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originally posted by: abeverage
What exactly am I exonerating them from? Can you point out to me the atrocities, death, destruction, murders, wars and mayhem under their name they are responsible for? I kinda think the only one I can for sure say is responsible for telling mankind to do such things is the god of the old testament.
By all means enlighten me to instances attributed to those you name. If they were is it my place to judge them or forgive them?
originally posted by: Never Despise
It is interesting how much emphasis people put on forgiveness.
OK, now what?
Bad behavior with lasting repercussions has still taken place; the injured party still is injured
messes meanwhile still need cleaning up; healing is slow. What exactly has been transformed by "saying the magic words?"
originally posted by: iammrhappy86
God's greatest gift to us is our greatest curse.
What is the greatest gift that God has ever given us?
The Bible says: “God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son.”—John 3:16.
This issue of The Watchtower discusses why God sent Jesus to earth to die for us and how we can show appreciation for that gift.
... —Mic. 7:18; Ex. 34:6, 7; Ps. 103:2, 3.
But we should not conclude from such scriptures that God so delights in mercy that he is ready to forgive all sins, regardless of their nature. Why not? Because Jehovah is a God not only of love but also of wisdom and justice. For him to forgive all sins would be neither wise nor just, and God’s laws are precisely that, so that there may be peace and order in his universe.
For God to forgive all sins would be for him to encourage sinning. In fact, it would make his laws futile, meaningless, useless. How so? For example, if all who violated traffic laws were graciously forgiven, why bother making any such laws?
Jehovah God made man a free moral agent; that is, he made him with the ability to distinguish between doing what is right by obeying God’s law and doing what is wrong by disobeying it, and doing either thing with the freedom to choose. However, with the freedom of choice also went accountability for one’s actions. That is why, when Jehovah God spoke to Moses about His great loving-kindness and His willingness to forgive, He went on to say, “but by no means will he give exemption from punishment.” Jehovah, however, was not here referring to the punishment of eternal destruction.—Ex. 34:7.
Yet, the apostle John states that there are sins that “incur death,” that is, that do merit eternal destruction, and that it would be futile for others to pray for the forgiveness of such sins. (1 John 5:16, 17) What governs whether a certain sin is forgivable or not? Its nature and circumstances. Among the sins that Jehovah undoubtedly did not forgive were those of Adam and Eve. As a test of their appreciation God gave them a simple command; they were not to eat of the fruit of a certain tree; and he warned them of the consequences if they did eat of it. They were created perfect in mind and in body. They willfully and deliberately disobeyed. They could neither plead ignorance, as later the apostle Paul was able to do, nor claim inherited imperfection and the tendency to sin, as King David was able to do. So what basis was there for forgiving Adam and Eve’s sins? Absolutely none!
No doubt one of the most notorious examples of an unforgivable sin was that committed by Judas Iscariot. Judas had accompanied Jesus for two or more years, had heard Jesus’ teaching, saw him perform miracles, and knew that Jesus was the Son of God. He also must have noted that the entire band of evangelizers were sincere, honest, unselfish. Yet in the face of all of this Judas was a hypocrite, a willful and deliberate thief. And he betrayed Jesus not merely out of greed but out of spite, because Jesus approved of His being anointed with costly ointment. He was chagrined because this use of the money for ointment deprived him of another opportunity to steal, as he was the treasurer for the group of Jesus’ disciples. Having so hardened his heart, he had gone too far to express any regret to God, too far to make any request for divine forgiveness. For these reasons Jesus referred to him as the “son of destruction.”—Matt. 26:6-16; John 12:1-8; 17:12.
It's up to God to forgive those sorts of beings. Not you or I.
originally posted by: teapot
When the darkside sees forgiveness, it hears permission to do it again.
So, forgive as you will. Such an act may wash your own heart free of bitterness but forgiveness will never cleanse the heart of the transgressor.