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originally posted by: Mach2
originally posted by: makemap
originally posted by: JIMC5499
With this being the 78th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor, I thought that it might be a good time to throw this out here.
The attack on Pearl Harbor was one of the best things that could have happened to the U.S. Navy.
Now, let me explain my reasons for saying this. I spent from 1982 through 1987 in the Navy. My squadron deployed on aircraft carriers. The Navy has a policy of continuing the professional education of it's personnel. One of the main subjects of this is U.S. Naval History. As a result the libraries on Navy bases and on ship have a large selection of reading material. (this was before the Internet) One of those sources are thesis from the Naval Postgraduate School. I read one that was titled "Thank God For Pearl Harbor". I'm going to list some of the reasons in that thesis.
1. The attack saved many lives. If the Japanese wouldn't have attacked Pearl, the Fleet would have gone to the defense of the Philippines. At the time the Japanese Fleet out numbered and out classed the US Fleet. Almost half of the lives lost in the attack came from one battleship, the USS Arizona. Five other battleships were sunk or damaged in the attack, but, the majority of their crews survived, by being able to swim ashore or by being rescued. If the attack hadn't happened the US Fleet would have engaged the Japanese in the open ocean, resulting in a larger loss of life.
2. Four out of the six battleships were able to be salvaged and returned to duty, because of their being sunk in shallow water. Again if the US Fleet had gone after the Japanese Fleet, odds are that they would have been sunk in deep water, with no chance of salvage.
3. The attack changed the doctrine of the US Navy. It forced them to use the forces that they had left. The aircraft carriers and submarines. Prior to the attack, Navy doctrine was to use the carriers and submarines as scouts to locate enemy forces so that they could be engaged by the battleships. Little thought was given to attacking with carriers or using submarines to interdict the enemy's supply lines.
4. The attack forced the US Navy to modernize it's aircraft and tactics. Many planes were destroyed in the attack, but, the pilots and flight crews survived. The few pilots who got into the air found that they were out matched by Japanese fighter aircraft. The Navy was forced to replace it's aircraft with newer models. If the attack hadn't happened they would have gone up against the Japanese in the older aircraft and probably would have lost more pilots and aircrew. This was later proven by how easy the Japanese shot down the aircraft based on Midway during the Battle of Midway.
These are just some things to think about.
No, the biggest mistake Japan ever did was not doing a land invasion after on. Japs have been known to have crap strategies since their war against China. You cannot win a war without a land war.
In all seriousness. The Pearl Harbour attack was to cripple US navy because everyone knows US has been building a massive naval force. They failed.
I don't think you have a real understanding of the Japanese strategy.
Their whole line of reasoning was based on the belief that the US would sue for peace, allowing them free reign in the Asia/Pacific area.
Invading Hawaii would have gone totally against that premise.
Admiral Chester Nimitz, who commanded the joint forces in the war in the Central Pacific, commented on his return to the United States that the war gaming at the Naval War College in Newport and the fleet exercises had enabled the Navy to foresee everything that it would confront in the conflict against the Japanese expect for the Kamikazes.
originally posted by: TheBoomersRBusted
a reply to: makemap Don't forget how much effort Japan was expending in China. 700K dead, near 2 million IJA casualties, 20+ million Chinese dead. The Chinese fought, and lost, but fight on they did. Japan as usual could not admit even to themselves what they had bitten off. Not quite the Eastern Front but the IJA had its hands full and couldn't help the IJN very much. Not to mention the rivalry between the Army and Navy, even worse than ours.
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: ClovenSky
From the Article ...
Now, though, according to Robert Stinnett, author of Simon & Schuster’s Day Of Deceit, we have the proof. Stinnett’s book is dedicated to Congressman John Moss, the author of America’s Freedom of Information Act. According to Stinnett, the answers to the mysteries of Pearl Harbor can be found in the extraordinary number of documents he was able to attain through Freedom of Information Act requests. Cable after cable of decryptions, scores of military messages that America was intercepting, clearly showed that Japanese ships were preparing for war and heading straight for Hawaii. Stinnett, an author, journalist, and World War II veteran, spent sixteen years delving into the National Archives. He poured over more than 200,000 documents, and conducted dozens of interviews. This meticulous research led Stinnet to a firmly held conclusion: FDR knew.
Sometimes a " Terrible Truth " is Better Off Unsaid ,,,,,,
originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: JIMC5499
The Attack on Pearl Harbor Was One of the Best Things That Could Have Happened
And so was the atom bomb.