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Does the Left oppose Trump's Deportations of those who have exhausted their immigration cases?

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posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 11:30 AM
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Now that ICE is out and about collecting those people who have ignored their final Deportation orders, do those on the left still support those people?

They have had their day in immigration court, lost, appealed that ruling and lost again, and are to be deported.

Our system has ruled they need to leave the US and go back to their home countries and they have refused. Now they are getting forcibly removed from the US by ICE.

Do Democrats and The Left support deporting those who have had their day in court and lost or are they just truly for open borders? BTW, most of these final Deportation orders started under the big bad Obama Administration, not bad Orange Man.

Let's hear what you have to say Democrat leaning members of ATS?




posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: pavil

Not a dem but do lean left on many issues. As far as deporting those people I totally support it. I also support securing our borders.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: pavil

Not a dem but do lean left on many issues. As far as deporting those people I totally support it. I also support securing our borders.



Thank you for the reply, didn't put in Mudpit, we will see how long decorum lasts, LOL.


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posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 11:41 AM
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The left support opposing Trump, the issue is irrelevant.

If Trump really wanted to get rid of illegals all he would have to do is say he supports them and the control left would have them rounded up in a week.
The mental gymnastics, self delusions and outright lies they tell to keep the fires of Trump hate burning are absolutely incredible



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: pavil

Depends what you mean by "left". You really shouldn't lump everyone together, as many moderate-left dem voters are not for open borders, or unrestricted immigration.

Just as you shouldn't lump ppl such as myself, a huge believer in the constitution, and the country/freedoms it protects, with white supremacists.

To answer your question, the lefty socialism pushing lunitic fringe the candidates are pandering to, do not differentiate between legal, illegal, criminal, etc.

To them it's about votes, power, and undermining constitutionally protected freedoms, so that "big brother" (who knows what's best for us all) can redistribute wealth, primarily to themselves, through big government social programs.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 12:37 PM
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They disagree because of one word that begins with a T .


Which also happens to be the entire democratic political position on everything for the last two years .
edit on 14-7-2019 by Fallingdown because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

What? How can you lean left but also support securing the border? According to this place that's impossible! Are you from another dimension where people treat things on a case by case basis? Madness!



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
The left support opposing Trump, the issue is irrelevant.


This statement is correct. Except for one part. For me at least, it isn't Trump.

It's you.

It's every person on ATS and in real life that naively believes they can trust the government because Donald Trump, of all people, is President. It's the people who bend over backward to rationalize obvious lies and try to normalize doing so. It's an insult to anyone with the slightest shred of free thinking intelligence.

I could never in a million years lump myself in with people like that. On any issue. Maybe you all need to take a good look in the mirror and think about the real reason people have a problem with your blind allegiance to a con man.

Hint: it isn't the con man.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: pavil




They have had their day in immigration court, lost, appealed that ruling and lost again, and are to be deported.

I'm center.
I got no problem with it.

I'm not even sure why ether side was making such a big deal out of this. 2000 people across many cities. That's nothing.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: pavil

I guess that depends on who you're defining as "The Left." I would bet my lifetime earnings against a single dollar that some support, and some oppose.

We should stop trying to lump nearly half of the country in with the 0.25% loudest and craziest Democrats and Republicans. Playing into the hands of the dialectics of the puppet masters is silly.

ETA: Wow, I replied after reading the OP, then read from bottom up and saw I'm far from the only one who's tired of people being so stupid and lumping each other in with the small minority of crazies. Maybe if the "middle 99.5% would wake up, and speak up, the whole country would realize they're being conned by the D's and R's.
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posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Nobody said to trust the Govt.
The OP asked about supporting the law requiring people who have been ordered deported being taken into custody and removed from the country.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: pavil

This is really going to backfire on the leftist politicians.

Most people think criminals with active warrants should be deported.

Those that don't?

Well, it's not like they favor anything FOR America anyway.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: pavil

This is really going to backfire on the leftist politicians.

Most people think criminals with active warrants should be deported.

Those that don't?

Well, it's not like they favor anything FOR America anyway.



Amen to that! If the anti-American Dems in Congress think what they're seeing in the news is representative of The People as a whole, its not. There are people trying to make it that way, and might well succeed in a couple generations if things go the wrong way, but it will absolutely backfire.

Me, I guess I'm party-affiliation agnostic. The Bushes made me think I was a Dem, Clinton and Obama made me think I was a Republican. Finally realized neither party cares much for the American People, the USA, or the Constitution.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Fine and dandy. Are you in support of removing people who have ignored their final Deportation orders? There are at least around a Million of those people who have been ruled on by the immigration courts already. The actual number will probably be much higher.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff
Yep if Trumps said all the gate crashers get in free and we are registering them a Repubics the left would be at the border stooping this in a heart beat.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: pavil




They have had their day in immigration court, lost, appealed that ruling and lost again, and are to be deported.

I'm center.
I got no problem with it.

I'm not even sure why ether side was making such a big deal out of this. 2000 people across many cities. That's nothing.

A Trump administration official confirmed Tuesday that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will specifically target for deportation as many as 1 million people “who have been issued final deportation orders by federal judges yet remain at large in the country.”


Source

It's over a million total and the number will just increase as the immigration courts clear their backlogs thanks to Trump getting more immigration judges and courts.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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The absurdity of the illegal immigration matter is mind boggling.

People would do well to remember that with so many people in the system it is the people that have done things the correct way that get the short straw, why bother with a criminal back ground check, a medical report and proof of education when you can roll in and have people openly support the fact that you have made it to a country illegally...

I have also been to enough countries to know that the west in general is by far the most welcoming of migrants, some of the things that have happened in the USA with the border crisis would be laughable in many locations around the globe.. Of course you do not allow undocumented aliens in, that is tick box one of "how to maintain security of one's country.com".


The liberal view of everyone sitting around a camp fire eating middle eastern peace crisps is a pipe dream, yes good people want in and are no doubt there already but just as many people want in to take advantage of the system and the that is why the vetting process is there....



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: dogstar23

Such is modern politics in America.

All the Democratic Candidates for President seem to be in that .25% you speak of. That's why it's such a big dividing issue.

Name one leading Democrat that is calling for stronger controls of our border and enforcing of current immigration laws? Any Democrat for more Wall funding?

Their so-called solutions for stopping the flow of illegals entering the US are hypothetical at best and laughable in reality. A virtual border will stop illegals from crossing as well as porn sites asking your age stops teenagers from looking.



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: pavil



Deportations have always been a contested practice. Conservative and right-wing actors have insisted that carrying out deportations is essential for state sovereignty and application of authority. Simultaneously, by taking to the streets civil society, citizens and asylum seekers alike have practiced resistance against deportations in the form of demonstrations, petitions, blockages or hunger strikes. Their anti-deportation protests either claim the right to stay in general or focus exclusively on an acquainted person – like a neighbor or school mate – who is about to be deported. Protests against deportations are sometimes successful by stopping specific deportations; overall, they are also shaping the discourse.

At the beginning of May, the town of Ellwangen, Germany rose to fame when police forcefully deported a Togolese man from an accommodation for asylum seekers. The deportation followed an unsuccessful attempt a few days before, which was disrupted by fellow residents and initially prevented the man from being deported. The events leading to the deportation were portrayed differently: Politicians framed the situation as violent and dangerous, resulting in a second attempt that included an increased police force. However, the asylum seekers at the accommodation stress that their action was a peaceful act of civil disobedience, and that the situation was not at all what police and politicians claimed it to be, as German newspapers taz and Die Zeit report. Certainly, the case of Ellwangen has brought back public attention to deportations and protests against them. However, it is only one example of anti-deportation protests by asylum seekers. Germany has a long tradition of self-organized protests; most recently, other such protests took place in Osnabrück, Berlin (Oranienplatz) or Hamburg. Equally important, civil society and ordinary citizens have taken to the streets by forming solidary protests.

blog.prif.org...

I wouldn't be surprised if anti-deportation protesters would be the next Antifa you guys label terrorists.

This is about human rights, nothing else. Deportations do jacksh!t to secure borders btw, get your strawman arguments in order?



posted on Jul, 14 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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The far left doesn't care what any of these people did. It's a potential voting pool of voters who they hope to give voting rights to so that they will then vote for them.

BUT. They are also taking the moderate Democrat voter for granted as a steady vote no matter how far left they go, and no matter who they are trying to get as a voting pool.

In my opinion, this is a drastic and catastrophic mistake, one that they may pay for in 2020.

BIG TIME PAY FOR.

Fred..



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