Fake news and Media outlets

Fake news is an often used phrase around here, when referencing the MSM. I'm curious now that OANN had a Russian nationlist who writes for Sputnik peddle the baseless conspiracy theory about the 75 year old protester and we have Fox news photoshopping images.

Should all news media be claimed as fake? Any changes in opinions?

Fox News published digitally altered and misleading photos on stories about Seattle’s Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) in what photojournalism experts called a clear violation of ethical standards for news organizations.

Seattle Times

It depends on your definition of "fake".

The reality is that almost all news is at least twisted/sensationalized to some degree. There's always another side to the story. It's not just Fox or CNN.

How does the media stay in business? By getting people fired up, getting their attention, manipulating their emotions, and controlling them. It's your choice to rise above it, but the media takes advantage of the fact that most people all think with the same brain.

Once in a while there will be a true story that simply reports what happens. But that is happening less and less frequently.

I've stopped reading or watching the news for the most part. It all smells like horse puckey to me.

a reply to: frogs453

Fox News also apologized last week for showing graphs of how the U.S. Stock Market rises after every significant riot, since the Rodney King incident.

Wasn't fake, but in poor taste, I guess. What's "news" is now subjective.

Any outlet that lasts must be playing by "their rules", no?

a reply to: frogs453

originally posted by: hombero
Any outlet that lasts must be playing by "their rules", no?

a reply to: frogs453

It's not NEWS, It's a corporate enterprise to make a profit. The profit comes form advertising.

Watch, buy, consume. Get with the program!!

a reply to: frogs453

I think we all should be more discriminatory in evaluating the streams of information that besiege us. The digital technology has advanced, while continuing to advance even further, to the point where it can be deceiving to even the most discriminating among us.

Myself, I pay little attention to what others say about Trump or Biden or whoever and try to base my judgement on what I can actually see for myself in videos. And even then I realize that that technology is soon going to be able to, if it has not already, present a totally fake video that only appears to be real.

I suppose there will be those of us who continue to just go off half cocked from whatever is presented to us and thus be of the ''manipulated'' crowds. But hopefully there will be enough of us who have learned to sit back a moment or two and consider just how ''fake'' what we are seeing can be.

These are not just ''interesting times'' 'but extremely ''existential'' times as well.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Interesting you mentioned it. My youngest recently did a paper for school regarding Deep Fakes, the technology that does allow video to be manipulated in such a way that it will appear the actual person is making a statement or whatever but is completely fake. I would imagine the government has this technology in a format the rest of everyone hasn't caught up to yet.

a reply to: frogs453

The art of manipulation is not nor has ever been limited to government. Advertising to not only promote a product but to create a desire FOR that product has been around for a century and more.

So yea, the government likely has this technology but beyond that I think that it was and is being developed by private industry. We know that government R+D has long been ''shopped out'' to private development. So this technology is likely to be in the hands of those who have been developing as well.

In a stable time period, you'd be right.
They've chosen to destabilize at this point.
It's much bigger than advertising profits.

I've got my suspicions, but you get called hitler for bring it to attention.
Same people, same bankers.

There's some reset bs going on worldwide.

The alarming thing that folks should be thinking about is the amount of power they have given our elected officials. By ruining their own reputations, the peoples way of holding elected officials accountable has been largely lost on the right or left.

The boy who cried wolf applies. Trump could actually shoot someone in the street and no one would believe because for the last 5 years they have vomited bs 24/7 and not even people aligned right or left believes their choice of media anymore.

Not saying Trump would do something horrible or hasn't done something horrible but how would we the people ever know.

If he hasn't will the next president or the last 3 presidents before Trump. It's only a matter of time before we elect someone that will toss democracy out with the bathwater and hijack the country. Who is gonna hold em accountable when we dont or cant believe the media.

Think about the 2016 elections and all the crazy that happened with Obama, Hillary, RNC, DNC the justice dept, FBI, CIA admit it or not you cant say with a straight face we werent toying with the line above.

Or even as far back as all the 9/11 conspiracies and Bush's nation building endless wars.

From what I've observed, what "fake" means is that they don't tell the whole story, or don't even report on important stories at all.
I watch both CNN and Fox...throw in some MSNBC occasionally. When doing so, it's plain to see each side's bias.
I encourage everyone to do the same in order to hear both sides of arguments.

It is incredibley difficult to get objective news.

I think I'm in a minority that seeks objective truth and data to make my choices and I am aware that I have biases.

I try to challenge myself Im reading both left wing, centrist , and right wing media sources to see the differences in how each one will frame their stories.

One thing that is apparent to me is there is definitely a right and left echo chamber.

On facebook I have a lot of liberal friends but Im finding it challenging to talk to them because they are caught up in high fiving themselves over orange man bad and recycling MSNBC and CNN articles which definitely democratic propaganda at this point. They do not challenge themselves by watching fox news reading bright bart or media from their political Opposition.

I see a similar right wing echo chamber here on ATS..even though there is a lot of right wing bias in those media circles I got to say for the time being the more Conservative media right wing media Is closer to the truth at this point. However let me make it clear it is very biased and suports a lot of natratives to appeal to those who consume it.

From what I can observe from the more liberal orientated people in their echo chambers. And this is me just being objective and not emotionally invested they are going to be in for a rude awaking in 2020 barring that the democrats cheat Trump and the republicans are going to win back the house and the election. From a gambling standpoint I would back the republicans at this point regardless of personal feelings towards the party or Donald Trump. Looking at most of the posts of Liberal friends they on FB they are completely blind to this because they are recycling media that favors them and not seeking out objective data. Most of the public and average people are pissed at the rioting even democratic moderates are jumping from the party yet the people who are still in these Echo chambers that recycle left wing media that supports there narrative are completely oblivious to it.

Im aware that there is also a right wing echo chamber and that it is biased but looking at it objectively there is a very good chance that their side will win in the upcoming election despite the majority of the media having a bias towards the democratic party.

a reply to: SolAquarius

Will Fox continue to support trump? The Murdoch family will support their corporate interest. It's all about the money and the GOPs fate hangs in the balance.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: SolAquarius

Will Fox continue to support trump? The Murdoch family will support their corporate interest. It's all about the money and the GOPs fate hangs in the balance.

I have heard anecdotal stories that Fox News will soon turn on Trump . That's yet to be seen maybe the owners in the company see more to Benfit from a Biden Victory. But these are anecdotal rumors nothing factual to back it up much like the majority of present media LOL.

I think most of what is called "Fake News" is usually real news presented with a slanted bias that someone disagrees with. Biased doesn't necessarily mean inaccurate. What is undoubtedly true is that many media outlets purposefully omit certain details and combine strong, emotional language with carefully selected imagery to sway people's opinions. I think the best thing to do is get your news from wide variety of sources(at least a couple sources outside of your home country) and, if you watch the news on TV, close your eyes and just listen.

The most important thing I want to reiterate is that bias does not outright make a media source fake or illegitimate.

a reply to: frogs453

My favourite example is from a couple of months ago.
A UK newspaper called "The I" had a little article about Paris and how the covid wasn't a problem for the French and they were all sitting outside the cafés and enjoying coffee and smoking in the sunshine, socialising and reading the newspaper without a care in the world.
Just a normal sunny spring with typical hugs and cheek kissing....you know, stereotypical imagery of a Paris that a tourist would expect.

I put you tube on to see if there was anything I fancied watching and there was a livestream from Paris showing a full on riot with smoke/gas, cars on fire and police in full riot gear fighting with yellow vests!!!

People laugh about MK ultra....turns out you don't need drugs or expensive medical stuff to brainwash people. Just TV and print.

Don't trust any of them.

There have been many insightful posts here. Does my heart good and is a reminder of old ATS! Thank you.

I posted this in another thread just now. Seems more relevent in this one...

I have a friend who lives in Seattle.
Here's what she told me.

"There is so much fake news right now."Chaz" is a peaceful thing. There are no riots going on. I'm safe"

I rail on about poor sources and echo chambers all the time, and it really isn't that hard to differentiate between a claim of fact and a statement of opinion/belief.

For example:

Fact (or not): The sun came up at 6:37 AM DST this morning. (Objective)
Opinion/belief: The sunrise was beautfiul this morning. (Subjective)

WIth the fact, it's falsifiable. The opinion?

There's no way to meaure. Even if it were raining.

What we do all too often here is to argue about opinions not facts.

a reply to: Gryphon66
Are you saying that my friend is a poor source and her statement should be dismissed?

Maybe it's your opinion that her statement involves some sort of bias?

Maybe I could put forth an argument on the contrary?

Maybe it would just be my opinion about her personality and stance, not fact?