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Christians, STOP IGNORING the Lord's Day

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posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

No wonder atheists can’t stand christians, your babbling is spite filled rhetoric
There is no love


If telling you the the wages of unrepentant iniquity lands you in hellfire is hateful, then so be it. The wages of known, unrepentant iniquity, for any soul, is hellfire, and then death.




posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: EasternShadow

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
You must read the entirety of the commandment, not only part of it.

Exodus 20:8-11  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.  9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:  10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:  11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

"To keep it holy" literally shows the very purpose of the Sabbath. It is a holy day of rest for mankind away from secular duties and activities. Church, Teaching, and even doing the miracle of healing, loosing someone from the bonds of Satan, is part of keeping the day holy. You are interpreting the Sabbath just like the Pharisees of old, instead of the way that Christ Jesus did it Himself.

Exodus sermons and convenant on Mount Sinai by Moses had become obsolete.

Hebrew 8:13
8 But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. 10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 11 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.” 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Ephesians 2:15
15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace.

1. "We are not under the law" (Rom. 6:14; Gal. 5:18).
2. We are dead to the law (Rom. 7:4).
3. We are delivered from the law (Rom. 7:6).
4. Christ is the end of the law (Rom. 10:4).
5. "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ .... we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (Gal. 3:24, 25).
6. "The law" has been abolished (Eph. 2:15).


The 10 Commandments never become obsolete.

1. Read two more verses down from what you quoted.

Romans 6:14-16  For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.  15  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.  16  Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Can you break the law, even though you are not under the law? God forbid. You are a servant of righteousness. The law shows you what is righteousness.

2. You are dead to the law in the sense that the death required of the law has been paid for. You are not dead in the sense wherein it doesn't matter if you break it anymore.

3. We are delivered from the death required of the law.

4. Yes, Christ is the end of the law. Not the law ended because of Christ. Who PERFECTLY walks in perfection to God's law? Christ.

5. Ceremonial Law, not 10 Commandments.

6. Ceremonial Law, not 10 Commandments.

Please look at the context of that which you post.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Jesus used the term "not lawful". Not lawful, yet they "continue guiltless". In no way is Jesus saying that what his disciples were doing (or David and the priests he uses as examples) was "perfectly lawful". Nope, it was "not lawful", in his own words, yet they continue guiltless just like the examples Jesus uses of those who have violated the Sabbath in the past. Yes, what he's saying there is that one can violate the Sabbath yet continue guiltless.

You have forgotten the weightier matters of the Law.

How come you get to say that Jesus is arguing the exact opposite of what he's actually saying there? Jesus says: "not lawful", you say that he's arguing that it's "perfectly lawful"? Aren't you being a little dishonest with yourself with your eisegesis? The priests he uses as an example have according to Jesus also violated the Sabbath, so what they were doing wasn't "perfectly lawful" either. You seem to equate "perfectly lawful" with "guiltless", which is clearly, by these examples Jesus uses and him spelling it out for ye, not the same thing.

Details regarding the weightier matters of the Law can be found in this comment. Especially this part concerning this topic:

List of the Ten Commandments:

1. ...
2. ...
3. ...
4. Keep the Sabbath.​—Exodus 20:​8-​11.
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Must Christians keep the Ten Commandments?

No. God gave his Law, including the Ten Commandments, specifically to the ancient nation of Israel. (Deuteronomy 5:​2, 3; Psalm 147:19, 20) The Mosaic Law is not binding on Christians, and even Jewish Christians were “released from the Law.” (Romans 7:6; verse 7 uses the tenth commandment as an example of “the Law,” thus proving that the Mosaic Law included the Ten Commandments.) The Mosaic Law was replaced by “the law of the Christ,” which includes all that Jesus instructed his followers to do.​—Galatians 6:2; Matthew 28:19, 20.

Are the Ten Commandments relevant today?

Yes. Because the Ten Commandments reveal God’s thinking, we can benefit from studying them. (2 Timothy 3:​16, 17) The Ten Commandments are based on reliable principles that will never go out-of-date. (Psalm 111:​7, 8) In fact, many of these principles underlie the teachings of what is commonly called the New Testament.​—See “Principles from the Ten Commandments reflected in the New Testament” further below.
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Principles from the Ten Commandments reflected in the New Testament:

Principle (New Testament Reference)

Worship only Jehovah God (Revelation 22:​8, 9)

Do not practice idolatry (1 Corinthians 10:14)

Honor God’s name (Matthew 6:9)

Worship God regularly (Hebrews 10:24, 25) [that one corresponds with the earlier 4th commandment]
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Related topics:

Should Christians Keep the Sabbath?
If not, then why does the Bible call the Sabbath a perpetual covenant?

As mentioned in the other thread about that subject, for those who read that thread. The article linked discusses both those questions with answers from the Bible...

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posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

I didn't say it was MADE for Israel I said it was for Israel, it is a sign for them. Typical Seventh Day Adventist nonsense.

Ex 31:12-18 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Jesus is speaking to Jewish leaders not Gentiles in the verses you quote and it is a question about Sabbath day observance. The one commandment Paul does not restate for the church.

Rom 13:7-10 ¶ Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as yourself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Isa 6622-23 is Israels Sabbath not all men on the earth sabbaths. SDA teaching. Go ahead do the work and see if you stand before God. Romans is speaking about one day or everyday is holy. Tot he Jew it is the Sabbath to the Gentile it is everyday. But he never told the gentiles to obey any Sabbath context for Romans 14 is also in Romans 13 the context of the whole book is also important, if you remove it from the context and you can put anyone under any teaching any man wants. SDA thinks they have replaced Israel. Just like the Roman Catholic church believes, the Jehovah Witnesses believe, the Moonies Believe, the Ba-hai believes, Like the landmark Baptist believe Cult after cult always make themselves the replacement of Israel.


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posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
Every day is the Lords days because He is our sabbath rest 24/7.



Exodus 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

The Lord is not His Sabbath. He is Lord of the Sabbath Day, not the Sabbath itself. And consider this:

Even if Jesus was our Sabbath, that would give us no right to break the 7th Day Sabbath. He is the way, truth, and life, right? So, because He is life, can I murder? Because He is truth, can I lie? Then even if He was the Sabbath (which He is not), then I could not ignore the Lord's Day.



Just to throw it out there but how do we know Sunday is the seventh day? For all we know, the world could have begun on a Wednesday...



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: Flavian

Sunday is the first day. It is up to every man to be fully convinced in his own heart about Holy Days

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
See you don't have to keep any day if youdon't want. And if you do it is up to you and God not some man telling you must obey because then it becomes a rule to follow and rules lead to death.
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