth's Elf King post Newton may have been inspired by Da Vinci and the pre calculus proof of the shells at Lombardy.
The rope in the transmission of Davinci's flying machine is assumed (Cool hand Luke ate his eggs big endian).
The invisible corner of the memorial triangle where flight 111 crashed south of Nova Scotia is also 54 degrees.
Maybe all this is just coincidence though?

You don't have to reply that this makes no sense to you, we have to feed Jake organic cage free eggs according to his lawyer.

a reply to: Slichter

While 54 is a divider of 360 (they both add up to 9 if you add the individual numbers) what does 43 have to do with anything?

I remember watching a short doc about a couple of guys who investigated the bent pyramid and they concluded that it was deliberately built that way. They had a convincing argument but I can’t remember what it was. Doh

Please elaborate Jake needs to know, I’m not yoking.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Another cool thread, thanks for this and you make some fantastic point's, often the Egyptians did indeed re-use older structures often even erasing the names of older rulers to claim they were the work of which ever pharaoh was ruling at the time, they were even known to have once moved there entire capital stone by stone from one location to another when the river dried up but those stones and statues though huge were nothing compared to those within the pyramid's.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Well no it's not a mismatch.

Secondly, the inner step pyramids had been designed as the final stage. Thus, the outer surface was polished and the platforms of the steps were not horizontal, but fell off to the outside. This severely compromised the stability and is likely to have caused the collapse of the Meidum Pyramid in a downpour while the building was still under construction.

From your wiki link

So the first architect knew what he was doing and the second one most likely got beheaded ...
But it's just a normal learning curve, I think.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Its a chicken and the egg thing but probably the 360 was already decided before they broke ground
They would have determined the two tropics first since those were set 47 degrees apart.
I suspect they were better at math back then so thinking in base 47 was easier.
54 * 5 is 270 degrees due west so that fits with the GPS idea for the bent Pyramid.
The 43 might have been what was left after subtracting 11 from 54.
11 is elf in German.

So if its a GPS marker you might ask why did they build this near the 30 degree latitude line?
There are about 12.36 lunar cycles in a year and 360 degrees divided by 12 is 30 degrees so they might have expected people to adopt an explanation based on 12. The Great pyramid 12 miles to the north is centered at 29.97+++ degrees north.

Speed of light travels at 2997+++++ meters per second which seems like a coincidence until you read John 21 in the bible.

Maybe they were just really proud of their math and astronomy?

The 29.97 degrees thing is so frustratingly close to making sense, and fitting, that you just start wanting it to.

A meter's original definition was one millionth the distance from the Equator to the North Pole (and I think that ends up being slightly inaccurate). But trying to convert that into degrees just messes everything up. And it ends up not matching again.


I can't seem to find the connection in John 21, though. It would be interesting, because even if you don't believe in Xianity, quite a lot of ancient lore made it into the bible.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Well no it's not a mismatch.

Secondly, the inner step pyramids had been designed as the final stage. Thus, the outer surface was polished and the platforms of the steps were not horizontal, but fell off to the outside. This severely compromised the stability and is likely to have caused the collapse of the Meidum Pyramid in a downpour while the building was still under construction.

From your wiki link

So the first architect knew what he was doing and the second one most likely got beheaded ...
But it's just a normal learning curve, I think.

There is that, but the part that has me interested is the "Firstly" part just prior to that one:

Firstly, the outer layer was founded on sand and not on rock, like the inner layers.[3]

That's just too much for me to be expected to believe.

A skilled stone builder wouldn't found any part of the building on sand instead of rock.

In that culture, the most likely successor to a skilled person would be that person's son, or at least one of his assistants. A random guy would only take over if the original guy had somehow disgraced himself, or there was a huge change in leadership.

So we'd need a reason why he never communicated anything he knew to the people he worked with. (Which begs the question: where did he learn masonry from?)

In general, the question is: how did the AE had built the interior at all if they were too ignorant of the principles of basic architecture to see the value of digging to bedrock.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Only part of the math from the pyramids made it into the Bible.
Dieter Binninger the German clock maker who was said to know the truth about the CIA Kryptos puzzle died with his son in a plane crash near the bakery in Helmstedt Germany.
Like in the movie the exorcist, an entrance not for everybody.