Trump unveils Middle East peace plan with two-state solution, tunnel connecting West Bank and Gaza

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Any peace plan should include the expulsion of Hamas, prior to the Palestinians being allowed at the table.

Then we'll see who supports Hamas, here and abroad.

Tough situation. More people have joined hamas because of Israeli's recent actions of shooting unarmed protesters.

Palestinians are going to want some assurances that Israel will no longer act how it has been towards unarmed Palestinians.

a reply to: MaxMech

Drinking the pro-Israel kool aid much?

Israel doesn't want peace or they would end settlements and give back the stolen land. Trump is a puppet for Israel.

I support any plan that ends us giving billions and billions of US tax dollars to Isreal.

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: gortex

Israel keep everything they've stolen and the Palestinians

What exactly was stolen from them? The west bank was a Jordanian before it was conquered by Israel.
Gaza was Egyptian territory. Nether of them want these territories back.

The land given to them during the creation of the State of Israel is being stolen from them as described below.

In the end, the result is the same: More Palestinian land stolen and transferred to Jews because they are Jews (born in Israel or the Diaspora) and for their benefit. But the Jewish brain invents tricks of the trade, and the means and methods that the military bureaucracy has created and is still creating to reach this result are many and varied, until confusion and fear take over at the sheer multitude of details.

Dror Etkes, a researcher of Israel’s settlement policy, wants, as usual, to put things in order. In a new study he will be publishing this week, he focuses on the history of orders to seize Palestinian land, issued by generations of army commanders in the West Bank (not including the part that was annexed to Jerusalem). More than 1,150 seizure orders have been issued from 1969 to the present. After subtracting those that were revoked or that overlap, it turns out that this particular trick enabled Israel to take over more than 100,000 dunams (25,000 acres) of Palestinian land. More millions of dunams of Palestinian land have been stolen in other ways, which Etkes has been researching too.
www.haaretz.com...

a reply to: bastion

Well that is simply wrong, Palestine will have defined borders and it's own government. It will not happen on day 1 and will be a transition, which actually makes sense.

originally posted by: Echo007
Israel doesn't want peace or they would end settlements and give back the stolen land. Trump is a puppet for Israel.

There is no Palestine and never was, because when they were offered their own land alongside Israel they refused and attacked Israel. If there was no Palestine, Palestine can not have land stolen from it. The lost land is a direct result of their aggression and refusal to accept peace.

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: gortex

Israel keep everything they've stolen and the Palestinians

What exactly was stolen from them? The west bank was a Jordanian before it was conquered by Israel.
Gaza was Egyptian territory. Nether of them want these territories back.

The land given to them during the creation of the State of Israel is being stolen from them as described below.

In the end, the result is the same: More Palestinian land stolen and transferred to Jews because they are Jews (born in Israel or the Diaspora) and for their benefit. But the Jewish brain invents tricks of the trade, and the means and methods that the military bureaucracy has created and is still creating to reach this result are many and varied, until confusion and fear take over at the sheer multitude of details.

Dror Etkes, a researcher of Israel’s settlement policy, wants, as usual, to put things in order. In a new study he will be publishing this week, he focuses on the history of orders to seize Palestinian land, issued by generations of army commanders in the West Bank (not including the part that was annexed to Jerusalem). More than 1,150 seizure orders have been issued from 1969 to the present. After subtracting those that were revoked or that overlap, it turns out that this particular trick enabled Israel to take over more than 100,000 dunams (25,000 acres) of Palestinian land. More millions of dunams of Palestinian land have been stolen in other ways, which Etkes has been researching too.
www.haaretz.com...

They invalidated that division by refusing to accept it. You can't claim we refuse to accept these borders and invade, and then later say hey these were supposed to be the borders.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

They invalidated that division by refusing to accept it.

Citation needed , or is that just your personal opinion ?

a reply to: chr0naut

You do realize that the US, in a capital crisis, can simply refuse to repay Treasury securities and there is no force in the world that can make them hold to the deal.

yes
i realize we have the biggest stick
thanks for reminding us

we can, and do, do what we wish

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: gortex

Israel keep everything they've stolen and the Palestinians

What exactly was stolen from them? The west bank was a Jordanian before it was conquered by Israel.
Gaza was Egyptian territory. Nether of them want these territories back.

nice snappy reply

the historical record supports your view that Gaza & West Bank were not territory assigned to Israel creation, these areas were 'spoils-of-war'

the territory assigned to Israel is shown in this link: static.tvtropes.org...

the Palestine Arabs were a population living without government or borders...the Palestine Arab peoples(along with small cells of Shephardic Jews were native/indigenous to the region, and willfully lived on lands not policed or governed by Egypt or Lebanon or Jordan--by conscious decision to live under local tribal laws & not modern political governments


the sporatic groups of gathered Arabs & independent peoples were (more or less) like the Native Peoples in north America called Indians--- or Native Australians not living in parceled lands but living in Natures' lands without borders


the unclaimed Levant Lands in the Palestine region were unclaimed, free land which the UN took-over and assigned to Israel as a place for Jews to return to (around /Jerusalem in particular) and for the indigenous Arabs and No-Nation nomads/Jews/unincorporated occupants to remain in the Levant Lands of the Palestine and Ancient Hebrew Tribes


Colonialism is the culprit, the /Hubris of the UN is complicit in creating the Israeli-Palestine Mess....
this was the start of the crime of Political Correctness gone Bonkers-Wild... still going on today in the USA


ETA

oh yeah, I skipped over Syria & Golan Heights as other 'spoils of War'

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

You do realize that the US, in a capital crisis, can simply refuse to repay Treasury securities and there is no force in the world that can make them hold to the deal.

yes
i realize we have the biggest stick
thanks for reminding us

we can, and do, do what we wish

You are a citizen of the US. Increasingly, you have no voice in government. That is the anti-democratic agenda. Not government by, for, and of, the people, but government by those specially privileged.

You aren't the one with the big stick.

You are a citizen being farmed.

When your government refuses to repay you your Treasury securities, just because they can and no-one can stop them, you have no authority to appeal to. You will have lost your money.

Still waiting for that Palestinian or Iranian counter proposal to Trump's Ideas?............

a reply to: pavil

I think they responded by sending a missile over the wall.

originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Any peace plan should include the expulsion of Hamas, prior to the Palestinians being allowed at the table.

Then we'll see who supports Hamas, here and abroad.

Tough situation. More people have joined hamas because of Israeli's recent actions of shooting unarmed protesters.

Palestinians are going to want some assurances that Israel will no longer act how it has been towards unarmed Palestinians.

Yeah and this goes all the way back to the 6 day war.

Its not a tough situation. Kick the people firing rockets into Israel out, then you can begin talks about peace.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

They invalidated that division by refusing to accept it.

Citation needed , or is that just your personal opinion ?

It should be common sense. At no time in the past 100 years have they agreed to the division. The evidence is their invasion of Israel.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I don't think there should be any walls or any borders I think that the Palestinians and Israelis should live on the same territory equally and if somebody notices somebody else has a Palestinian it's like a white guy notice and somebody's black it's not supposed to matter and I think that they could all live on one land called israel-palestine you could call it Israel Palestine and it could be a lot bigger than Israel is and everybody could have the same level prosperity

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

AND IT's A JOKE... Not one Palestinian Official or Leader has been questioned or had input in this "Peace Plan".



Election Year isn't it and Impeachment and not forgetting the Israeli Mafia boss facing Corruption charges and another election... I know lets call invasion and stealing land a "Peace Plan".

a reply to: Wardaddy454

That's how America's does things isn't it... Grand Theft America