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UK media reports that Vitamin D is more effective than the flu vaccine.

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posted on Dec, 6 2019 @ 11:20 PM
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Flu jab: Are vitamin D supplements more effective than the flu vaccine?.


Dr Braude said: “A recent research review claims that vitamin D is more effective than the flu vaccine.

“The evidence, which spans at least a decade, found that for those with the most significant vitamin D deficiencies (blood levels below 10 nmol/L), taking a supplement cut their risk of respiratory infection in half.

“Additionally, people who took a daily or weekly vitamin D supplement, were less likely to report acute respiratory infections like influenza or the common cold than those who did not.”

This can be interpreted in a couple of ways:

1. That the flu vaccine is simply not effective to begin with.

2. Whatever the efficacy of the flu vaccine, vitamin D is better.

But this is not necessarily new information regarding the flu vaccine (and I would argue other vaccines as well).

CDC Admits Flu Shots Fail Half the Time (in another article it was reported that the vaccine is < 10% effective).

Children Who Get Flu Vaccine Have Three Times Risk Of Hospitalization For Flu, Study Suggests

Let be honest, whether its a vaccine related illness or some other disease, more and more people are finding what can only be described as "miracle recoveries" through nutritional therapy.

We hear about it all the time, incredible recoveries and cures simply from changing our diets and exercise.

edit on 6-12-2019 by gladtobehere because: typo




posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 12:06 AM
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Vitamin D has many benefits. Calcitriol (1,25(OH)2D) is the end metabolism product that actually helps. Read the conclusion in this article. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Calcitriol is found in fairly high amounts in potatoes, and is heat stable. It is also found in other nightshades at varying amounts and also in some other root veggies. Eat more potatoes when flu season is around and it does help to deter getting the flu. Too much potatoes can lead to too much calcium absorbed though, don't go crazy, it can cause calcium to build up in tendons and make you stiff.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 03:38 AM
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So is honey and fresh garlic.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 04:00 AM
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No citation to the claim... lots of could be or maybe in the article. News is only trust worthy if they include facts and and sources. I've had a few wobbly pops so maybe I missed it but a journalist's ability to decifer the facts and cull there instinct to write an eye catching story might superceded their do diligence to report on the subject properly. This isnt 1850 where you get the news from the guy down the street who watches everything. This is scientific research and if you report it than it it needs to be factual and verifiable. The link, as far as I can tell, doesnt meet that criteria.

If I'm Wrong please tell me and tell me why. I welcome it. I want the betterment.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 04:07 AM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

Its something like 30% of the time doctors give patients placebos.

You are what you eat literally, diet and exercise are the 2 most important aspects to a healthy life.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 04:49 AM
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a reply to: confound

The first reply includes a link to a study... there are actually several such studies over the past several years, and at least a couple reviews of the many published studies.

A Google search or -- even better -- a PubMed search for "Vitamin D + flu" will bring up many more.

The science is out there, even if it wasn't cited in the linked article.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: confound

Duplicate -- Deleted.
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posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:22 AM
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There is no flu shot or medicine that does not come from natural materials...the plicks just lie to us and confuse us then re-package basic natural foods and sell them to us as medicines...its a full out global scam......simply because they know very well we don't have the Agriculture base in place to produce the needed plants in global sized quantities...so the plicks make it up by adding crap to a miniscule amount of real plant based remedy.....and then they charge more for more concentrated types which they put less filler in.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:36 AM
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Best way to avoid the flu is to avoid humans, Avoid anything they touch. Stay at home alone until it all blows over.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: musicismagic

Ohhh horlicks has vitamin d amongst other beneficial vitamins, or you could placebo yourself instead of nocebo yourself when you get a tickly cough etc, tickly cough appears, Nocebo= oh Im coming down for a bad cold. Placebo= oh a wee tickly cough for my antibodies to fight and become stronger YASs.... The mind is powerful.
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posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Vitamin D has many benefits. Calcitriol (1,25(OH)2D) is the end metabolism product that actually helps. Read the conclusion in this article. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Calcitriol is found in fairly high amounts in potatoes, and is heat stable. It is also found in other nightshades at varying amounts and also in some other root veggies. Eat more potatoes when flu season is around and it does help to deter getting the flu. Too much potatoes can lead to too much calcium absorbed though, don't go crazy, it can cause calcium to build up in tendons and make you stiff.


That is really interesting info, thank you.
About 7 years ago I developed Calcific Tendonitis in my neck, resulting in my shooting clots down my arm, and thankfully not in the opposite direction. I underwent surgery to remove the whole muscle. It was touch and go with my index finger as it was black.....but sorted that with Essential Oils.
Anyhoo.....I was warned it could come back, and it has on my achilles tendon which means I can't wear my walking boots. I take VitD occassionally and only for a few days along with some magnesium, VitB combo and Iron....all for just a few days in the winter months. Just wondering if I should leave off the VitD altogether now even though it...along with the other supplements 'pick me up' when I feel a bit low and not so physically well.
Would appreciate your thoughts Ricky

Rainbows
Jane



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

I found quite a major flaw.

for those with the most significant vitamin D deficiencies


So this is only for those with severe deficiencies, the average person will not see those benefits. Those with severe deficiencies are actually the people who really should get the flu shot (along with supplements) as they are an at risk group. I actually hate the flu shot, but being a healthcare professional I am mandated to get it. The effectiveness is really low, but there are some groups who should still get it.

You should remove that photo, it's an anti-vaxxer photo, and it makes it difficult for anyone with any actual knowledge to take the rest of what you post seriously.



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: one4all

So what do you think vaccines contain and how can you obtain that yourself?



posted on Dec, 7 2019 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: angelchemuel

originally posted by: rickymouse
Vitamin D has many benefits. Calcitriol (1,25(OH)2D) is the end metabolism product that actually helps. Read the conclusion in this article. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Calcitriol is found in fairly high amounts in potatoes, and is heat stable. It is also found in other nightshades at varying amounts and also in some other root veggies. Eat more potatoes when flu season is around and it does help to deter getting the flu. Too much potatoes can lead to too much calcium absorbed though, don't go crazy, it can cause calcium to build up in tendons and make you stiff.


That is really interesting info, thank you.
About 7 years ago I developed Calcific Tendonitis in my neck, resulting in my shooting clots down my arm, and thankfully not in the opposite direction. I underwent surgery to remove the whole muscle. It was touch and go with my index finger as it was black.....but sorted that with Essential Oils.
Anyhoo.....I was warned it could come back, and it has on my achilles tendon which means I can't wear my walking boots. I take VitD occassionally and only for a few days along with some magnesium, VitB combo and Iron....all for just a few days in the winter months. Just wondering if I should leave off the VitD altogether now even though it...along with the other supplements 'pick me up' when I feel a bit low and not so physically well.
Would appreciate your thoughts Ricky

Rainbows
Jane


Vitamin d has many forms, there is D2 which is plant based, the skin turns it into D3 when exposed to light. D3 has some properties that are unique in Metabolism but most of it's effects are beneficial after to goes through the liver and is metabolized to Calcidiol. Calcidiol does do some things in our bodies and with the kidneys moderates how much calcitriol is formed which is way more bioactive in metabolism. Calditriol increases calcium uptake and helps with strengthening bones and cartilage, too much can cause a loss of elasticity. Calcitriol also is active in the brain though and helps to reduce dementia and alzheimer risk. So potatoes and other veggis that contain it actually help protect from cognitive decline a bit. If your kidneys and liver are functioning properly, which is rare in the American junk food diet, the body will make calcitriol in adequate amounts, no nightshades high in it are needed.

People look at the carbs in potatoes and avoid them but do not look at the large amount of good food chemistry. When you look at how much vitamin D is in potatoes...it shows very little in many nutrition guidelines. That is because they do not test for calcitriol, they test for D2 and D3....Calcitriol is around a hundred times more potent than D3 in metabolism, a tiny bit goes a long way. They do have calcitriol meds for alzheimer patients and a few other kinds of diseases.

You can have high levels of calcitriol in your body but if you do not eat higher levels of calcium foods or supplements, it does not cause calcium buildup in soft tissue and tendons. So, eat potatoes in moderation, do not overconsume them. A couple of meals a week or more is good for you, skip the bread with potatoes because bread is high in Calcium. Excess calcidiol will be expelled in the urine over four to six hours, but continually eating potatoes can cause too high calcium levels in the body being absorbed.

There is a lot of research out there on calcitriol usage in the body. Like I mentioned this supplement is prescription only and is prescribed by some specialists. www.medicinenet.com...

It says the calcitriol is man made, but it is not, any root veggie has some to start the tuber growing in no sunlight. But Nightshades actually grow in the dark, no sunlight required, so they are higher in it than other tubers.

I know a lot more about this, but I am trying to summarize it, this is too long already.

Oh, by the way, the balance of magnesium to Calcium in the body needs to be in balance, if not it can either cause cramps (too much calcium) or it can cause weak and painful muscles (too high magnesium) that tend to hurt more long term. I was taking magnesium supplements for about two weeks and wound up with an imbalance which kind of sucks. I now take an occasional Calcium Citrate which includes some Magnesium citrate in the pill. If you get an occasional muscle cramp, a quarter teaspoon of regular condiment mustard can knock it out quickly. The combination of isothiocyanides and the turmeric really work together in mustard. If you are working hard outside, put mustard on your sandwich to lower cramps from forming. Yellow mustard is a medicine, do not overeat it, same with horsey sauce.
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posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: gladtobehere
Face down ass up? Let's spread our cheeks and tan our butt holes.



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Thank you so much for all that info, appreciated


Rainbows
Jane



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

And in the US at least, also add vitamin D fortified milk to the list of possible sources for this important vitamin.

Mmmm … calcium, and vitamin D both in the same yummy drinkable source!



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: rickymouse

And in the US at least, also add vitamin D fortified milk to the list of possible sources for this important vitamin.

Mmmm … calcium, and vitamin D both in the same yummy drinkable source!




D3 still needs the liver and kidneys to convert it properly so it can make calcitriol. If a person is kind of allergic to milk, not necessarily lactose intolerant, it actually stunts the liver's ability to make calcidiol from D3 which is cholecalciferol. A milk allergy is a little rare, one in twenty five people could have it. It is not really a major issue in most of those people. I am allergic to milk but still drink it occasionally and have it in my coffee every day. It does raise my body temperature a few degrees and it does give me a headache if I overindulge. A little proteinase like fresh pineapple or bromelaine supplements gets rid of the headache within five minutes usually.

I am not going to give up milk just because I am allergic to it. We get organic grass fed milk, it tastes really good, if I am going to suffer, it better taste great. Same with icecream, I like really good tasting ice cream, something worth the headache.. Those cheapy fake soft serve ice cream cones rarely give me a headache.



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

But, I've read in more than one place that people who live north of, say, Boston, need more D3 from October to March because the sun rays are too slanted.
And that D3 is better at combating colds than VitC?



posted on Dec, 8 2019 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: rickymouse

But, I've read in more than one place that people who live north of, say, Boston, need more D3 from October to March because the sun rays are too slanted.
And that D3 is better at combating colds than VitC?


D2 is plant based, it requires the skin being exposed to sunlight to turn it into D3. So D3 is better than D2 in the winter months. As long as the liver is not being taxed and the kidneys are working correctly. Too much D3 can cause lots of problems, I know some people who had major problems from taking higher doses for over six months. All people need is a maximum of two times the daily minimum requirement of D3 unless they have a severe deficiency which would show up as low calcium levels in a blood test.

But, a person who eats potatoes could get a test and the results could show normal calcium levels but a deficiency in D3, that is because they are getting the active hormone metabolite from the potatoes and nightshades, and not consuming D3. But it usually won't effect their health at all because they are not deficient in Calcium. Like I mentioned, D3 does have some minor things it does, if a person's level is real low it should be brought up to the lower normal range, even if they eat potatoes which contain the active form. It also keeps the doctors satisfied, they usually do not know nearly as some of the people who specialize in this do and can actually cause more harm than good sometimes. They often prescribe high doses of D2 meds, but they won't do anything if the person does not get any sun. They prescribed those for my wife, I told her just to take D3...of course she did not believe me till she actually looked it up. It was Winter when she had the problem with a deficiency, and she was dieting so she cut potatoes down to a minimum and her potassium dove real low when she wasn't eating potatoes too. She also had low calcium levels, still in the ok range but right at the bottom.

She has learned to listen to me about this kind of stuff. I told her to eat more potato chips instead of taking potassium supplements, fifteen chips has more potassium than two of the pills do.

Making sure to get adequate vitamin A actually protects people from viruses too. Many people are deficient in vitamin A. Many far northern Europeans convert acetic acid, vinegar, to vitamin C and they metabolize it better because their metabolism evolved to get their vitamin c that way over the last thousand years. They have been pickling things for a very long time, otherwise they would never have had veggies in the winter and would have had scurvy. The sailors who did not take pickled foods usually got scurvy, but vikings rarely got scurvy because they had some pickled foods on their ships. Southern Europeans do not have many people that can metabolize adequate vitamin C from vinegar. Everyone can convert a little, but certain cultures have more ability.
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