Trump unveils Middle East peace plan with two-state solution, tunnel connecting West Bank and Gaza

a reply to: chr0naut

And if Trump took control of spending you would call him a tyrant. Trump can help with income of Americans, not the spending of Congress.

Are you saying you support Trump thwarting the Constitution and taking complete control of government spending?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Snipers yards away shooting at protesters who showed no signs of carrying weaponry? Your logic makes no sense.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: toolgal462

Palestinian leadership is calling for protests over this announcement already.

Have you not been following the story in the past couple of months? Trump has warned the Palestinians will hate it. Both Israel and Palestine are against it as it's a confrontational bilateral state falsely advertised as a two-state solution - the Israeli Press (usually pro-Trump) have been mocking the plans as delusional, infantile, a departure from peace and echoes of early holocaust plabs.

The US government only had a five minute phone call with the Palestinian leadership in the 'negotiations' compared to weeks of calls, conferences and one on one meetings with Israel.

The only thin Trump and Kushner have achieved is uniting Israel and Palestine about how criminally retarded the proposed plan is.

a reply to: bastion

So you are claiming at the end there is only 1 state and Palestine will never have their own borders/government?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

But if excessive government debt burdens on future generations keep you up at night, there’s a simple solution: buy Treasury securities with the money saved from low current taxes and bequeath those securities to your kids.

Treasury securities only have worth if the US can cover the debt. As such, treasuries only increase the national debt. At this point in time, the national debt has already - for three years - exceeded the capacity of the US economy to repay.

You do realize that the US, in a capital crisis, can simply refuse to repay Treasury securities and there is no force in the world that can make them hold to the deal.

a reply to: chr0naut

This thread is not about the record income growth under Trump. Let's stop the thread drift.

If you have a problem with spending the Democrats in Congress can address that, I recommend you message some of them.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

And if Trump took control of spending you would call him a tyrant. Trump can help with income of Americans, not the spending of Congress.

Are you saying you support Trump thwarting the Constitution and taking complete control of government spending?

The US Department of the Treasury is under the Executive branch. It advises the President on financial, tax and trade policies.

The Treasury Dept. does not have control over financial policy (Congress does), but it does collect revenue, manage public debt, control the mint, regulates national banks, prosecute taxation and fiscal fraud and allocate some funding for some international aid.

The President is not out of the loop, economically. If he was, then all his crowing about the economy would be nonsense, wouldn't it?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

This thread is not about the record income growth under Trump. Let's stop the thread drift.

If you have a problem with spending the Democrats in Congress can address that, I recommend you message some of them.

The record US income growth was decades ago. (Click on 25Y or MAX on the chart to display wages and salary growth over a substantial period):

United States Wages and Salaries Growth - Trading Economics

But surely the on-topic point I was making is that the POTUS has more important domestic matters to deal with, rather than grandstanding as if this plan was any different than suggested decades previously.

Any peace plan should include the expulsion of Hamas, prior to the Palestinians being allowed at the table.

Then we'll see who supports Hamas, here and abroad.

Might as well put this map up since it seems relevant to the topic of the thread..



Peace

a reply to: chr0naut

Trump does not control spending, go talk to Congress, stop derailing the thread. Moderators have better things to do than come in to erase your off topic posts.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

After 100 years of attacks they are lucky to have anything. If they won the war they started 100 years ago do you think we would be discussing a 2 state solution today? There are consequences to 100 years of aggression.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Any peace plan should include the expulsion of Hamas, prior to the Palestinians being allowed at the table.
Then we'll see who supports Hamas, here and abroad.

Hamas is supported by Islamic Republic Iran is it not ?

don't you think the Hezbollah will eventually be welcomed into Gaza, as support forces of Palestine if given actual 'land expanse' instead of parcels in Gaza and West Bank areas ?

I think that reason alone is why the Palestine groups will not achieve land within defined borders beyond Gaza & spotty parcels in the west bank

a reply to: St Udio

The problem is they support aggression and terrorism, not peace. Egypt is demanding Palestine have no border with them because of their worry about Palestinian terrorism.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: bastion

So you are claiming at the end there is only 1 state and Palestine will never have their own borders/government?

That's been the analysis in the Israeli press - Haarets have a good article here:: www.haaretz.com...

Far from offering a path to peace, Trump’s "vision for peace and prosperity and a brighter future" will instead cement the long-term subjugation of Palestinians at Israel’s hands.

Israel will not be required to dismantle its illegal settlements. Palestinians will be required to renounce their interna

tionally-recognized right to return to their homeland. Palestinians will have little access to Jerusalem.

Israel will be allowed, in violation of international law, to annex parts of the West Bank.

To the unengaged outside observer this may not mean much, but for Palestinians, and indeed for the international community, this plan speaks volumes. It does away with the international legal system as we know it and replaces it with a system in which "might is right" - where power, and not law, is supreme.

The border, government and autonomy is a loose future 'promise' - historically these never materialise and it was the UK making and breaking the same policies that caused the current mess.

Fact Check: Trump Did Not Actually Offer the Palestinians a State

Details of Trump's plan make it clear that it will lead not to a Palestinian state, but rather to Israel taking full control of the entire West Bank

www.haaretz.com...

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It was a pleasant surprise to learn that Nancy Pelosi supports this peace plan. Maybe she's sobered up long enough to gain some common sense?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Egypt demanded Palestine not have a border with them because they are afraid of Palestinian terrorism.

That should tell you a lot.

Still waiting for that new Palestinian Peace Proposal...........

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Egypt demanded Palestine not have a border with them because they are afraid of Palestinian terrorism.

That should tell you a lot.

Still waiting for that new Palestinian Peace Proposal...........

Its one reason that egypt demanded Israel keep that land because they did not want to try repatriating the refugees because they tried to overthrow them.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

It still essentially leaves them as an occupied state.

Can't see how they are "an occupied state" as a Palestinian state never existed. This plan at least offers them a state.

In the past when Israel has violated agreements

Provide one example where this actually happened. It's the other way around buddy.

a reply to: gortex

Israel keep everything they've stolen and the Palestinians

What exactly was stolen from them? The west bank was a Jordanian before it was conquered by Israel.
Gaza was Egyptian territory. Nether of them want these territories back.