Trying to resolve 9/11

a reply to: neutronflux

The first report of a partial building collapse was about 1:12:40 with no reports of explosions. Is that false.

The report of a partial building collapse at 1:12:40 is correct. If explosives where used is undetermined from this brief message over the radio.

For Tower Two, you mean like an AC unit letting loose in a fire and exploding? Or a transformer, or electrical switch gear arch flashing? Or just the collapsing floors pushing out air and the fire out with it?

The message at 1:13:30 does report a major explosion. If you want to interpret that in a way that fits your understanding that is fine. I think it is a great job you are doing in challenging the events that day. This stuff is important.

a reply to: kwakakev

Expect there is no physical evidence of planted charges cutting columns......

It’s recorded that the vertical columns fell last.



Seems like this has repeatedly been posted.

Major explosion wrongly perceived from the confusion of the moment? Explosion from what? Pressurized systems letting loose in a fire?

a reply to: kwakakev

Might read through this..
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: democracydemo

See your pushing your old manufactured evidence. You are falsely pushing sounds of fire and building collapse that has nothing to do with charges cutting columns. Your narrative in not supported by the seismic and physical evidence.

Again...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: democracydemo

Again with your recoding.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

You created your own “evidence”.
Now again... "I counted them on the video did i not?"
Is that after your claim you tweaked the audio? So you are manipulating the sound? Where, if the “explosions” actually had the force to cut steel columns, the detonations would be clear, obvious, and would have echoed about manhattan. Let’s say you claim eight loud bangs that are expected from any large building fire, or from a structure failing by overloading. Eight bangs who’s audio you manipulated, is that false?

Tweaked and manipulated the sound...oh sweet baby Jeesus.

Tell you what

1.Download the original Huibregtse clip:
archive.org...

2.Get a decent Audio Editor (i use WavePad)

3.Since explosive detonations create low frequencies this is where you want to concentrate on. So a Band-Pass filter must be used.
See where i whipped mine: 96-169Hz
Essentially this operation disregards the helicopter and random street noise, leaving the juicy bits.

4. Report back if your results vary.

Don’t have too. Your created evidence and frequencies are not reflected in the seismic data for detentions with the force to cut steel columns. By frequency, how can you tell if a fire cracker sets off vs a pressurized air conditioning unit exploding in a fire. Other then the ac unit exploding would be more forceful. Again, nobody is say there were no explosions. But, keep on making your own reality.

And the whole argument.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

With ease:

The same old out of context with no attempt at quantification argument.

Nobody disagrees there was explosions from closed pressurized systems like refrigeration units and air conditioning units cutting loose in the fires. And nobody disagrees there wasn’t a pop when floor connections failed as in WTC 5 being an example.


A detonation that makes a transient pressure wave in the atmosphere where the pressure wave has the force to cut steel columns is entirely different.

And your easily debunked again.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: democracydemo

You didn’t hit a nerve with me. You created your own “evidence”.

Now again...

I counted them on the video did i not?

Is that after your claim you tweaked the audio? So you are manipulating the sound? Where, if the “explosions” actually had the force to cut steel columns, the detonations would be clear, obvious, and would have echoed about manhattan.

Let’s say you claim eight loud bangs that are expected from any large building fire, or from a structure failing by overloading.

Eight bangs who’s audio you manipulated, is that false?

Next, there is no way CD systems would survive the jet impacts and fires to initiate collapse on the floors impacted by the jets as attested to by the video evidence.

Next you claim:

Nature of material used to cut core colums (Nano-thermite anyone)?

If you are saying nano-thermite cut the columns by shockwave, it still would have to create a pressure wave to cut the columns. The energy created by that shockwave is still going to produce audible energy of at least 130 dB.

If you are saying thermite cut the core columns, then why is the no visible white hot sparking from the WTC video evidence. Why would there be “explosive” sounds. Thermite burns relatively slow. Why is there no glowing metal from the collapse video?



Next. You.

Would, lets say, a normal shaped cutting charges even leave this evidence in the first place? Provide evidence for your claim!

But you are not claiming shape cutting charges are you?

You claim eight explosions from the video you “tweaked”?

I did some tinkering with the original video/audio and ended up with this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh. Sorry. You tinkered. Nice that you “tinkered” to create your “evidence” that should be obvious.

Anyway.

You again.

Would, lets say, a normal shaped cutting charges even leave this evidence in the first place? Provide evidence for your claim!

Let’s say you claimed eight loud bands you
Tinkered into “evidence”.

You claim eight cutting charges? Well, flight 175 probably took out about 7 core columns, and the tower did not fall.

Some estimates are more than 7 core columns taken out by Flight 175, with no serious consideration the tower would have collapsed from the jet impact.

That indicates your eight supposed “explosions” could not be cutting charges on individual core columns to take out enough of the 44 core columns to initiate collapse. For you fantasy to work, the supposed explosives would had to be wide area in nature. Not eight shape charges only taking out eight columns. Explosions that would need to take out multiple core columns with each detonation. Explosions that would look like the one event that is known to have taken out 7 core columns, and produced a seismic event of .7 magnitude.




Again. CD systems would not have survived the jet impacts and fires to initiate collapse of the twin towers as attested to by video evidence.

You are falsely confusing expect sounds of “explosions” from a building fire, and expected from a building failing from being overloaded.

You have produced no evidence of explosions with the force to cut steel columns. Explosions that would be obvious, awe inspiring, and echoed about manhattan.
Very similar to the explosive sounds starting around 4:14 mark of the FDR drive video

18 Views of "Plane Impact" in South Tower | 9/11 World Trade Center [HD DOWNLOAD]
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How far is FDR drive fromWTC 2?

But you only have audio you “tinkered” with from expected normal building fires, or sounds from a building being overloaded.

You cannot produce physical evidence of columns cut by pyrotechnics. Especially when the truth movement claims the resistance of each floor had to be removed by removing the structural steel of each floor.

Might read through this..

The whole thing reads like you are still caught in the burning building. Glad you are ok.

a reply to: kwakakev

Five to one, baby
One in five
No one here gets out alive,

genius.com...

You guys argue over trivial points.

In the end it doesn't matter because it was a nuclear event.

A new witness has provided a new account of events.

Tom Hosey now retired worked as a commercial moving contractor in the past and was selected and hired by WTC management to remove many mainframe computers systems from inside the towers before the shutdown of power during the weekend before 9/11. His qualification and background here make’s his story very persuasive!

He claims the week before 9/11, trucks belonging to "Moishe moving systems, a company based in New York, had parked outside loading bays at WTC7 and the Twin Towers.

Mr Hosey says he was inside the Twin towers the week before the attack doing work. And he heard a very loud noise vibrating around the building. He went to have a look and walked towards a security door and went in. He says inside the room, it was empty of office equipment, and tenant furnishings- says inside the room there was many men dressed in blue jumpsuits using jackhammers and heavy equipment drilling the wall and dust wa flying everywhere. He witnessed cable wiring installation. He asked some old guy in the room who got shocked he was there" what you guys doing?- the same guy with a foreign accent turned around and said what you doing here get out this is a restricted security area. He left then. He saw one of the blue jumpsuit guys sitting in a truck at the loading bay and went over to him and asked whos your employer? Reply was told to mind his own business.
Mr Hosey suspected them. Moishe is a non union company and unlikely hired to work here. Hosey says you have to show security/union badges and ID to pass WTC security and this non union company should not be there working never mind drilling out/internal walls.

I have been doing some research and Moishe moving systems could be a spy/front holding company for Israeli intelligence.
The Ower of Urban moving systems ( of dancing Israelis fame) worked for Moishe moving systems in the late 90s.

Interview here with more information.
soundcloud.com...#

a reply to: Hulseyreport

What does that have with zero evidence of columns cut by pyrotechnics.

You

says inside the room there was many men dressed in blue jumpsuits using jackhammers and heavy equipment drilling the wall and dust wa flying everywhere.

Yea....

The buildings were steel framed, with no concrete load bearing columns.

You don’t use jack hammers to jack hammer into steel. The story is total BS.

A New York City Firefighter Remembers 9/11 - Part 1 | Miracle Detectives | The Oprah Winfrey Network


Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

These videos share the testimony from one of the surviving fire fighters that day. It does not cover how the towers fell. He does talk about his experiences and what he witnessed that day. A sense of divine protection from god helps with how he continues with it.

a reply to: neutronflux

Or jackhammers were used to remove the fireproofing material covering the columns/beams.

The fireproofing material used to protect the structural members has been identified by Silverstein Properties as “Monokote.” The Port Authority informed the BPS Team that New York City Building Code Construction Classification 1B (2-hour rating for beams, girders, trusses, and 3-hour rating for columns) was specified for WTC 7 in accordance with the architectural specifications on the construction notes drawing PA-O. According to the Port Authority, the construction notes on drawing PA-O also specified the following:

•Exterior wall columns (columns engaged in masonry walls) shall be fireproofed on the exterior side with 2-inch solid gypsum, 3-inch hollow gypsum, 2-inch concrete or spray-on fireproofing.

•Interior columns shall be fireproofed with materials and have rating conforming with Section C26-313.3 (27-269 current section).

• Beams and girders shall be fireproofed with 2-inch grade Portland cement concrete, Gritcrete, or srpay-on fireproofing or other materials rendering a 2-hour fire rating.

The Port Authority stated that it believed the thickness of the spray-on fireproofing was determined by the fireproofing trade for the specific structural sections used, based on the Underwriters Laboratories formula for modifications, which were reviewed by the Architect/Engineer of Record during the shop drawing submittal. Spray-on fireproofing, as required by the code, was also listed on the drawing as an item subject to controlled inspections, in accordance with Section C26-106.3 (27-132 current section). The Architect/Engineer of Record was responsible for ensuring that the proper thickness was applied. The Port Authority had extended its fireproofing inspection program to this building.

www.fema.gov... Pages 5-11 and 5-12.

a reply to: democracydemo

That’s for you to decide.

As far as jackhammers. The more effective and efficient means of removing insulation would be by air chisels, Air scrappers, needle guns. Or even media/ CO2 ice / sand blasting.

Or just large passenger jets hitting the structures.

Ironton 42in. Long Reach Air Scraper

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Or the fire insulation was just defective.

There were problems with the fireproofing in the World Trade Towers that may have rendered them vulnerable to fire. These problems are not unique to the WTC; I have observed similar problems with the fireproofing in many high-rise buildings in the United States and Europe.
www.fireengineering.com...

a reply to: neutronflux

Hey Neutron

Here is account by George Sleigh, a marine engineer at American Bureau of Shipping, was on the 91 floor, the highest floor where people were able to escape from

Sleigh was able to view the underside of the floor able

After the impact, he got out from the rubble of ceiling tiles and debris around his desk, looked up and saw exposed steel beams and the concrete underside of the 92nd floor. He didn’t know it at the time, but that concrete floor was the bottom of a tomb for more than 1,300 people. Nobody survived on the floors above him. The line between life and death that morning was as straight as a steel beam.

Exposed steel beams ……….

Field McConnell - Amalgam Virgo - Global Guardian - The "Grey Area"


The is a short 6 minute video by Field McConnell, an Airforce pilot. It details some of the military operations happening on 9/11 and how they relate to previous military exercises. It also includes some of the events that happened at the Pentagon. Captian Gerald F. DeConto died while on the phone trying to get authorization to attack against an imminent attack.

a reply to: kwakakev

“ Captian Gerald F. DeConto died while on the phone trying to get authorization to attack against an imminent attack.” In the crash at the pentagon....

www.arlingtoncemetery.net...

a reply to: neutronflux

Nitpicking on tools used.

You have a WTC7 worker Tom Hosey witnessing people in "blue jumpsuits using jackhammers and heavy equipment drilling the wall and dust wa flying everywhere. He witnessed cable wiring installation."

This is not BS is it? Tom really worked at WTC7?

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

Nitpicking on tools used.

You have a WTC7 worker Tom Hosey witnessing people in "blue jumpsuits using jackhammers and heavy equipment drilling the wall and dust wa flying everywhere. He witnessed cable wiring installation."

This is not BS is it? Tom really worked at WTC7?

No. The right fool for the right job. And jackhammers are not used to drill into steel. Drills are used to drill into steel. Jackhammers are used to bust block, concrete, and asphalt. Jackhammers are made to be heavy and made to place force straight down. Not horizontally. There was no load bearing concrete columns in the twin towers, or WTC 7 as far I know. Can you cite any?

Cable wiring installed. Like data and communication lines.

a reply to: neutronflux

Still nitpicking on tools used!

What do we know about Tom Hosey and his claim!

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

Still nitpicking on tools used!

What do we know about Tom Hosey and his claim!

The individual found people installing data line in a small section of the building where he didn’t have the proper PPE on for the dusty environment? Hence the concern why he shouldn’t be there. And didn’t know a jackhammer from a hole in the ground.

Please go on with the stupidity.

a reply to: democracydemo

You know you can remodel a building, and upgrade Its infrastructure without a nefarious act. Happens 1000s of time each day.

a reply to: neutronflux

Please go on with the stupidity.

What of Tom Hosey?