The Drake Equation Fallacy

Babies that die before they even know who Christ was, must also face everlasting destruction, too?

originally posted by: turbonium1
Babies that die before they even know who Christ was, must also face everlasting destruction, too?

Well how about grown adults? The bible clearly says this is the case! So you could be the nicest person, a person who spends their life helping people, but if they do not believe, then they are damned!

What if you are following the wrong religion. What If Islam is the true religion? That means you are going to hell!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: turbonium1
Babies that die before they even know who Christ was, must also face everlasting destruction, too?

Well how about grown adults? The bible clearly says this is the case! So you could be the nicest person, a person who spends their life helping people, but if they do not believe, then they are damned!

What if you are following the wrong religion. What If Islam is the true religion? That means you are going to hell!

No, people put it in the Bible, for their own agenda, as I told you before. The Bible has been corrupted by people many times over the ages, this is one example of it.

One must read the Bible logically, to see what is consistent, and what is the complete opposite. You refuse to do that, so be it. I don't read everything without thinking it through, you should try it sometime, perhaps.

God created all life on Earth.

If God sent his only Son, Jesus, to Earth, then God knew Jesus would only see people in the Middle East, and nowhere else.

God, knowing many people live in Asia, and elsewhere, would not know, or see, Jesus.

So we know God would NOT punish those he created because they lived in Asia, and they could never have known, or heard of, Jesus.


By your argument, God punishes people he put in Asia, who had no idea who Christ was? You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: turbonium1
Babies that die before they even know who Christ was, must also face everlasting destruction, too?

Well how about grown adults? The bible clearly says this is the case! So you could be the nicest person, a person who spends their life helping people, but if they do not believe, then they are damned!

What if you are following the wrong religion. What If Islam is the true religion? That means you are going to hell!

No, people put it in the Bible, for their own agenda, as I told you before. The Bible has been corrupted by people many times over the ages, this is one example of it.

One must read the Bible logically, to see what is consistent, and what is the complete opposite. You refuse to do that, so be it. I don't read everything without thinking it through, you should try it sometime, perhaps.

You are cherry picking! You are doing what most people do. Why do KKK have their beliefs? Because they cherry pick the bible! This is the problem! People believe what they want to believe! With the bible, this is so obvious!

originally posted by: turbonium1
God created all life on Earth.

If God sent his only Son, Jesus, to Earth, then God knew Jesus would only see people in the Middle East, and nowhere else.

God, knowing many people live in Asia, and elsewhere, would not know, or see, Jesus.

So we know God would NOT punish those he created because they lived in Asia, and they could never have known, or heard of, Jesus.


By your argument, God punishes people he put in Asia, who had no idea who Christ was? You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

It's in the bible! The book you believe in! If you dissmiss some of the stuff in the bible, how do you know the bible was not written by human beings?

There is absolutly no evidence that what is in the bible is true, it's all belief! That's all!

originally posted by: turbonium1
You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

Most people who look into the subject do end up drawing that conclusion

Atheism, how is it rational? First it depends heavily on science to justify
it's lack of belief in a supreme being Creator God. But is this rational?
If all science is doing is reverse engineering everything that already exists?
How can that possibly disprove the existence of a Creator? An intelligence
that gives reason. A conscience that explains love. And a consciousness
that was deliberate, in the infinite number of intricacies, that must occur
just to make life on earth possible.

All of which must occur in perfect synchronicity at least thousands of times
over at every turn. I myself do see the need for a supreme being Creator.
Because science will never disprove Gods existence. I don't believe that
science even considers that one of it's goals. All tho roughly speaking I
do believe many scientists love to play God. Or even want to be godlike.

I'm absolutely positive that evolutionary science is going to prove the
existence of God. When science fails to create a single complex organism.
When it is exhausted every means possible of bringing inanimate lifeless
tissue to life. Then scientists will realize the spark of life is with the giver
of life. Science is great at explaining an immediate cause. But it will
never begin to explain the ultimate cause. Why are we here, morality or
the animation of the first complex organism that could not have been
born.

So how is it rational to be an atheist? It isn't unless one considers the
possibility of God as exponentially frivolous. Pascals wager seems like
a really bad bet to me.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turbonium1
You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

Most people who look into the subject do end up drawing that conclusion

When people don't use their God-given brains, that's what can happen, sadly!

originally posted by: carsforkids
Atheism, how is it rational? First it depends heavily on science to justify
it's lack of belief in a supreme being Creator God. But is this rational?
If all science is doing is reverse engineering everything that already exists?
How can that possibly disprove the existence of a Creator? An intelligence
that gives reason. A conscience that explains love. And a consciousness
that was deliberate, in the infinite number of intricacies, that must occur
just to make life on earth possible.

All of which must occur in perfect synchronicity at least thousands of times
over at every turn. I myself do see the need for a supreme being Creator.
Because science will never disprove Gods existence. I don't believe that
science even considers that one of it's goals. All tho roughly speaking I
do believe many scientists love to play God. Or even want to be godlike.

I'm absolutely positive that evolutionary science is going to prove the
existence of God. When science fails to create a single complex organism.
When it is exhausted every means possible of bringing inanimate lifeless
tissue to life. Then scientists will realize the spark of life is with the giver
of life. Science is great at explaining an immediate cause. But it will
never begin to explain the ultimate cause. Why are we here, morality or
the animation of the first complex organism that could not have been
born.

So how is it rational to be an atheist? It isn't unless one considers the
possibility of God as exponentially frivolous. Pascals wager seems like
a really bad bet to me.

You ramble on with your nonsense, without posting any evidence! It's getting boring now! What did the bible tell us about the universe? What did the bible say about diseases? I could go on and on! Stop chatting rubbish! What has religion given us? Countless wars! Racism, sexism, homophobic etc etc So much hate! But hey! God loves us all!

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turbonium1
You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

Most people who look into the subject do end up drawing that conclusion

When people don't use their God-given brains, that's what can happen, sadly!

lol Seriously! Give up now before you make yourself look even more stupid!

originally posted by: carsforkids
Atheism, how is it rational? First it depends heavily on science to justify
it's lack of belief in a supreme being Creator God. But is this rational?
If all science is doing is reverse engineering everything that already exists?
How can that possibly disprove the existence of a Creator? An intelligence
that gives reason. A conscience that explains love. And a consciousness
that was deliberate, in the infinite number of intricacies, that must occur
just to make life on earth possible.

All of which must occur in perfect synchronicity at least thousands of times
over at every turn. I myself do see the need for a supreme being Creator.
Because science will never disprove Gods existence. I don't believe that
science even considers that one of it's goals. All tho roughly speaking I
do believe many scientists love to play God. Or even want to be godlike.

I'm absolutely positive that evolutionary science is going to prove the
existence of God. When science fails to create a single complex organism.
When it is exhausted every means possible of bringing inanimate lifeless
tissue to life. Then scientists will realize the spark of life is with the giver
of life. Science is great at explaining an immediate cause. But it will
never begin to explain the ultimate cause. Why are we here, morality or
the animation of the first complex organism that could not have been
born.

So how is it rational to be an atheist? It isn't unless one considers the
possibility of God as exponentially frivolous. Pascals wager seems like
a really bad bet to me.

Science cannot create life, or know how life WAS created, so they say it was from a random pile of goo, over millions of years, and 'POOF', life came to exist! And it started ALL life, too, over another billion years, just by random luck!


And when they deny God created life, they simply point to a big pile of goo, and proclaim proudly 'THIS IS HOW ALL LIFE WAS FIRST CREATED!'


I believe in God, the 'experts' believe in Goo!


Brains are not just for frying out with drugs, they are also very useful for logical thinking, too! Maybe the 'experts' like frying their brains more than using them for critical thinking, at times like this!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turbonium1
You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

Most people who look into the subject do end up drawing that conclusion

When people don't use their God-given brains, that's what can happen, sadly!

lol Seriously! Give up now before you make yourself look even more stupid!

I'm sorry if you didn't figure out that God would have known Asians wouldn't see Christ, so that passage makes no sense except if humans put it in.

No reason to get irate about this issue, or anything!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turbonium1
You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

Most people who look into the subject do end up drawing that conclusion

When people don't use their God-given brains, that's what can happen, sadly!

lol Seriously! Give up now before you make yourself look even more stupid!

The universe was clearly created and with design. You have been given multiple examples of why people believe this and the only retort you can come up with are personal insults. I am done with you, i tried my best to compromise and pander to your arrogance but no more. Our journey is at an end, your head is too far buried in the sand.

a reply to: turbonium1

We can create life! I have already posted this! Does that mean we are Gods?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turbonium1
You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

Most people who look into the subject do end up drawing that conclusion

When people don't use their God-given brains, that's what can happen, sadly!

lol Seriously! Give up now before you make yourself look even more stupid!

I'm sorry if you didn't figure out that God would have known Asians wouldn't see Christ, so that passage makes no sense except if humans put it in.

No reason to get irate about this issue, or anything!

lol Doing what you do best! Cherry picking! I have already posted evidence that the bible says that all non believers will suffer! But you do what most religous people do, and ignore what does not fit your belief! Well done!

originally posted by: turbonium1
Babies that die before they even know who Christ was, must also face everlasting destruction, too?

Believing the universe was created and designed is not mutually inclusive with believing in religious texts. I have a scientific approach to my beliefs that have nothing to do with religion yet still believe in god. I also think in a way books like the bible hide some truth in their stories. They should however not be taken literally.

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turbonium1
You would believe God is a complete moron, I suppose?

Most people who look into the subject do end up drawing that conclusion

When people don't use their God-given brains, that's what can happen, sadly!

lol Seriously! Give up now before you make yourself look even more stupid!

The universe was clearly created and with design. You have been given multiple examples of why people believe this and the only retort you can come up with are personal insults. I am done with you, i tried my best to compromise and pander to your arrogance but no more. Our journey is at an end, your head is too far buried in the sand.

Are you a religous person pretending not to be a religious person? It would not be a first! Look at my arguments and debates o am having with people on here!

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: turbonium1

We can create life! I have already posted this! Does that mean we are Gods?

NO WE CAN'T. Please provide an example of inanimate chemicals suddenly forming into "life".

Sure we can use DNA to activate silicon based cell mutation, that is not creating life.

a reply to: Jay-morris

No i'm not religious as i follow no religion. I take some of my morals and values from Judeo-Christian teachings however i think most of us in the West have been influenced by these.

My concepts on creation and design are firmly based in the realms of science. My ideas about consciousness have no foundation other than my own personal feelings and reasoning as no-one understands this particular subject.