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originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Malisa
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Malisa
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
I did not look up what "The Lords" day is or what it meants
I just wanted to ask about something here, why are you giving it such importance that you try to enforce it on other people, when it is, like most of other things in religion, something that normal humans decided to observe?
Hear me out, who said this was something actually required by God? I did not think God had a preference for days or followed a human made calendar? As it is, it doesn't make any sense to me why this day is more important than any other day, dates are a human made thing!
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Either one believes it is the Word of God, or they do not. God spake clearly to the prophet Isaiah if you do not agree with the law, if you do not agree with His Word, it is because you have no light in you.
If they don't agree with me they are evil?
That's some loving God that created me then LMFAO!
I don't think you understand the concept of a all-loving God, you only understand the concept of how God must behave in accordance to human beliefs
You are looking at things from inside the picture that was drawn for you by another human. You are conditioned to think anyone who doesn't agree is automatically bad. This is simple black or white attitude. That concept of black or white is not something a God would consider. Can you see the flaw in that statement? It points to it being written by egotistic humans and not God.
In other words, you are forcing your concept of God into us, without even knowing God yourself in the first place. Think
Too bad
Yes, actually, if you don't agree with God, you are evil. If you don't agree with what He is saying, you agree with what Satan is saying. He is all-knowing. You are a finite being, in a fallen world.
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: visitedbythem
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: visitedbythem
Christ really ripped the religious leaders of his time on Earth. He tore them a new one over their religious behaviors
He ripped on their heinous traditions, and their hypocrisy. Not once will you find Jesus rip on the 10 Commandments. Not once. As a matter of fact, the Bible prophesied He would do the exact opposite.
Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
Yep, those rascal disciples picking and eating grain on the Sabath. Naughty naughty!
Anyone who thinks that the Sabbath condemns walking through a grain field to go preach with the Lord Jesus, and learn of Him, and thinks to pluck the grains is sin doesn't understand the Sabbath Day at all. That's why Jesus defended His disciples. God says do not work. If they harvested the entire field, they would be in sin. For example, if I plucked a few apples from an apple tree --> no sin involved. If I went out and harvested the entire thing, to bring it home --> that is sin.
So your argument boils down to what these disciples were doing doesn't count as 'working on the Sabbath day', because they weren't harvesting the entire field. But if that was Jesus' point when he defended his disciples, why didn't he say anything about it? Why does he talk about entirely different things?
He doesn't deny that his disciples were indeed working on the Sabbath day, or doing something "not lawful" or something that "violate[d] the Sabbath" (quotations from what he said, as quoted in my previous comment, as applied to the examples Jesus uses of those who have violated the Sabbath in the past yet "continue guiltless"). Instead he brings up examples of those who have violated the Sabbath and yet remain guiltless, i.e. there's no problem with it; incidentally, the examples he uses are people who did concern themselves more with the weightier matters of the Law rather than whether or not someone is ignoring or violating the Sabbath. His points are as clear to me as your 'complaint' about those supposedly 'ignoring (violating) the Sabbath' sounds familiar to me.
Note that there are 2 examples where the Pharisees were basically accusing him or his disciples for "ignoring" (violating) the Sabbath day (see my previous comment).
originally posted by: Itisnowagain
The Lords day is today.
Today is ignored because man believes that he lives in time.
Today is overlooked because thought stories speak of other times.
originally posted by: Oleandra88
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Yes it is sunday.. and you are here, on a computer, working hard to push your religion. Think about it
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
Nehemiah was not a Christian so had to live under the law
Stop preaching Judaism at me, I am a christian under Christ’s covenant
I am not a Jew
You can’t answer my simple questions so stop acting like you know everything
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: whereislogic
Below are some additional examples of Jesus / God 'working' on the Sabbath.
I think he would have considered the OP one of those hypocrites who he " looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts" Mark 3:5
Luke 13:10-17 New Living Translation (NLT)
10 One Sabbath day as Jesus was teaching in a synagogue, 11 he saw a woman who had been crippled by an evil spirit. She had been bent double for eighteen years and was unable to stand up straight. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Dear woman, you are healed of your sickness!” 13 Then he touched her, and instantly she could stand straight. How she praised God! 14 But the leader in charge of the synagogue was indignant that Jesus had healed her on the Sabbath day. “There are six days of the week for working,” he said to the crowd. “Come on those days to be healed, not on the Sabbath.” 15 But the Lord replied, “You hypocrites! Each of you works on the Sabbath day! Don’t you untie your ox or your donkey from its stall on the Sabbath and lead it out for water? 16 This dear woman, a daughter of Abraham, has been held in bondage by Satan for eighteen years. Isn’t it right that she be released, even on the Sabbath?” 17 This shamed his enemies, but all the people rejoiced at the wonderful things he did.
John 7:23 Verse Concepts
"If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?
Mark 3:4
And He said to them, "Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to kill?" But they kept silent.
originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
I see you continue to choose to gloss over the fact that all of those verses claim that it was part of the Old Covenant that God made with them at that time.
originally posted by: Malisa
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Malisa
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Malisa
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
I did not look up what "The Lords" day is or what it meants
I just wanted to ask about something here, why are you giving it such importance that you try to enforce it on other people, when it is, like most of other things in religion, something that normal humans decided to observe?
Hear me out, who said this was something actually required by God? I did not think God had a preference for days or followed a human made calendar? As it is, it doesn't make any sense to me why this day is more important than any other day, dates are a human made thing!
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Either one believes it is the Word of God, or they do not. God spake clearly to the prophet Isaiah if you do not agree with the law, if you do not agree with His Word, it is because you have no light in you.
If they don't agree with me they are evil?
That's some loving God that created me then LMFAO!
I don't think you understand the concept of a all-loving God, you only understand the concept of how God must behave in accordance to human beliefs
You are looking at things from inside the picture that was drawn for you by another human. You are conditioned to think anyone who doesn't agree is automatically bad. This is simple black or white attitude. That concept of black or white is not something a God would consider. Can you see the flaw in that statement? It points to it being written by egotistic humans and not God.
In other words, you are forcing your concept of God into us, without even knowing God yourself in the first place. Think
Too bad
Yes, actually, if you don't agree with God, you are evil. If you don't agree with what He is saying, you agree with what Satan is saying. He is all-knowing. You are a finite being, in a fallen world.
Oh dude, you can't grasp it at all
God is not black or white, how did you happen to miss this all your life? That's how a human thinks, a controlling one.
You are lost now, so sorry for you
You are basically acting like the people that crucified Jesus and think that's all cool and pure and it will gain you God's favor.. LMFAO!
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
All around the world Christians are being taught Jesus defended breaking the Sabbath. He did NOT do this. Jesus did NOT defend breaking the law of God, He did NOT defend sin. He was TEACHING what IS appropriate on the Holy Sabbath Day, in the same way He taught that ADULTERY condemned wicked heart actions. Their outward observance of the Sabbath with overly strict laws was condemned. If you honestly believe that healing someone on the Sabbath means it's okay to break the Sabbath, they you are entirely misunderstanding the Sabbath commandment.
By the way, John 7:23 literally proves, they kept the Law of Moses (circumcision) on the Sabbath (the law of God). Jesus literally separates the two right in front of people, and they do not see it.
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Malisa
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Malisa
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Malisa
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
I did not look up what "The Lords" day is or what it meants
I just wanted to ask about something here, why are you giving it such importance that you try to enforce it on other people, when it is, like most of other things in religion, something that normal humans decided to observe?
Hear me out, who said this was something actually required by God? I did not think God had a preference for days or followed a human made calendar? As it is, it doesn't make any sense to me why this day is more important than any other day, dates are a human made thing!
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Either one believes it is the Word of God, or they do not. God spake clearly to the prophet Isaiah if you do not agree with the law, if you do not agree with His Word, it is because you have no light in you.
If they don't agree with me they are evil?
That's some loving God that created me then LMFAO!
I don't think you understand the concept of a all-loving God, you only understand the concept of how God must behave in accordance to human beliefs
You are looking at things from inside the picture that was drawn for you by another human. You are conditioned to think anyone who doesn't agree is automatically bad. This is simple black or white attitude. That concept of black or white is not something a God would consider. Can you see the flaw in that statement? It points to it being written by egotistic humans and not God.
In other words, you are forcing your concept of God into us, without even knowing God yourself in the first place. Think
Too bad
Yes, actually, if you don't agree with God, you are evil. If you don't agree with what He is saying, you agree with what Satan is saying. He is all-knowing. You are a finite being, in a fallen world.
Oh dude, you can't grasp it at all
God is not black or white, how did you happen to miss this all your life? That's how a human thinks, a controlling one.
You are lost now, so sorry for you
You are basically acting like the people that crucified Jesus and think that's all cool and pure and it will gain you God's favor.. LMFAO!
You are deceived by Satan if you do not have a clear concept of right and wrong, and think there is no standard which God upholds. Yes, everything is black and white, whether we understand where the line is drawn or not.
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
Nehemiah was not a Christian so had to live under the law
Stop preaching Judaism at me, I am a christian under Christ’s covenant
I am not a Jew
You can’t answer my simple questions so stop acting like you know everything
What have I failed to answer?
By the way, 1 Corinthians 6:10 doesn't defend lawless behaviour. Having all things being lawful to us, does not mean that murder and theft are now lawful for the Christian.
originally posted by: EasternShadow
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
All around the world Christians are being taught Jesus defended breaking the Sabbath. He did NOT do this. Jesus did NOT defend breaking the law of God, He did NOT defend sin. He was TEACHING what IS appropriate on the Holy Sabbath Day, in the same way He taught that ADULTERY condemned wicked heart actions. Their outward observance of the Sabbath with overly strict laws was condemned. If you honestly believe that healing someone on the Sabbath means it's okay to break the Sabbath, they you are entirely misunderstanding the Sabbath commandment.
By the way, John 7:23 literally proves, they kept the Law of Moses (circumcision) on the Sabbath (the law of God). Jesus literally separates the two right in front of people, and they do not see it.
Teaching and healing is not I understand to be resting.
Colossians 2:16-17
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
Your works, your personal righteous efforts are useless and worth nothing
Only faith and grace in Christ will make you acceptable to God
You sound like a banging gong or clashing symbol
originally posted by: EasternShadow
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
All around the world Christians are being taught Jesus defended breaking the Sabbath. He did NOT do this. Jesus did NOT defend breaking the law of God, He did NOT defend sin. He was TEACHING what IS appropriate on the Holy Sabbath Day, in the same way He taught that ADULTERY condemned wicked heart actions. Their outward observance of the Sabbath with overly strict laws was condemned. If you honestly believe that healing someone on the Sabbath means it's okay to break the Sabbath, they you are entirely misunderstanding the Sabbath commandment.
By the way, John 7:23 literally proves, they kept the Law of Moses (circumcision) on the Sabbath (the law of God). Jesus literally separates the two right in front of people, and they do not see it.
Teaching and healing is not I understand to be resting.
Colossians 2:16-17
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
Nehemiah was not a Christian so had to live under the law
Stop preaching Judaism at me, I am a christian under Christ’s covenant
I am not a Jew
You can’t answer my simple questions so stop acting like you know everything
What have I failed to answer?
By the way, 1 Corinthians 6:10 doesn't defend lawless behaviour. Having all things being lawful to us, does not mean that murder and theft are now lawful for the Christian.
I didn’t say lawlessness was acceptable, I am not preaching antonomianism. Christians are not Jews, we are not under the Mosaic covenant
Is stealing ok to feed those dying of starvation? Not for you, let the sick and poor die so you can be acceptable for God. Even Jesus worked on the sabath to heal, you condemn Him like the Pharisees condemned Jesus
I don’t abide by laws that are exclusive of love
I am not a Jew, everyday is the Lords day, not just the one you want
If you want to keep the laws that’s fine, exclude me, I have a valid theology that allows me to
Yours is not compatible so stop forcing your opinion on me, it’s not love, it’s legalism.
Jesus ended religion
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
Your works, your personal righteous efforts are useless and worth nothing
Only faith and grace in Christ will make you acceptable to God
You sound like a banging gong or clashing symbol
originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
You must read the entirety of the commandment, not only part of it.
Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
"To keep it holy" literally shows the very purpose of the Sabbath. It is a holy day of rest for mankind away from secular duties and activities. Church, Teaching, and even doing the miracle of healing, loosing someone from the bonds of Satan, is part of keeping the day holy. You are interpreting the Sabbath just like the Pharisees of old, instead of the way that Christ Jesus did it Himself.