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How Secular Liberalism Stole Your Identity

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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 05:07 PM
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Secularism: "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis"

I don't like to further polarize left and right, but the excessive dominance of liberalism in the education system strongly points to them as the culprit for the identity crisis of America. this study found that over 91% of university professors are liberal. There is certainly a lot of valuable information dispensed on college campuses, but the problem comes when facts are twisted to fit a particular agenda.

To promote liberalism, conservatism must be made to look silly, uneducated, and downright stupid. To establish this perception, the secular education system pushes forth theories that attempt to refute the foundations of conservatism. Now you may be able to think of multiple ideological examples that this applies to, but I want to focus on evolutionary theory. Especially because many have been conned into thinking it is a genuine scientific observation backed by much evidence. As we found with the fake news epidemic, there is actually no core observable truth to the matter.

People are no longer taught that we are children of a wondrous and transcendent Creator, but instead we are taught that we are the chaotic accident of cosmic randomness and miraculously mutated pond slew. This is a highway towards secularism.



Many don't argue it because they assume the experts know best, and it is also taboo to argue evolution. The secular liberal agenda has made it so. Because the secularists also have a monopoly on scientific journals, there are no dissenting opinions allowed. Take for example when a group of scientists carbon-dated dinosaur bones and got results that did not fit the evolutionary narrative. At first the lab gave them back their results, assuring that it was accurate:



Once the Carbon dating lab got word that what they had tested was dinosaur bones, they quickly scrambled to account for them defying the sacred secular dogma:



Do you see how this is problematic?

The problem with evolutionary theory, besides the lack of compelling empirical evidence, is that it sets deep into the minds of young children. Even at a young age, before having fully developed the ability to rationalize, children are taught, as per the secular liberal curriculum, that dinosaurs are hundreds of millions of years old and the earth is even older. This is often taught around 3rd grade, and most times even younger. Even worse, the evidence is never shown. It is just a blanket statement "the fossil record proves it". But what about the fossil record proves it? Here are links that show this is an outright lie:

Our ancestors saw dinosaurs - they depicted and wrote about them (link)

Carbon dating dinosaurs found them to be between 4,000-40,000 years old (link)

soft tissue found in dinosaur bones (link)

So that proves dinosaurs were recent in history, showing that the evolutionary timeline cannot be correct. How do the secularists respond to this straightforward scientific evidence? They simply claim it is a lie, because they have been so deeply embedded in the secular religion that they cannot think outside its bounds. That is exactly the goal of the secular education system. It is the unscientific inquisition of any dissenting opinions to the evolutionary narrative. This is how many stray into extreme leftism, because they are led to believe that there is no greater intelligence involved in existence. This is why atheism was inseparable from Marxist ideology.

There is no longer a separation of church and state, because secularism, the belief in no beliefs, is itself a belief system. It is disguised under the umbrella of science, but it disallows all real science that conflicts with its meaningless nihilist ideology. It is able to do so because it has a monopoly on the education system and peer-review outlets. I encourage everyone to do their own research into the evidence against evolution, but here's some I found:

It's been said the geological columns prove a really old earth.

Not true. Given the right conditions, Geological strata form very quickly, as shown by "polystrate fossils", which are old trees that are upright and pass through multiple geological strata.




This proves geological strata forms very quickly. Quick enough that it captures upright trees.

Another interesting observation is "hydrologic sorting", this explains why various strata contain certain allotments of organisms. This got misperceived as evidence for the evolutionary narrative, but it is actually due to the deposition after the global flood described by all cultures around the world.

Darwin himself said that if organs were found to be dependent on eachother to function, that his theory would collapse. This is because the theory of evolution relies on sequential modifications. So if it was found that sequential modifications could not account for observations in biology, the theory would collapse. Over a hundred years later, we have found that not just organs, but also organ tissue, cells, organelles, proteins, DNA and even entire organisms are all reliant on other aspects of biology to function properly. This proves that evolutionary mechanisms could not have created biological organisms. This is called "irreducible complexity"

simple examples of irreducible complexity (link)

I would also like to make a distinction between liberals and secularists. There are liberals with spiritual beliefs, and I believe this is good. When I was conned into the evolution religion for about 10 years, I eventually was pulled out by leftist religious belief systems... and through deductive reasoning eventually came to realize Jesus as the metaphysical pillar of the universe and embodiment of the logos. But secularism does not jive with leftist religions either. Buddha would laugh at someone in the face if they told him he was the ancestor of mutant apes. So would Krishna. So would Zoroaster. So would Socrates.

So if secularism is such a minority, why does it dominate the education system? These are the age old "teachers of the law", that Jesus claims have stolen the keys to the kingdom, and hidden it from others and also their selves. This is because it prevents you from fully realizing the implications of being a child of God, and believing in the power of God. If you think God is all powerful, yet the creation came to be through random mutation, then your belief is spoiled, and doubt creeps in. This is the leaven of the Pharisees that contaminates the whole loaf.

Do not be fooled by the secular education system. You are not an ancestor of mutant apes spawned from pond slew. You are the embodiment of the Most High Intelligence in the universe, and your bodies are the material vessel made to carry this Good, Loving and Merciful Spirit. Let your actions resemble this Archetype, and it will empower you.




posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 05:18 PM
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To me a major issue is that neither side understands what liberalism and conservatism is. Real liberalism is an ideology that is universal irrelevant as to where or when it is. It focuses on the atomic individual, the founding of society and natural rights. Conservatism is not an ideology because it is based on the specific time period and geographical location.

Today's "liberals" are leftists who increasingly support socialist/communist ideals and have nothing to do with liberalism because they do not believe in the atomic individual nor natural rights. Today's conservatives are closer to being liberal because they support relatively gradual progess/change and rely on the basis of American culture which is founded on liberalism. Although, these conservatives can't be called true liberals either because the United States is arguably not liberal with the increased welfare programs and legislation/programs that attempt to promote groups of people.

I also have to wonder why it is the duty of the government through education to instill religious or moral values? "People are no longer taught that we are children of a wondrous and transcendent Creator," You don't specify the government educational system, but I can't imagine any other powerful institution that would (the family is not a monolithic institution).



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: ManWhoWasThursday


I also have to wonder why it is the duty of the government through education to instill religious or moral values? "People are no longer taught that we are children of a wondrous and transcendent Creator," You don't specify the government educational system, but I can't imagine any other powerful institution that would (the family is not a monolithic institution).

Public education sine the late 60s has been reeducating the public to an anti american stance.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

OK so explain the vast variety of extinct species in the fossil record, which just magically go along with the geological strata.

The study of taxonomy proves that over time gradual change in physical traits are enough to maintain that evolution happens.



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 06:04 PM
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I was standing on the beach in SoCal looking back at the cliffs that were ~150 -200ft tall and looked at the different layers. It looked like large dump trucks (like 10,000x size of standard large dump trucks) brought in the different layers as they differed so much and each layer was 10-20ft deep. There were large river rocks (round, smooth, size of football to basket balls), a layer of sand/fill mix, layer of small river rock gravel, sand/fill/gravel mix, large rocky layer with strangely odd large rocks mixed with sand/gravel, then more sand.

Looking at it I really felt it was man made, it made no sense looking at the different layers, and one layer would be 40-50ft deep in one spot and 100ft down the beach, it was 2-3ft deep - it wasn't spread out like I would think it would be if natural. This happened over and over along the coast, almost as if there were loads dumped off to build up the cliffs (maybe to stop the rising sea??????????????????/



posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 08:39 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: cooperton

OK so explain the vast variety of extinct species in the fossil record, which just magically go along with the geological strata.


Species do go extinct usually due to resource contention, but not always. If they go extinct by this process, then it is often unlikely that such would be clear in the geological record. The geological record usually indicates extinctions coincident with geological upheaval.

Changes in atmosphere and environment, localized catastrophes, changes in predation, all sorts of things can cause extinction events. The assumption that ONLY natural selection is doing it, is obviously untrue.

Similarly, geological upheaval may preserve traces of a species extincted in the event. Gradualism and natural selection are specifically un-evidenced in the case of such geological upheaval. To make the assumption that the mechanisms described in evolutionary theory are there, is not borne out by the actual geological data.

I am not saying that evolution cannot happen, just that the geological record does not adequately evidence it as has often been assumed.


The study of taxonomy proves that over time gradual change in physical traits are enough to maintain that evolution happens.


Taxonomy struggles with "ancestor species that appear after their offspring" all the time. A case in point is the outdated 'evolution of the horse' taxonomy that is now entirely discredited as it's purported taxonomic sequence was nothing like accurate dating would suggest.

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posted on Aug, 6 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

Not Mine , I'm Immune . Logic Dictates , not Fallible Man ............Ha Ha ....



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 02:52 AM
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Do you think that maybe...
Just maybe..

The reason people with more education are liberal and share liberal ideals isn't some conspiracy... But that left wing views make sense, and the more intelligent you are/become, the easier it is to see and understand?

The only real problem with left wing views is that in order for our policies to work flawlessly, the right would need to buy in. So roumd and round we go. Sooner or later though the population.will be so overwhelmingly left we can just steamroll policies.

Also, as a Catholic, with 12 years of private Catholic school education, I'll tell you there's no reason you can't support both Evolution and creationism.

In Theology class, we learned a very important concept, this was taught by Benedictine monks I may add.

There's a difference between Biblical truth, and Historical truth and neither has to be wrong. The Bible has been translated hundreds of times, and is highly allegorical. Just because the "earth was created.in 7 days" doesn't mean.. and actual 7 days as we know them. 7 days could be 7 trillion years in God's time, 7.days could be 7 steps to explain it etc.

Theres no reason God couldn't have instilled evolution



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: cooperton

The problem is theological ideas are silly. Nobody who isn't a master in mental gymnastics can believe Earth is something around 6000 years old, or that some dude who created humans in his image made the entire universe in 6 days. That's just silly.
I see it as a beautiful thing secular liberalism opened the door for independent free thinking. In terms of spirituality that's exactly how it should be, you have to think and work it out on your own because it's glaringly obvious the biblical god is either a sadistic douche who doesn't give a flying # about his creation, or our assumption about its true nature are wrong.
That's the only two conclusions one can arrive at when taking into account how it looks like in the world, how people are and how we, and especially religious fundamentalists, are cruel to the bone. If your creator is real he is the devil.
Secular liberalism on the other hand gave us humanism, the Need to understand what made us as we are. It's a Journey not a destination. One of the most fundamental aspects of it is that everything is constantly questioned and uncertain.
It's already hard enough to accept that all we know about reality is what we perceive with our mind and there for always just a mental construct, without people forcing lies and intellectual cages upon their fellow men which make every attempt of trying to think about truth impossible and the spiritual equivalent of illegal.
Thinking and asking questions has to be free for all. Especially since the answers theology provides are nothing but insanely stupid.

If you personally want to believe in creationism that's totally your problem. I guess you have to learn to endure that it's perceived as stupid by others. And that evidence and logic will tell you it's stupid too.
But once upon a time we allowed religions to dictate our thoughts and that ended in burning heretics and people questioning their lies. You have to admit it's much better now, not?

Secular liberalism allows people like me to think that consciousness is the force in the universe that creates matter. That all the forces, the energy and mass and everything in the universe is fine tuned because it is the only possible way how this underlying consciousness can express and experience itself. Etc.
Point is if you would get rid of secular liberalism you still would have to face heretics like me because creationism and those ancient theological worldviews are nothing but outdated, silly and stupid.
You should be grateful secular liberalism allows you to hold on to them if it makes you happy, but unless humanity suddenly devolves back to cavemen the times where you found a majority to share them with you are just over. And you have to accept that.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Natural selection isnt the only driving force behind evolution and the evolution of the whale clearly indicates changes in genetic makeup plus environmental changes pass down new physical traits. The fossil record isn't a joke, it's not made up. Its fact, and most importantly physical evidence.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 05:16 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: chr0naut

Natural selection isnt the only driving force behind evolution and the evolution of the whale clearly indicates changes in genetic makeup plus environmental changes pass down new physical traits. The fossil record isn't a joke, it's not made up. Its fact, and most importantly physical evidence.


But the fossil record mostly shows something other than the evolutionary mechanisms. It shows the unsuccessful and the dead. It is inferred that it shows evolutionary mechanisms but it really doesn't and the geological sequence is sometimes at odds with the assumed taxonomical sequence recorded in the phylogenetic tree.

Very 'ancient' organisms and branches of the phylogenetic tree are alive today and 'modern' supposedly later branches and organisms seem to have existed far earlier than the tree suggests.

I have proposed previously that horizontal gene transfer is a big part of biodiversity (we have evidence that it occurs as it is exactly the same bio-chemic functionality that we use in the lab for genetic engineering) but it makes an absolute botch of the taxonomy if a 'truly ancient' organism can swap genes (and therefore traits) with 'truly modern' organisms.

Remember also that most of the 'junk' DNA is assumed to have gotten there by viral transfer. That is also a type of horizontal genetic transfer.

The linkages would cross taxonomic and species boundaries, rendering the phylogenetic tree truly a nonsense and based upon only assumed gross similarities in appearance.

Life and biodiversity is truly far more complex than either the evolutionists or the creationists can admit. The inability to comprehend that there are factors outside either simplistic model does not show scientific rationalism, but rather opinion driven confirmation bias.

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posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 07:46 AM
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The biblical origin is obviously a farce. However here’s a bone to the intelligent design folks. There’s a really good book called “journey of souls” where the author, a psychologist, found in his studies many subjects describing similar experiences of what goes on in between lives. He has over 70 case studies of patients giving the same explanations. In his book he presents their descriptions of the true nature of reality, what happens when we die (and before we are born), and what our ultimate purpose is.

At any rate, where intelligent design comes in is here. In their descriptions we live again and again until we grow up and develop to a certain level of advancement. And then we move on to the next phase, leaving the cycles of death and rebirth. At that point our job becomes that of advancing and enacting the subtle influences that create and perpetuate the physical universe we inhabit during our lives. This includes not only the natural laws like electromagnetism, gravity etc, but also how particles and elements interact, and even to guiding evolution on the subatomic level. So apparently, extrapolated from this, there are indeed uncounted beings influencing all the aspects of not only our development and evolution, but also the behavior and continuance of our universe and reality.

This is pretty interesting and correlates with early human ideologies of natural deities of streams or oceans, local specific spirits and deities, and deities of different nature or aspects, like the god of war or of oceans, etc.

It was a great read.



posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple

I see it as a beautiful thing secular liberalism opened the door for independent free thinking.


I certainly think it played a pivotal role in history. It was most definitely necessary to make people no longer blindly believe in something. It compelled people to come to know and understand on their own, without relying on outward sources. Unfortunately secular liberalism itself has become its own religion, very similar to the type of totalitarian control that it wished to break free from initially.



If you personally want to believe in creationism that's totally your problem. I guess you have to learn to endure that it's perceived as stupid by others. And that evidence and logic will tell you it's stupid too.


This is the exact intolerance and myopic worldview that secular liberalism generates. Do you actually think random chance is the more likely the candidate for the ordered creation? The mathematical predictability of physical and chemical laws demonstrates that something intelligent implemented this system.

Yet secular liberalism has made strong efforts to make sure that any suggestions of intelligent design are mocked and ridiculed.


originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: cooperton

OK so explain the vast variety of extinct species in the fossil record, which just magically go along with the geological strata.


According to mostly all cultures around the world, a world-wide massive flood occurred: evidence

This would result in a known scientific deposition process called hydrologic sorting:



Organisms of different size and densities would settle in different parts of the strata. This was the mass extinction event that scientists talk about, but the secularists refuse to admit it was a global flood


originally posted by: Lucidparadox
Do you think that maybe...
Just maybe..

The reason people with more education are liberal and share liberal ideals isn't some conspiracy... But that left wing views make sense, and the more intelligent you are/become, the easier it is to see and understand?


I thought the same thing in college. Then eventually I realized how out of touch with reality a lot of the secular ideology was. Since then I've realized the answer resides somewhere in the middle. Although I currently lean right because I think the left is out of bounds.



Also, as a Catholic, with 12 years of private Catholic school education, I'll tell you there's no reason you can't support both Evolution and creationism.

Theres no reason God couldn't have instilled evolution



This is the secular leaven I was referring to though. Evolution doesn't make sense from a logical perspective, randomness doesn't create order. And if something ordered the universe into being, it wouldn't rely on randomness. We are highly advanced organic supercomputers, that doesn't come to be by random chance.



posted on Aug, 9 2019 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

I disagree man.

I just did some continuing education...

A data science cert from cornell...

If you have enough data and enough variables... Because of randomness you are bound to find instances of order.

Earth is a statistically insignificant correlation.

As I'm sure there are others.



posted on Aug, 9 2019 @ 09:17 PM
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Liberalism is an idea that's about being free to choose

You are confusing liberalism with modern progressivism

You are a partisan hack



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 02:55 AM
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a reply to: cooperton

It's not just chance or design, thanks to secular liberalism we can think about all options including fine tuning and determination.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:38 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: cooperton

It's not just chance or design, thanks to secular liberalism we can think about all options including fine tuning and determination.


But evolution almost always is a part of it. Which I'm sure it is in your ideology. It is the dogmatic creation story for the secular liberalists. It's the same cage they thought they were freeing their selves from.



originally posted by: Lucidparadox

If you have enough data and enough variables... Because of randomness you are bound to find instances of order.


Take for instance the electron transport chain in the mitochondria where energy is made for all organisms:



It is like a hydrogen fuel cell energized and synced to a combustion engine that metabolizes food. This sort of stuff doesn't come to be at random, no matter how much time is allotted. It requires meticulous engineering.
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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:38 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
Liberalism is an idea that's about being free to choose

You are confusing liberalism with modern progressivism

You are a partisan hack


Huh? I disagree. Look up the definition of secular liberalism, it is what I was addressing in my post.
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