posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Seapeople
Trust me rapheal,
I may not be an expert in the field, but I am aware of precisely the issues that you are bringing up when you refer to quantum mechanics. However,
you are failing to mention, that though dualities are represented in quantum mechanics, that is only for statistical purposes.
Quantum mechanics has much base in statistical probability. In no way does it refute anything that I have said. There are issues that have yet to be
explained in QM. I won't try discussing them on a religon forum because god knows he didn't make the base of these people smart enough to
understand algebra, let alone concepts of statistics, probability, calculous, ect.
Science does not exist simply for "statistical purposes". Science whether it be theoretical or applied has one purpose-- to describe that which
I agree there is no need to address QM in detail. However, if one is to bring science into a theological debate, one should be willing to at least
consider that science could be used to describe God. Unfortunately our system of mathematics does not handle the infinite very well. But does that
mean that God as an omnipotent, infinite being does not exist or does it mean that man at this stage of development has yet to discover the
mathematics/sciences which allows all pieces of the puzzle to fall into a proper perspective?
To address your point. Part, if not the whole of your argument was that an omnipotent being would not be bound to our laws. Our laws of
science. Now, I STRONGLY disagree with you when it comes to this. I do not believe by any means that a god could circumvent basic math. I will
leave that alone however.
You err. You assume the "laws of science" exclude that which I described. In reality it is only those laws which we understand which exclude the
possibility. 1000 years ago, the known laws of science excluded the possibility of tons of steel flying through the air. Today, that is a common
occurance. 1000 years from know one can only guess what "our laws of science" will allow.
You see, even if an omnipotent god was not bound by our laws, WE ARE. We can experience nothing that stands outside those laws either partly,
or fully. In no way would we as humans be able to experience an omnipotent god. In no way would that same omnipotent god be able to interact with
our environment in a observable way.
1000 years ago, man experienced sunlight warming his face even though his laws of science knew nothing of photons transferring energy. By your logic,
he could not experience that which could not be quantified by the knowledge of science of his time. Ergo, he could not experience sunlight warming his
And, since you seem to be educated, you may be able to understand the point we are trying to make in this thread. You may be christians, and
therefore refuse to accept it, but I believe that unlike the majority of people attacking this idea, you are actually smart enough to
Understand? Sure I do. I simply do not agree with your conclusions.
As they stand now, your arguments are weak. They are the same arguments made 100 years before many worlds quantum theory. The science of the 1800's
is holding you back.
As I stated, many worlds QT does hold the perspective for understanding how an omnipotent being and free will can co-exist. If you are not willing to
form a proper hypothesis and consider how the theory could apply to the question, that is your choice. If you do not believe that Many worlds is a
valid theory that too is your choice.